We asked Elon Musk's Grok whether its new logo is a broken cross. Here’s what the AI chatbot told us

Andiamo · Jan 21, 2025

To me it just looks like the logo designer tried to make it looks like an “X” an “A” and an “I” for “XAI.” But who knows.

1LoverofGod · Jan 21, 2025

Andiamo said:
To me it just looks like the logo designer tried to make it looks like an “X” an “A” and an “I” for “XAI.” But who knows.

I think the reason for some questioning what that logo represents and how some have taken time to examine it's appearance and "think" it's likely a broken cross, comes from first, Musk has a rather sinister way about him, and when he's been asked whether he's a Christian, his response was that he might consider himself to be a "cultural Christian", meaning he likes some things about Christianity that makes for a "good culture", but doesn't consider himself as a real Christian.

Now this is where it goes deep....

Scrolling down the link from the original OP you will see a photo of him sporting a Halloween Costume. That sparked a lot of negativity from the Christian community.

To get the story behind that criticism here's the original story about that costume which represents
"the Baphomet"

The original article from when Musk wore that costume
part 2..........

What's the deal with Elon Musk and the 'Devil's Champion' costume? (part 2)

What's the deal with Elon Musk and the 'Devil's Champion' costume? (part 2)

When the world s richest man dons a costume named after the Prince of Darkness, it s inevitable that controversy will follow

www.christianpost.com

What's the history behind Baphomet?
From Got Questions website.....

Baphomet is the name of a false god associated in times past with the Knights Templar and today with Satanism and the occult. Modern representations of Baphomet picture it with a goat’s head on a human body (with both male and female traits); between the goat’s horns is a torch, and the image often includes a pentagram. The origin of Baphomet-worship is subject to much debate. Even the origins of the word Baphomet are unknown. Some believe it is a French corruption of Mahomet (“Muhammad”). Others believe it to be a code from Kabbalah meaning “the father of the temple of peace of all men.” Or the Arabic word for “the father of understanding.” Or, finally, the Jewish Atbash cipher as applied to Sophia—the Greek goddess of wisdom.

However its name came to be, Baphomet apparently arrived in Europe with the Knights Templar upon their return to France from the Crusades. In the early 1300s, the Inquisitors of King Philip IV accused the Knights of discovering and worshiping the foreign god Baphomet during the war. Some Knights did confess, but only under torture, and the convicted gave different accounts of the idol’s form: it had one face, it had three faces, it was just a human skull, it looked like a cat. Worshiping an image of an animal or man presumed to be Muhammad is inconsistent with Islam, but it would match the misinformed beliefs about Islam found in France at the time. In addition, there is no mention of Baphomet in Templar literature. Attempts have also been made to link Baphomet to Free Masonry, but these accusations are either inconclusive or complete fabrications.

The modern representation of Baphomet originated in 1861 with the French occultist Eliphas Levi, who drew an image of the “Sabbatic Goat or Baphomet of Mendes” in his book Dogme et Rituel de la Haute Magie (Dogmas and Rituals of High Magic). Levi’s image is a hermaphroditic figure, sitting cross-legged, with the head of a goat. The figure contains several opposites: one male arm and one female, women’s breasts but a Caduceus phallic symbol, one arm pointed up at a white moon and the other pointed down at a dark moon. The contrasts were to symbolize conflicting forces in the universe that must be balanced to make true light. Levi meant to combine several icons: the Templar figure; Satan; the fertility god-goat of Mendes, Egypt; and the goat that witches supposedly worship at their Sabbats, or pagan holidays. The goat-like appearance of Baphomet also resembles Pan, Puck, and the Celtic Cernunnos. Levi claimed the name Baphomet came from reading the Latin abbreviation for “the father of the temple of universal peace among men” backwards.

In 1897 Stanislas de Gauaita adapted the head of Levi’s Sabbatic Goat to fit inside a pentagram. De Gauaita’s version of Baphomet included an upside-down, five-pointed star surrounded by two circles. Between the circles are five Hebrew letters, one on each point of the star, spelling the Hebrew word for “Leviathan.” Around the arms of the star on the top is the name Samael, the angel of death in Talmudic lore; and on the bottom, Lilith, a female demon who was Adam’s first wife according to pagan beliefs. In 1969 Anton LaVey adopted the pentagram goat for his Church of Satan and definitively identified it with Baphomet.

Aleister Crowley, the occultist and magician of the late 19th to mid-20th century, interpreted Baphomet as the “divine androgyne.” Crowley rejected the concepts of the biblical God and Satan and followed the Gnostic teaching that Satan brought wisdom to mankind—that old lie of the serpent in the garden. Baphomet was his symbol and represented life, love, and light. With the addition of the Zodiac sign Capricorn (the goat), liberty is added.

The myth of Baphomet has grown over the last few centuries via occult symbolism and numerology. Christians should obviously avoid the use of Baphomet; the ideas it represents are patently unbiblical. It is the Lord God alone who gives wisdom (Proverbs 2:6), and to seek for wisdom or enlightenment from a source other than God is to be led astray: “The idols speak deceitfully, diviners see visions that lie; they tell dreams that are false” (Zechariah 10:2). We should have nothing to do with Baphomet or other blatantly occult icons. As Joshua told the Israelites who were inheriting the land of Canaan, “Do not associate with these nations that remain among you; do not invoke the names of their gods or swear by them. You must not serve them or bow down to them” (Joshua 23:7).

Who/what is Baphomet? | GotQuestions.org

Who/what is Baphomet? Is Baphomet a representation of Satan? Does anyone actually believe in a god named Baphomet?

www.gotquestions.org

mattfivefour · Jan 22, 2025

He's a brilliant man. But I really don't know that I trust him. I guess it's wait and see. I believe if he's sinister God will reveal it to us.

Tall Timbers · Jan 22, 2025

Andiamo said:
To me it just looks like the logo designer tried to make it looks like an “X” an “A” and an “I” for “XAI.” But who knows.

Yeah, me too.

1LoverofGod · Jan 22, 2025

mattfivefour said:
He's a brilliant man. But I really don't know that I trust him. I guess it's wait and see. I believe if he's sinister God will reveal it to us.

I agree. We are not in darkness and we have The Holy Spirit in us Who will reveal to us things that are of dark nature.

For myself in seeing sinister in Musk I see it just in his thoughts about how he thinks transhumanism is a good thing. He's very supportive of merging man with machine and is what his Neuralink program is being used for but while saying it's to help people with paralysis which may sound okay but in reality where does it go in the long term and what is the ultimate goal and how far does it go in allowing AI to have control over the mind and body?
Thinking on those terms is petty sinister unless it's otherwise proven that his intent isn't going against God's design for humans.

TCC · Jan 22, 2025

Thanks 1Lover for posting the Musk article along with backdrop to Baphamet. I remember when he wore that suite and all the news came out. I believe it is extremely helpful what the Babylon Bee had to say about it. I like the Bee but don't exactly trust their energy as necessarily Christian organically. For a while they ended their interviews with a public opportunity to receive Christ. But doing so publically like that I believe helped them to understand it might have trended to turn a gospel call into commercial marketing. After a while they took a different approach, from what I understand, in how they would conclude their interviews. I think their humor and cultural conscience in general has been helpful though.

And I would say that the Bee's take on Musk's trolling is accurate. I see that as a very helpful sense to the the backdrop on that. One thing differently, I guess ironically to go with a "DOGE" tone is that I remember Musk putting out a post of how much it cost to rent the costume--which seemed to be what he did. Much much less than the sticker price.

With that being said by the Bee, of course, yes, seeing how things are trending toward a tribulation age I think is a helpful heads up. What I remember about 2020 is how believers came to attest that it seems like "end times" revealing and disclosure to this world is like its in slow motion compared to how we might have thought. From biblical statements like "sudden destruction will come upon them," might have led us to believe that the whole world (except believers) would be caught off guard (like never seeing it coming). And that end times would be a surprise perhaps seemingly out of nowhere. And I remember believers in 2020 saying that in comparison to a surprise, instead, it seems like it is leaking out in a more like, "time released" over period of time unveiling.

Perhaps our noticing this type of contrast in end time perspective (sudden vs. slow roll out), we might also note in that, that the ways we might be thinking perhaps on other apsects and features regarding end time perspective similarly could be unfolding before us differently than in ways how we had been thinking. In general, from what I have heard, a lot of believers are surprised we are still here at what seems like a late stage the church might have considered to have been raptured already out of. This awareness might also be helpful in considering some ways we might lean to track end times by and with.

From the article presented, I would see in that maybe is a sense of end time grammar. Or a sort of novelty writing on the wall, as it were. Like perhaps an endorcement from a Chrsitan "trolling" or ironic social commentator "The Babylon Bee," highlighting how a public figure like Musk (whom the Bee had interviewed before Twitter takeover) might also be thinking. In addition, that notion of trolling is something society has seen much of from Musk. And seems to be socially noticeable as an accurate way in which Musk relates.

. . . . .

So if Musk wearing the Baphamet costume is a troll, then perhaps other features recognized by the Bee could be helpful to consider as well.

"I think this was just an opportunity for him to troll, and I don't think that it's an indication that he's really an evil person trying to do evil things and convince us he's a good guy. "

I believe this is closer to likely. From general trends though it would seem many view him as evil pretending to be good. I would say that is a huge potential psyop we might even foist upon ourselves even. I have heard the mention of terms like black hats and white hats. And with that also the notion that that is just two sides of the same coin. As helpful as that might be to consider like that, I must say I am a bit surprised why there might not also be consideration for other ways of looking at the whole. For example, if I risk to telescope all the way out, black and white hats fade in a different sense. "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone" (Mark 10:18). Which presumes that the view of white/black hat is a mirage not because its too wings of the same bird, but because our eyes upon white/black hats identify ourselves as good. And if "trolling" is the ironic grammar served up to us in our age, there could be a potential we might also be trolling ourselves in all of that, perhaps.

Another comment in the article I found interesting too:

Regardless of whether Musk has an agenda, Hampton said, that doesn’t exclude him from potentially playing a prophetic role.

“Even if his intentions are good, some of the technology he develops could be used for evil — even possibly with the future mark of the beast,” he said.

I agree with this actually. Just left though with that out there in the wind like that might not be as helpful as to know maybe what to do with info like that. Our tendencies could be to immediately think: Therefore everything going on that relates to this might be evil, evil, evil. Not that we are saying that, but the concern of where to draw lines do tend to come into play. When confronted with this sort of thinking upon a host of issues in life, I am reminded of Titus 1:15 (however that might or might not resonate in our modern cultural perspectives--I believe it is healthy to consider how it might). In light of this, I tend to try and view the beaituful simplicity in realizing that as much as we might get wind of some things on their way to becoming what they will in the tribulation age, these are two completely separate ages.

Thank you 1Lover for the following: "Thinking on those terms is petty sinister unless it's otherwise proven that his intent isn't going against God's design for humans." I understand if the richest man in the world dresses up in a Baphomet suite and runs one of the biggest social media companies on earth while telling people (from years ago) that AI unchecked will likely ruin mankind. And Musk's solution be his brain chip so we can control AI, says he...lol. Which is pretty spooky. Amen. But I would beg to consider a little bit of a shift on how we might approach emphasis here. It is understandable we would want to see the most financially powerful man on earth head in a healthier direction, and have extreme concern where he might not. But I would suggest perhaps reversing the order of emphasis to seeing what good might come of Musk's presence while we are in the age of grace. The reason I might think of it in this order is because no matter how good anything is right now, in some way or another it all is steeped toward a tribulation age approaching. So for sure, if Musk is then alive and not a believer and raptured, unless he repents in being caught in the thrawls of the tribulation himself, he most certainly will use his power for evil, hands down, no questions asked. And with that is an absolute certain outcome (pending he becomes a believer). I believe the orientation toward the age of grace might be more preeminent than what things become in the tribulation. Because the age of grace is where we live now. And to whatever end the grace of God provides us with remaining in, might be used still for good.

If we are concerned with how things might go, we know it "all" goes bad. All of it. So, for me, in noticing that, I would just walk back the sense of certainty for from conclusion back to a place where instead, things have not perverted to a full extent yet. And see, while we are purgatorying (or hoovering over a brief closing in age of grace time) as it were, since we are in the age of grace still, what might be a best practices sense upon our age may not necessarily be what things surely become soon...as much as what use of things God permits in the age of grace on our way out. Kind of like a last moments of how to consider what use things in the age of grace might still hold value under Him currently who hold all things together (Col 1:17). Perhaps this might be the thing to covet. Or better, to cherish most. Since the age of grace values are fleeting, is spending those fleeting moments best spent in concerns of what they surely will become in the tribulation age, or what utility they now have in His here and now age of grace? If God uses secular players in some sense to be of benefit to the fleeting age of grace scenario, for us to consider more so how they might later be in the tribulation could tend to place our eyes upon a horizon that is certain but not yet here now. While in so doing, potentially missing on some levels the values things have now in comparison. If that might make sense?

In any event, thanks so much for this thread and your further details provided. Blessings.

1LoverofGod · Jan 22, 2025

TCC said:
Thanks 1Lover for posting the Musk article along with backdrop to Baphamet. I remember when he wore that suite and all the news came out. I believe it is extremely helpful what the Babylon Bee had to say about it. I like the Bee but don't exactly trust their energy as necessarily Christian organically. For a while they ended their interviews with a public opportunity to receive Christ. But doing so publically like that I believe helped them to understand it might have trended to turn a gospel call into commercial marketing. After a while they took a different approach, from what I understand, in how they would conclude their interviews. I think their humor and cultural conscience in general has been helpful though.

And I would say that the Bee's take on Musk's trolling is accurate. I see that as a very helpful sense to the the backdrop on that. One thing differently, I guess ironically to go with a "DOGE" tone is that I remember Musk putting out a post of how much it cost to rent the costume--which seemed to be what he did. Much much less than the sticker price.

With that being said by the Bee, of course, yes, seeing how things are trending toward a tribulation age I think is a helpful heads up. What I remember about 2020 is how believers came to attest that it seems like "end times" revealing and disclosure to this world is like its in slow motion compared to how we might have thought. From biblical statements like "sudden destruction will come upon them," might have led us to believe that the whole world (except believers) would be caught off guard (like never seeing it coming). And that end times would be a surprise perhaps seemingly out of nowhere. And I remember believers in 2020 saying that in comparison to a surprise, instead, it seems like it is leaking out in a more like, "time released" over period of time unveiling.

Perhaps our noticing this type of contrast in end time perspective (sudden vs. slow roll out), we might also note in that, that the ways we might be thinking perhaps on other apsects and features regarding end time perspective similarly could be unfolding before us differently than in ways how we had been thinking. In general, from what I have heard, a lot of believers are surprised we are still here at what seems like a late stage the church might have considered to have been raptured already out of. This awareness might also be helpful in considering some ways we might lean to track end times by and with.

From the article presented, I would see in that maybe is a sense of end grammar. Or a sort of novelty writing on the wall, as it were. Like perhaps an endorcement from a Chrsitan "trolling" or ironic social commentator "The Babylon Bee," highlighting how a public figure like Musk (whom the Bee had interviewed before Twitter takeover) might also be thinking. In addition, that notion of trolling is something society has seen much of from Musk. And seems to be socially noticeable as an accurate way in which Musk relates.

. . . . .

So if Musk wearing the Baphamet costume is a troll, then perhaps other features recognized by the Bee could be helpful to consider as well.

"I think this was just an opportunity for him to troll, and I don't think that it's an indication that he's really an evil person trying to do evil things and convince us he's a good guy. "

I believe this is closer to likely. From general trends though it would seem many view him as evil pretending to be good. I would say that is a huge potential psyop we might even foist upon ourselves even. I have heard the mention of terms like black hats and white hats. And with that also the notion that that is just two sides of the same coin. As helpful as that might be to consider like that, I must say I am a bit surprised why there might not also be consideration for other ways of looking at the whole. For example, if I risk to telescope all the way out, black and white hats fade in a different sense. "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone" (Mark 10:18). Which presumes that the view of white/black hat is a mirage not because its too wings of the same bird, but because our eyes upon white/black hats identify ourselves as good. And if "trolling" is the ironic grammar served up to us in our age, there could be a potential we might also be trolling ourselves in all of that, perhaps.

Another comment in the article I found interesting too:

Regardless of whether Musk has an agenda, Hampton said, that doesn’t exclude him from potentially playing a prophetic role.

“Even if his intentions are good, some of the technology he develops could be used for evil — even possibly with the future mark of the beast,” he said.

I agree with this actually. Just left though with that out there in the wind like that might not be as helpful as to know maybe what to do with info like that. Our tendencies could be to immediately think: Therefore everything going on that relates to this might be evil, evil, evil. Not that we are saying that, but the concern of where to draw lines to tend to come into play. When confronted with this sort of thinking upon a host of issues in life, I am reminded of Titus 1:15 (however that might or might not resonate in our modern cultural perspectives--I believe it is healthy to consider how it might). In light of this, I tend to try and view the beaituful simplicity in realizing that as much as we might get wind of some things on their way to becoming what they will in the tribulation age, these are two completely separate ages.

Thank you 1Lover for the following: "Thinking on those terms is petty sinister unless it's otherwise proven that his intent isn't going against God's design for humans." I understand if the richest man in the world dresses up in a Baphomet suite and runs one of the biggest social media companies on earth while telling people (from years ago) that AI unchecked will likely ruin mankind. And Musk's solution be his brain chip so we can control AI, says he...lol. Which is pretty spooky. Amen. But I would beg to consider a a little bit of a shift on how we might approach emphasis here. It is understandable we would want to see the most financnailly powerful man on earth head in a healthier direction, and have extreme concern where he might not. But I would suggest perhaps reversing the order of emphasis to seeing what good might come of Musk's presence while we are in the age of grace. The reason I might think of it in this order is because no matter how good anything is right now, in some way or another it all is steeped toward a tribulation age approaching. So for sure, if Musk is then alive and not a believer and raptured, unless he repents in being caught in the thrawls of the tribulation himself, he most certainly will use his power for evil, hands down, no questions asked. And with that is an absolute certain outcome (pending he becomes a believer) I believe the orientation toward the age of grace might be more preeminent than what things become in the tribulation. Because the age of grace is where we live now. And to whatever end the grace of God provides us with remaining in, might be used still for good.

If we are concerned with things might go, we know it "all" goes bad. All of it. So, for me, in noticing that, I would just walk back the sense of certainty for conclusion to a place where instead, things have not perverted to a full extent yet. And see, while we are purgatorying (or hoovering over a brief closing in age of grace time) as it were, since we are in the age of grace still, what might be a best practices sense upon our age may not necessarily be what things surely become soon...as much as what use of things God permits in the age of grace on our way out. Kind of like a last moments of how to consider what use things in the age of grace might still hold value under Him currently who hold all things together (Col 1:17). Perhaps this might be the thing to covet. Or better, to cherish most. Since the age of grace values are fleeting, is spending those fleeting moments best spent in concerns of what they surely will become in the tribulation age, or what utility they now have in His here and now age of grace? If God uses secular players in some sense to be of benefit to the fleeting age of grace scenario, for us to consider more so how they might later be in the tribulation could tend to place our eyes upon a horizon that is certain but not yet here now. While in so doing, potentially missing on some levels the values things have now in comparison. If that might make sense?

In any event, thanks so much for this thread and your further details provided. Blessings.

You are entitled to have your personal perspective on the costume worn by Musk as being a "trolling".
The comments I made in respect to the wearing of that costume and providing the background of the meaning behind what it represents was not to imply it is tied to prophecy or to impose my thoughts on anyone but I presented facts and explained it's "probably" why some made the reference to his Logo being a broken cross.
I said it's likely because of his ideologies that seem to be ungodly.
I cannot get into his mind or heart only God can do that.
I make observations and it just causes me to be cautious to not be deceived and I share the concerns to others which I don't expect for everyone to see it as I do.
Even if Musk was trolling or being amusing with wearing that costume, is it excusable for a Christian see it as harmless?
It's like having an idol on my table and saying that I just like how it looks but I am not worshipping it. I don't see the idol as a god I just like the decor. Those are excuses being made because it doesn't bother me, but it doesn't take away the fact of what it represents.
Is it acceptable for a Christian to excuse what is ungodly because it's amusing or done in trolling fun? That's hypothetical.
Babylon Bee has no place in what is factual. Babylon Bee is a satire based group that takes news, true or untrue to make fun of it to entertain people and not a credible source to verify a fact or not.
I don't believe in whitewashing disturbing things because it may have an explanation for it, or because something about it is amusing.
I think you have a right to see things how you want just as anybody has. If I kept silent about something that could potentially be harmful that would be absolutely unloving of me. If I come across something that might potentially harm us, I'll put it out there but I won't expect anyone to accept it. We all have free will to choose what we want to believe.
Musk has some issues and just like anyone, he needs to be prayed for to come out of darkness and receive God's Grace in the only One it can be found, Jesus.

TCC · Jan 23, 2025

Hi 1Lover. Thanks for your reply. I believe you should post with the conviction that is your heart. And you are correct about the Bee not being factual (which ironically as i think about it is kind of their job not to be in a way...lol...that just strikes me as funny). What i believe i need to do is be more careful in how i develop my points. Because 1 Lover i am in honor and do respect your convictions on this issue. I see your sincere concerns and your honest heart toward them. I believe the church is the conscience of society. So yeah, your concerns upon your heart I believe are important to share. So yeah, by what i shared was just my observation of the issue. I kind of take it for granted in some ways that my perspectives are pretty far out there. And because of that its really not meant to impose that others adopt the way i am looking at things. But rather alt views potentially to consider. So I said I believe i need to be more careful how i do that. Because in all honesty, my intension in response was meant as a general contrast to themes that form that are somewhat popular today. But i can see it does kind of engage in some pretty significant contrasts of how you have shared. For me, its just meant as engaging with you as presenter in dialogue and consideration of other consideration. Taking what you share as a face value of what is in your heart to have concern with. So, yeah, it wasn't meant to be dismissive of shared concern. I just tend to think more or less i guess thematically. But yeah, I will pray upon this because i don't think it is altogether as helpful as it might to kind of be having two conversations at the same time. 1 in relation to watcher themes i see trending. And 2, your own personal views on the issue at hand. So yeah thanks for pointing that out. It is something i do need to take more to heart. Amen.

In that sense, I would at least like to provide a more transparent context as to why I shared my perspective as something to consider. Although my arrival at equating the wearing of a costume as trolling seemed to have been where it might seem i land the plane. Its not, exactly. But within the sphere of where i find concerns with this event, trolling would seem to be perhaps the most relatable. So i guess i left the focus there, because the more nuanced reason for holding that view is quite a bit beyond trolling. And actually i think in some ways is perhaps more in line with levels similar to your concerns. Not exactly. But hopefully not to make light of wearing a Baphomet costume. To me this event is like Trump putting the constitution in a bible. Things that don't belong together. Things that should concern us. For the record, I'd like to share, for me, what seeming perhaps to land on trolling has more to do with.

With Elon, I don't mean it so much as dismissing any person wearing something like that. I would see though the inappropriateness of it suggest certainly worldliness, yes. But the level of offense intended by wearing that I personally believe to be in expression of the degree to which it stands for in its troll sense. Not that trolling is its end though so much. But more like the magnitude of what something like that might mean. Like the level of its off-putting callousness to imply the magnitude of what a level of trolling like that implies. In other words, how seismic activity level what it tends to troll as might suggest. And in that, i would venture to suggest a potential degree actually in prophecy. But not necessarily prophecy proper. But more like prophecy lite? And as eschatological views vary, I guess i would admit it would be what i would expect along the way prophetically. But not that i am one to be able to proclaim prophecy. In that sense i kind of have a different view in how that kind of works in our age. As a cessationist, i just try to see common ground themes providentially and how those might actually dovetail into a prophecy lite sense. Well, it is my conviction that prophetic awareness that prophetic potential could likely be understood in the commons by anyone. Because providence we share together right now is for everyone. As for Israel, in the tribulation they shall prophesy. As for the church, being children of providence found in Romans 11:12, I just believe providence likely embraces us potentially with insights. But insights that seem to perhaps be natural more than supernatural...lol. So yeah probably not something that sounds too much like a safe and sane firework. But it would seem there are no shortage of themes today related as such. So its just kind of i guess ways i consider too. Whatever providence might be able to impart for the church that might be granted low hanging fruit from the Father, whatever that might be of Him would not go anywhere outside the safety railing of scripture though, amen.

So on my personal note, I would see the Elon event via providential senses. Not saying God wanted Elon to wear a Baphomet suit...heavens no. But more like God knowing the choices of men and permit them, can at times suggest things i believe, providentially. For example, and of course we will have to see (amen), I don't perceive this 4 year term to be like the last. Or normal by any means. But just as much high octane insensitivity Elon portrays by wearing such a costume, to me, likely arrives on the scene descriptive of our season. A very radio-active one. Perhaps for Dillon of the Bee it is merely trolling. For me in that, trolling is merely the delivery system. Not necessarily a go to thought for closure. So I borrow as a way to kind of express its far greater potential implications. For me, namely, that as much as something like this may be of such out of the ordinary to the degree that it is, is to the degree I would presume (and i do mean merely presume) the degree to which blow back potential be on our horizon.

In a previous post i noted the increasing tension of a sling shot slowly being pulled back stretching out further and further. In like fashion, to the degree the sling shot is pulled back as far as it can go without snapping would in analogy be like the richest man in the world wearing a Baphomet costume for Halloween. So although its social arrival might be in a sense trolling, I would just see the artifact of the richest man in the world wearing a Baphomet suit (well beyond a red outfit and pitchfork), to me, signifies a likely cue to just how intense what is around the corner will likely be. Not because Elon runs the world or plans on doing this or that. I just tend to look at things in a bit more hieroglyphic sense. Matching the level of exposure and attention grabbing (and its off-putting signature) effect as such positionally coming from the richest man in the world is too loud to miss that if that were to be something to the effect of lets say like how Trump for example said he used neocon John Bolton to be at meetings with him because it suggests to other nation states that Bolton has Trump's ear. So that sort of gesture conveys situational potential intent. One Trump no doubt would have hoped not to have to use. But by having Bolton parading before the world with Trump in meetings, sends the signal of potential war possibility.

So its kind of like on that level i would look at something like that. Primarily because Elon is both the richest man in the world and owner of one of the most powerful social media platforms in the world. In that sense, Elon is kind of geopolitically like a nation state. Sending out vibes. And this is not so much for his enemies, as i would process it. To me, it could be like something like this: The tribulation is very near, world. And the richest man then will be Baphomet. Something like that. Not that Elon means that. But this nearness illustrated by metaphor. In this same kind of sense i would mean trolling. Yes, for his enemies. But honestly i would see that as secondary. To me, the primary import is its shock value to the world. For something likely much closer to us than the tribulation. But as strange as this may sound here, is kind of the reason i would have just parked that notion on mere trolling. Admittedly this is a personal conviction of its own. And may amount to nothing, amen. But just in my own parlance, in gathering themes of our day, I would admittedly be shocked if what comes with Trumps next four years is not as shocking as the richest man in the world dressing up like Baphomet.

Not that i believe Trump will do something grotesquely evil. For i don't. But whatever Trump ends up being in our age, the world seems to somewhat be outmatched by him. That does not imply to me to put hope in Trump. But the metaphor in that, to me, seems to be of unprecedented magnitude. Likely like the world has never seen. Like the richest man in the world wearing a Baphomet suit. So although likely a troll, the takeaway I presume is 1,000 times more than what a troll may mean. I realize in this POV it takes more of a position of its bellwether import potential more than anything to do with Elon personally or impersonally. But yeah, the story it tells in our age, like. By this, i realize this focus is different. Perhaps this was not the right place to express this sense of trolling. It just caught my attention i guess that those other than me might have seen that too. Not that i actually did until a read that article. But what immediately occurs in my soul is not so much about Baphomet or Elon. But that things the riches man in the world does, like theater used to be in antiquity of only those in royal status (and the commers would not have made plays or theater about their own common lives). I just tend to see more in the sense of nation state diplomacy implied when it comes to high profile people these days. Admittedly this could be kind of dumb and superstitious even. But however it might, I just meant it as a contrasting consideration. But will take a better look at how bringing those strange animals in my pocket out for a walk in the front yard might be introduced. Thanks for speaking you pure and real heart in this way. Blessings.

1LoverofGod · Jan 23, 2025

TCC said:
Hi 1Lover. Thanks for your reply. I believe you should post with the conviction that is your heart. And you are correct about the Bee not being factual (which ironically as i think about it is kind of their job not to be in a way...lol...that just strikes me as funny). What i believe i need to do is be more careful in how i develop my points. Because 1 Lover i am in honor and do respect your convictions on this issue. I see your sincere concerns and your honest heart toward them. I believe the church is the conscience of society. So yeah, your concerns upon your heart I believe are important to share. So yeah, by what i shared was just my observation of the issue. I kind of take it for granted in some ways that my perspectives are pretty far out there. And because of that its really not meant to impose that others adopt the way i am looking at things. But rather alt views potentially to consider. So I said I believe i need to be more careful how i do that. Because in all honesty, my intension in response was meant as a general contrast to themes that form that are somewhat popular today. But i can see it does kind of engage in some pretty significant contrasts of how you have shared. For me, its just meant as engaging with you as presenter in dialogue and consideration of other consideration. Taking what you share as a face value of what is in your heart to have concern with. So, yeah, it wasn't meant to be dismissive of shared concern. I just tend to think more or less i guess thematically. But yeah, I will pray upon this because i don't think it is altogether as helpful as it might to kind of be having two conversations at the same time. 1 in relation to watcher themes i see trending. And 2, you are own personal views on the issue at hand. So yeah thanks for point that out. It is something i do need to take more to heart. Amen.

In that sense, I would at least like to provide a more transparent context as to why I shared my perspective as something to consider. Although my arrival at equating the wearing of a costume as trolling seemed to have been where it might seem i land the plane. Its not, exactly. But within the sphere of where i find concerns with this event, trolling would seem to be perhaps the most relatable. So i guess i left the focus there, because the more nuanced reason for holding that view is quite a bit beyond trolling. And actually i think in some ways is perhaps more in line with levels similar to your concerns. Not exactly. But hopefully not to make light of wearing a Baphomet costume. To me this event is like Trump putting the constitution in a bible. Things that don't belong together. Things that should concern us. For the record, I'd like to share, for me, what seeming perhaps to land on trolling has more to with.

With Elon, I don't mean it so much as dismissing any person wearing something like that. I would see though the inappropriate of it suggest certainly worldliness, yes. But the level of offense intended by wearing that I personally believe to be in expression the degree to which it stands for in its troll sense. Not that trolling is its end though so much. But more like the magnitude of what something like that might mean. Like the level of its off-putting callousness to imply the magnitude of what a level of trolling like that implies. In other words, how seismic activity level what it tends to troll as might suggest. And in that, i would venture to suggest a potential degree actually in prophecy. But not necessarily prophecy proper. But more like prophecy lite? And as eschatological views vary, I guess i would admit it would be what i would expect along the way prophetically. But not that i am one to be able to proclaim prophecy. In that sense i kind of have a different view in how that kind of works in our age. As a cessationist, i just try to see common ground themes providentially and how those might actually dovetail into a prophecy lite sense. Well, it is my conviction that prophetic awareness that prophetic potential could likely be understood in the commons by anyone. Because providence we share together right now is for everyone. As for Israel, in the tribulation they shall prophesy. As for the church, being children of providence found in Romans 11:12, I just believe providence likely embraces us potentially with insights. But insights that seem to perhaps be natural more than supernatural...lol. So yeah probably not something that sounds too much like a safe and sane firework. But it would seem there are no shortage of themes today related as such. So its just kind of i guess ways i consider too. Whatever providence might be able to impart for the church that might be granted low hanging fruit from the Father, whatever that might be of Him would not go anywhere outside the safe retailing of scripture though, amen.

So on my personal note, I would see the Elon event via providential. Not saying God wanted Elon to wear a Baphomet suit...heavens no. But more like God knowing the choices of men and permit them, can at times suggest things i believe. For example, and of course we will have to see (amen), I don't perceive this 4 year term to be like the last. Or normal by any means. But just as much high octane insensitivity Elon portrays by wearing such a costume, to me, likely arrives on the scene descriptive of our season. A very radio-active one. Perhaps for Dillon of the Bee it is merely trolling. For me in that, trolling is merely the delivery system. Not necessarily a go to thought for closure. So I borrow as a way to kind of express its far greater potential implications. For me, namely, that as much as something like this may be of such out of the ordinary to the degree that it is, is to the degree I would presume (and i do mean merely presume) the degree to which blow back potential be on our horizon.

In a previous post i noted the increasing tension of a sling shot slowly being pulled back stretching out further and further. In like fashion, to the degree the sling shot is pulled back as far as it can go without snapping would in analogy be like the richest man in the world wearing a Baphomet costume for Halloween. So although its social arrival might be in a sense trolling, I would just see the artifact of the richest man in the world wearing a Baphomet suit (well beyond a red outfit and pitchfork), to me, signifies a likely cue to just how intense what is around the corner will likely be. Not because Elon runs the world or plans on doing this or that. I just tend to look at things in a bit more hieroglyphic sense. Matching the level of exposure and attention grabbing (and its off-putting signature) effect as such positionally coming from the richest man in the world is too loud to miss that if that were to be something to the effect of lets say like how Trump for example said he used neocon John Bolton to be at meetings with him because it suggests to other nation states that Bolton has Trump's ear. So that sort of gesture conveys situational potential intent. One Trump no doubt would have hoped not to have to use. But by having Bolton parading before the world with Trump in meetings, sends the signal of potential war possibility.

So its kind of like on that level i would look at something like that. Primarily because Elon is both the richest man in the world and owner of one of the most powerful social media platforms in the world. In that sense, Elon is kind of geopolitically like a nation state. Sending out vibes. And this is not so much for his enemies, as i would process it. To me, it could be like something like this: The tribulation is very near, world. And the richest man then will be Baphomet. Something like that. Not that Elon means that. But this nearness illustrated by metaphor. In this same kind of sense i would mean trolling. Yes, for his enemies. But honestly i would see that as secondary. To me, the primary import is its shock value to the world. For something likely much closer to us than the tribulation. But as strange as this may sound here, is kind of the reason i would have just parked that notion on mere trolling. Admittedly this is a personal conviction of its own. And may amount to nothing, amen. But just in my own parlance, in gathering themes of our day, I would admittedly be shocked if what comes with Trumps next four years is not as shocking as the richest man in the world dressing up like Baphomet.

Not that i believe Trump will do something grotesquely evil. For i don't. But whatever Trump ends up being in our age, the world seems to somewhat be outmatched by him. That does not imply to me to put hope in Trump. But the metaphor in that, to me, seems to be of unprecedented magnitude. Likely like the world has never seen. Like the richest man in the world wearing a Baphomet suit. So although likely a troll, the takeaway I presume is 1,000 times more than what a troll may mean. I realize in this POV it takes more of a position of its bellwether import potential more than anything to do with Elon personally or impersonally. But yeah, the story it tells in our age, like. By this, i realize this focus is different. Perhaps this was not the right place to express this sense of trolling. It just caught my attention i guess that those other than me might have seen that too. Not that i actually did until a read that article. But what immediately occurs in my soul is not so much about Baphomet or Elon. But that things the riches man in the world does, like theater used to be in antiquity of only those in royal status (and the commers would not have made plays or theater about their own common lives). I just tend to see more in the sense of nation state diplomacy implied when it comes to high profile people these days. Admittedly this could be kind of dumb and superstitious even. But however it might, I just meant it as a contrasting consideration. But will take a better look at how bringing those strange animals in my pocket out for a walk in the front yard might be introduce. Thanks for speaking you pure and real heart in this way. Blessings.

Brother I really tried and even opened my Google Translator App to understand, but the language could not be found

Just kidding about the translator App.
You're are so sincere with all of the time and effort you put into explaining yourself but my head kept going here and there and over there and then a U-turn and back to the beginning and found myself lost. It's just me.

It's not that you did anything wrong. My vocabulary is very simple and it may be that I'm just not too smart. Sorry

Amethyst · Jan 23, 2025

No, I am the same with TCCs posts.
I wish I could read our dear brothers posts but they are way over my head.
I wish my brain could retain all those deep train-of-thoughts but it rejects even the effort to try!

TCC · Jan 23, 2025

1LoverofGod said:
Brother I really tried and even opened my Google Translator App to understand, but the language could not be found Just kidding about the translator App.
You're are so sincere with all of the time and effort you put into explaining yourself but my head kept going here and there and over there and then a U-turn and back to the beginning and found myself lost. It's just me.
It's not that you did anything wrong. My vocabulary is very simple and it may be that I'm just not too smart. Sorry

I ampathesize

Sometimes I myself wonder who in the world let whatever all that is into the house. Almost feels like a well meant but broken algorhtymn with whiplash...lol. Thanks so much for taking the time to read all that and consider where I am coming from. In some way I could be more direct. But maybe I might be afraid to see what that might look like...lol sometimes. But I guess the short cut deliverable is: I know this sounds wild. And I don't think there is a way to mearue or secure this. But my perspectives I do see often come from...what things and themes we see occuring in our day, to me, seem very much a grammar of significance God permits our age nearing the tribulation to see winks and indicators in Providence unfolding. This will wildly at times likely seem to conflict with contemporary views of eschatology. In a way it may be like that on purpose, me thinks. As an example, and I increasingly am baffled at how hard the watcher community seems to work at not seeing this, but why is America being empowered for Israel to arrive at peace and safety for Ez 38 the hottest item no one sees? I mean in pockets yes. We have heard of Trump Durangement syndrome no doubt. But in the watcher world there almost seems to be like an America potential in prophecy Durangement syndrome. On its face I would never advise sharpening our eschatological perspectives on what is "anti-trending." But nevertheless, the silence is deafening, no? Almost like we can have any recipe eschatologyically we like, but not that one. So I guess this is kind of good example I guess of what I am viewing things like. The more we notice the watcher world not seeing that, the higher the potential of it being true increasing. In my view. Probably not a good way to eschatology...lol. But I would be not so honest to say it isn't intriguing. Again dear saint, thanks for your love and care and bold spirit. Those three together demonstrates a heart of depth in Him. To me, far more significant than the ability to see animal shapes in the clouds (which it sometimes feels like I do a bit too much of...lol). Blessings :heart:

1LoverofGod · Jan 23, 2025

TCC said:
I ampathesize Sometimes I myself wonder who in the world let whatever all that is into the house. Almost feels like a well meant but broken algorhtymn with whiplash...lol. Thanks so much for taking the time to read all that and consider where I am coming from. In some way I could be more direct. But maybe I might be afraid to see what that might look like...lol sometimes. But I guess the short cut deliverable is: I know this sounds wild. And I don't think there is a way to mearue or secure this. But my perspectives I do see often come from...what things and themes we see occuring in our day, to me, seem very much a grammar of significance God permits our age nearing the tribulation to see winks and indicators in Providence unfolding. This will wildly at times likely seem to conflict with contemporary views of eschatology. In a way it may be like that on purpose, me thinks. As an example, and I increasingly am baffled at how hard the watcher community seems to work at not seeing this, but why is America being empowered for Israel to arrive at peace and safety for Ez 38 the hottest item no one sees? I mean in pockets yes. We have heard of Trump Durangement syndrome no doubt. But in the watcher world there almost seems to be like an America potential in prophecy Durangement syndrome. On its face I would never advise sharpening our eschatological perspectives on what is "anti-trending." But nevertheless, the silence is deafening, no? Almost like we can have any recipe eschatologyically we like, but not that one. So I guess this is kind of good example I guess of what I am viewing things like. The more we notice the watcher world not seeing that, the higher the potential of it being true increasing. In my view. Probably not a good way to eschatology...lol. But I would be not so honest to say it isn't intriguing. Again dear saint, thanks for your love and care and bold spirit. Those three together demonstrates a heart of depth in Him. To me, far more significant than the ability to see animal shapes in the clouds (which it sometimes feels like I do a bit too much of...lol). Blessings

The only thing I see connection with eschatology, which is the study of end times prophecy, and what Musk did in wearing that costume and what I posted this morning in the US column about a man wearing a demonic mask while holding a sign bearing a scripture out of the book of Revelation regarding coming judgement, is that it's obvious that the spirit of Antichrist is battling with the Spirit of Truth and causing people in general to place their attention that we are in fact in the last days of the last days and going to Daniel 12 when the Angel tells Daniel to seal up the prophecy until the time of the end and only the Wise will understand and the wicked would not understand, and that's what I see happening now.
Not referring to the watcher community as you often refer to, but believers in general who know scripture, we can see the increased attention on what is evil and see it for what it is, while those who are not believers see it as normal and as the world puts it, inclusive, that people would put on such things that place attention to the wicked one, satan without thought of what is happening with this spiritual war taking place before our eyes and that we as believers are in the middle of that spiritual war.
But we are fully armed with God's complete armor of protection in this war knowing that The King Coming imminently, first for His Bride to celebrate our marriage to The Lamb and then for The Lion of Judah to return with The Saints to battle against the spirit of Antichrist and the Antichrist himself in victory and Jesus to sit on His throne to rule in God's Kingdom that we've prayed for to come to Earth as it is in Heaven for so long.
In this sense I see the connection with eschatology and the demonic activity currently taking place and could very well be why we are seeing the increase display of attention being put on what is of the devil like wearing costumes and masks depicting what is evil.

Now I confused myself with all of that

TCC · Jan 23, 2025

1LoverofGod said:
The only thing I see connection with eschatology, which is the study of end times prophecy, and what Musk did in wearing that costume and what I posted this morning in the US column about a man wearing a demonic mask while holding a sign bearing a scripture out of the book of Revelation regarding coming judgement, is that it's obvious that the spirit of Antichrist is battling with the Spirit of Truth and causing people in general to place their attention that we are in fact in the last days of the last days and going to Daniel 12 when the Angel tells Daniel to seal up the prophecy until the time of the end and only the Wise will understand and the wicked would not understand, and that's what I see happening now.
Not referring to the watcher community as you often refer to, but believers in general who know scripture, we can see the increased attention on what is evil and see it for what it is, while those who are not believers see it as normal and as the world puts it, inclusive, that people would put on such things that place attention to the wicked one, satan without thought of what is happening with this spiritua and l war taking place before our eyes and that we as believers are in the middle of that spiritual war.
But we are fully armed with God's complete armor of protection in this war knowing that The King Coming imminently, first for His Bride to celebrate our marriage to The Lamb and then for The Lion of Judah to return with The Saints to battle against the spirit of Antichrist and the Antichrist himself in victory and Jesus to sit on His throne to rule in God's Kingdom that we've prayed for to come to Earth as it is in Heaven for so long.
In this sense I see the connection with eschatology and the demonic activity currently taking place and could very well be why we are seeing the increase display of attention being put on what is of the devil like wearing costumes and masks depicting what is evil.

Now I confused myself with all of that

Lol. Well i don't think, even though it be low hanging fruit, that it might be super plain and laid out for us with 0 mystery. I do appreciate your taking the time to work through that and express that. We see similarly there. Where we might be looking at that same thing though from two different vantage points (although actually I believe we see very closely anyway regardless of differences), is this: I believe it is true that we do see an increase in 1) dark themes (dark MAGA for example), or evil in music increasing, and movies, and art etc. Yes. We see this. And it is the spirit of antichrist becoming more known. Amen. Yes it is.

However, where our eyes upon that see the same things, I would tend to highlight not so much the wisdom to realize judgement is coming, even by the unbelievers (which when they do is great). But more the care of God waking someone up from sleep (which many in the world as you have shared will be blind to it). I believe with all of this is of course the numbing effect it can have on society in normalizing evil. In that though how I would see its "opportunity" is more like from the caring heart of God toward a lost generation. The double take. That "aha moment." The thing that makes us see something and go, "Hmmmm." And say, "Like, what the heck is going on here." The first thought would not be judgement. It would be an undeniable confrontation with seeing evil in the world. Not as shielded from it as much when it is out in the open. As God permits it to be so exposed on front street. I would term this as 2) In Providence, I would see that as opportunity to wake up. Like granting people an enlarged opportunity to see evil with very little effort.We don't have to try hard to see it. Almost like, "How much evil do you have to see before you scratch your head?" lol "Hey, what?"

I am grateful for your sharing how you would see an eschatological connection. I believe you are in good company and many believers will see the warning judgement features evil can be used on display to help the world see. But at the core of how I would see Providence providing opportunities like that would be more so from the notice of His kindness to disclose more than the need for unbelievers to understand judgement is coming. Although of course, yes, that is true. And it does need to be shared--the bad news. But what I tend to see more so displayed in the fabric of Providence in our day is like what we find in Romans 2:4: "Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?" Like in that sort of aspect about God and repentence and how used too, biblically.

So like as perhaps some in the world realize as things become more apparent, that they are being shown something by One who cares enough to open our eyes more. And seeing that kindness, in greater awareness of our own sinful condition, can be sorrow then much joy to the heart. Because of the dark themes in Revelation, it is understandable we might lean toward seeing darkness being used as warning of judgement today. But my POV is generically more in like the Romans 2:4 power of His spirit to open the eyes to His goodness the word tells us brings repentance. And in a way, because of the kinds of ways we are seeing things unravel today, I believe the Romans 2:4 factor will explode more than the evil being demonstrated. And I kind of bring things up because I think our generation will typically "go to" judgement as eschatologicl theme. But we might not be as familiar with its Romans 2:4 import on live action display. Which is how I would suggest, instead of a Baphomet coming, we get quite something else. Which I would say is not something we might be prepared for. And this is my questimation. But it is kind of the reason I try several different poetic approaches in keeping this potential theme alive.

For example, I believe God permitted America to see what 4 years of the globalist regime ruling looks like. Permitting America to see if that is what it wants to become. And by its obvious stench woke millions up from stupor. Favoring more so to be able to see what "good" instead a country can be about. Christian trends will tend to see this kind of phenomenon as something we are giving perhaps too much temporal importance to and that we should really only see the contrast to turn our eyes toward heaven. But I kind of see it as both. That we focus on God regardless. Of course. But that we see what is happening right in front of us as a way to understand our late hour, amen. But America beafing up Israeli potential seems to be at an all time potential high. As great as that is to be in that age should we see that, I would see that too as a metaphor for "See God's goodness--repent" as much as others might recognize end times most by the coming deception. And I just honestly see God in His sovereignty providing both. But I don't really see it spoken of much like this. So yeah. I guess that is kind of why I am more drawn to it. Like it seems to be either an unrecognizable theme or just something perhaps too far outside the cultural norm thinking. But as Romans 2:4 demonstrates, certainly not out of His, though. Just saying.

As for your mention of Daniel, dear saint, I tend to have a view a bit specific. It seems like something mentioned more so these days. Like maybe it seems to be opening. Whereas on that note, I reckon I would be more in the camp that sees the book of Daniel open in Rev 10, which to me is the tribulation midpoint. I believe it is somewhat popular today to see what is happening as perhaps an unsealing of the book of Daniel. But whatever we might believe about that, what ever we might understand we see as that, I would just say it is God using Providence to wake up this likely last generation. So just saying that would be kind of my view. So in a way what might be familiar to you as a potential of Daniel opening in our days, well I'd be the guy over there rowing in different lane seeing it as His Providence in our day quite a bit more active for us. Perhaps as a helpful way to express how it might be ways in which I am saying this differently elsewhere. But maybe seen in a similar way in which yourselve or other dear saints might see it more like the book of Daniel opening. So yeah, if we just place those things and superimpose what might be understood as the book of Daniel opening today onto mere Providence, than yes...that would be my view. Providence not Daniel. To say it simply. Seeing what is occuring as God using Providence to open eyes (instead of opening the book of Daniel), yeah, that would be kind of like what I am saying. If it makes sense in that sort of way more perhaps?

1 Lover I used to believe that what we are experiencing in the church today is an outpouring of His spirit opening our eyes like Joel 2:28-32. I would consider that even as a cessationist. Now, actually I do believe God's Spirit is permitting the church to become more sensitive in our age, amen. But I think that outpouring at that supernatural level would likely be Israel at the 6th seal (right before the 144k get sealed...like that level outpouring). And my take would also be that the re-opening of the book of Daniel is also for Israel in the tribulation. I can understand why there is the view of Daniel perhaps opening now as some may see it. But I just bring this up like this to help provide context for where I am coming from perhaps in contrast. That Providence, not the book of Daniel, is mediating waves of loudness and have rich drenched meaning in their moist and fresh waves of thrusting insights upon us today. Put that on T-shirt...lol

. Anywayz. I can imagine how some of what I express can sound. In a very simple way, I believe God will demonstrate increadily powerful themes for us to see His goodness in our era...soon. And this is just my view. But in general where I am coming from in very simple terms. But that view is wildly controversial. And I understand with all the views going around it can be distorted. I understand. But even so it might or could be, I just believe the Romans 2:4 posture potential in seeing God's goodness on display further...belongs to our age too, is all. Thanks again for your gracious thoughts and engagement

Blessings.

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