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UN draft “The right of the Palestinian people to self-determination”

Kaatje

Unto Thee I lift my eyes. Ps. 123
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....the Committee approved — by a vote of 170 in favour to 6 against (Argentina, Israel, Micronesia, Nauru, Paraguay, United States), with 9 abstentions (Kiribati, Liberia, Palau, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Rwanda, Togo, Tonga, Tuvalu) — the draft “The right of the Palestinian people to self-determination” (A/C.3/79/L.49).

By the text, the Assembly would stress the urgency of achieving, without delay, an end to the Israeli occupation that began in 1967 and a just, lasting and comprehensive peace settlement between the Palestinian and Israeli sides, reaffirming the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination, including the right to their independent State of Palestine. It would urge all States and the United Nations specialized agencies and organizations to continue to support the Palestinian people in the early realization of their right to self-determination.

The representative of Egypt, introducing the draft on behalf of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, underscored that the Palestinian people have the right to self-determination — that is, to live in their independent and sovereign State and decide their own political, cultural and economic development, without any control or threat by a foreign party. Recalling the Advisory Opinion of the International Court of Justice, which determined that Israel must end its unlawful presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territory as soon as possible, she also applauded those countries that have recently recognized the State of Palestine.

“There is no derogation from the exercise of the right to self-determination,” said the Observer for the State of Palestine. Underscoring that the Palestinian people’s ability to exercise this right is systematically violated and suppressed by Israel’s unlawful occupation, she stated: “The Israeli Government claims the right to occupy, build settlements, annex our land and forcibly displace our people”. Reaffirming international law, this draft stresses the urgency to end the Israeli occupation.

Meanwhile, the speaker for Israel described the draft as “political in nature” and “a blunt example of double standards towards her country”. While the 7 October 2023 attack was an act of savagery by a genocidal terrorist organization that openly calls for Israel’s destruction, the Palestinian delegation has not once condemned Hamas, she emphasized. Instead, they attempt to delegitimize Israel on the international stage. She further stressed that the phrase “territorial unity” described in the draft means “from the river to the sea” — in other words, the destruction of the territorial integrity of a sovereign State.

Many other delegates supported the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination, condemning Israel’s ongoing occupation of their territories, as well as its unfolding genocide and indiscriminate massacres against the population of Gaza. Some speakers voiced regret that Palestine is not a full member of the United Nations.

Others — including the United States’ delegate — countered that this draft does not represent a step towards the realization of the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination.

 
170 countries are getting onboard. On Thursday, November 14, 2024, Only 6 countries including Israel 🇮🇱 and the USA 🇺🇸 voted in support of Israel at the UN. Every G7 country and European EU 🇪🇺 ally of Israel voted against Israel, and voted in favor of a self determined independent state of Palestine 🇵🇸

Which resolution? “The right of the Palestinian people to self-determination”

What does this mean? Basically the number of countries that would support dividing God’s land of Israel, has grown to 170 with yesterday’s vote.

The UN General Assembly overwhelmingly approved a RESOLUTION on Palestinian people's right to self-determination, INCLUDING THE RIGHT TO AN INDEPENDENT STATE OF PALESTINE 🇵🇸 with a round of applause following the vote.

UN 🇺🇳 vote was 170 for and 6 against on "The Right of the Palestinian 🇵🇸 People to Self-Determination."

The 6 voting against:
🇺🇸United States
🇮🇱Israel
🇦🇷Argentina
🇵🇾Paraguay
🇫🇲Micronesia
🇳🇷Nauru

 
‭The burden‭ of the word‭ of the LORD‭ for Israel‭, saith‭ the LORD‭, which stretcheth‭‭ forth the heavens‭, and layeth the foundation‭‭ of the earth‭, and formeth‭‭ the spirit‭ of man‭ within‭ him.‭
‭Behold, I will make‭‭ Jerusalem‭ a cup‭ of trembling‭ unto all the people‭ round about‭, when they shall be in the siege‭ both against Judah‭ ‭and‭ against Jerusalem‭.‭
‭And in that day‭ will I make‭‭ Jerusalem‭ a burdensome‭ stone‭ for all people‭: all that burden‭‭ themselves with it shall be cut in pieces‭‭‭‭, though all the people‭ of the earth‭ be gathered together‭‭ against it.‭

Zech. 12:1-3

‭The burden‭ of the word‭ of the LORD‭ for Israel‭, saith‭ the LORD‭, which stretcheth‭‭ forth the heavens‭, and layeth the foundation‭‭ of the earth‭, and formeth‭‭ the spirit‭ of man‭ within‭ him.‭
‭Behold, I will make‭‭ Jerusalem‭ a cup‭ of trembling‭ unto all the people‭ round about‭, when they shall be in the siege‭ both against Judah‭ ‭and‭ against Jerusalem‭.‭
‭And in that day‭ will I make‭‭ Jerusalem‭ a burdensome‭ stone‭ for all people‭: all that burden‭‭ themselves with it shall be cut in pieces‭‭‭‭, though all the people‭ of the earth‭ be gathered together‭‭ against it.‭

Zech. 14:1-3

Remember‭‭ this, and shew yourselves men‭‭: bring ‭it‭ again‭‭ to mind‭, O ye transgressors‭‭.‭
‭Remember‭‭ the former things‭ of old‭: for I ‭am‭ God‭, and ‭there is‭ none else; ‭I am‭ God‭, and ‭there is‭ none‭ like‭ me,‭
‭Declaring‭‭ the end‭ from the beginning‭, and from ancient times‭ ‭the things‭ that are not ‭yet‭ done‭‭, saying‭‭, My counsel‭ ‭shall‭ ‭stand‭‭‭, and I will do‭‭ all my pleasure‭:

Isa. 46:9-10
Soon, my brothers and sisters. Soon! :rapture:
 
:whisper: sis, here's Zech. 14:1-3

1 Behold, a day is coming for the LORD when the spoils taken from you will be divided among you. 2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be taken, the houses plundered, the women raped, and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be eliminated from the city. 3 Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle.
 
:whisper: sis, here's Zech. 14:1-3

1 Behold, a day is coming for the LORD when the spoils taken from you will be divided among you. 2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be taken, the houses plundered, the women raped, and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be eliminated from the city. 3 Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle.
Thank you. I see I posted Zech. 12:1-3 twice.
 
‭The burden‭ of the word‭ of the LORD‭ for Israel‭, saith‭ the LORD‭, which stretcheth‭‭ forth the heavens‭, and layeth the foundation‭‭ of the earth‭, and formeth‭‭ the spirit‭ of man‭ within‭ him.‭
‭Behold, I will make‭‭ Jerusalem‭ a cup‭ of trembling‭ unto all the people‭ round about‭, when they shall be in the siege‭ both against Judah‭ ‭and‭ against Jerusalem‭.‭
‭And in that day‭ will I make‭‭ Jerusalem‭ a burdensome‭ stone‭ for all people‭: all that burden‭‭ themselves with it shall be cut in pieces‭‭‭‭, though all the people‭ of the earth‭ be gathered together‭‭ against it.‭

Zech. 12:1-3

‭The burden‭ of the word‭ of the LORD‭ for Israel‭, saith‭ the LORD‭, which stretcheth‭‭ forth the heavens‭, and layeth the foundation‭‭ of the earth‭, and formeth‭‭ the spirit‭ of man‭ within‭ him.‭
‭Behold, I will make‭‭ Jerusalem‭ a cup‭ of trembling‭ unto all the people‭ round about‭, when they shall be in the siege‭ both against Judah‭ ‭and‭ against Jerusalem‭.‭
‭And in that day‭ will I make‭‭ Jerusalem‭ a burdensome‭ stone‭ for all people‭: all that burden‭‭ themselves with it shall be cut in pieces‭‭‭‭, though all the people‭ of the earth‭ be gathered together‭‭ against it.‭

Zech. 14:1-3

Remember‭‭ this, and shew yourselves men‭‭: bring ‭it‭ again‭‭ to mind‭, O ye transgressors‭‭.‭
‭Remember‭‭ the former things‭ of old‭: for I ‭am‭ God‭, and ‭there is‭ none else; ‭I am‭ God‭, and ‭there is‭ none‭ like‭ me,‭
‭Declaring‭‭ the end‭ from the beginning‭, and from ancient times‭ ‭the things‭ that are not ‭yet‭ done‭‭, saying‭‭, My counsel‭ ‭shall‭ ‭stand‭‭‭, and I will do‭‭ all my pleasure‭:

Isa. 46:9-10
Soon, my brothers and sisters. Soon! :rapture:
Amen. I never heard of these countries. lol. But glad America is not alone. Amen.

🇫🇲Micronesia
🇳🇷Nauru
 
I think Jordan should take them but the king doesn't want them- too much trouble, far too likely to create a revolution and kill off the monarchy.

Jordan was the original 2 state solution.

Britain turned on the Balfour deal with Israel and carved off a hunk of Israel's territory for all the Arabs in the area, calling it Jordan and took the monarchy away from Mecca and Medina, sent that king over to Jordan to rule the new country and gave Mecca and Medina to the rival Saudi tribe. Which is how the Saudis gained full control of Arabia (Lawrence of Arabia brokered the whole mess) It was all about access to Saudi Oil. That is how Jordan came to be.

Since Jordan was invented and carved OFF from Israel's territory to house the Arab muslims, it's only fair to send them to the original Palestinian homeland for the Arab Muslims of the area- Jordan. Most of the West Bank CAME from Jordan in the invasion by Jordan in 1948 right after Israel was declared a nation. They should have been sent back in 1967 but they weren't and they remain a problem.

The OTHER Palestinians in Gaza arrived from Egypt as Egypt took the Gaza again, 1948, then lost the Gaza Strip in 1967. Then Israel was forced to give up the Gaza strip in 2005. Egypt should take those. Like Jordan Egypt trained these people as advance troops to push Israel out. They lost, but Egypt (and Jordan) continued to feed their ambitions.

A few are from Lebanon and Syria and should go back.

Wherever they go, it needs to be a Muslim country. No other country should have to put up with them. At least in the Muslim countries they have their ways of dealing with extremists, it's harsh but effective. In a few generations they will fit back into the local culture. They share common heritage- religion, customs etc.
 
Since Jordan was invented and carved OFF from Israel's territory to house the Arab muslims, it's only fair to send them to the original Palestinian homeland for the Arab Muslims of the area- Jordan.
I didn’t know this history. This ticks me off!!! Why should Jordan be able to just sit there and watch all this mess and do nothing???
I agree - send the Pali Muslims to Jordan! Why isn’t anyone putting pressure on them to take them? 😡
 
Is there room enough to send several million people who call themselves palestinians there? An island would be a good place for them to call home, especially if it is a long ways from Israel.
Funny you mention that, Australia actually uses the island to deport illegal immigrants to before they decide if they're allowed into Australia or whether they get sent back to the country that they came from originally.
 
Funny you mention that, Australia actually uses the island to deport illegal immigrants to before they decide if they're allowed into Australia or whether they get sent back to the country that they came from originally.
Wish the US had an island like that…what a perfect idea. Now ours are all hidden and blended in…will take a miracle and probably violence to deport them all. And your country probably doesn’t get near as many because they know they will end up on that island.
 
Wish the US had an island like that…what a perfect idea. Now ours are all hidden and blended in…will take a miracle and probably violence to deport them all. And your country probably doesn’t get near as many because they know they will end up on that island.
Yeah Australia has a few deals with some of the islands around us to house illegal immigrants while they're vetted to suss out who they are.

Unfortunately a lot of bad apples snuck through the cracks in the early 90's when we took in the lebanese refugees when they had the wars goin on in Beirut back then and also the Africans from Sudan.
 
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Margery, I so agree with you and have been saying for many years that the Palestinians belong in Jordan.
But....... the Jordanian king does not want them, cuz they are (excuse my french) a lazy and pretty much unproductive people. They never did anything to improve their place in "Trans Jordan" (which is what the land of Israel was called back then before 1948) and even if they took over the area of Israel today, they would destroy all that the Israelis have built. Of course, I don't think they will ever get that chance now.
 
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