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Trump shifts tariff strategy amid market turmoil

President Trump moved Thursday to shield thousands of goods from 25% tariffs he levied on imports from Canada and Mexico this week but said he was not backing away from a plan to use tariffs to equalize trade imbalances and return manufacturing jobs to the U.S.

The president signed two executive orders providing a monthlong exemption for all goods in the 2020 United States-Mexico-Canada trade agreement.

On Wednesday, Mr. Trump carved out exemptions for auto manufacturers. The tariffs had wiped out months of gains on Wall Street.

After the closing bell, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was down 427 points, or nearly 1%, as investors reacted negatively to Mr. Trump’s dramatic shifts in tariff strategy. The tech-heavy Nasdaq lost 2.6% in trading Thursday.

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Most of Canada were on board when the tariffs were about drugs and migrants -everyone knew that was a Trudeau problem. We welcomed a good reason to force Trudeau into strengthening the borders, and going after the drug trade, and quit importing terrorists in wholesale quantities. Nobody here liked his policies on that. We were with Trump.

But the sudden change in the reason for tariffs (now it's economics, and tearing up agreements that Trump signed in his first term and called "good" at that time) and then turning them on and off then on again in quick succession has gotten most of the people up here in Canada really worried that Trumps aim in them is to destabilize our economy in order to take over. His joke about the 51st State and the "gvnor" of Canada is backfiring big time. Now people see it as proof of his intentions to take over the country and it's driving the voters back towards the Liberals, now under mark Carney.

Even Alberta and Quebec (normally our separatist elements) are pulling together in this.

The tariffs for drugs and migrants weren't popular but Canada understood. This they don't. Now that it feels like a way for Trump to tear up agreements he signed onto and called good, means he is seen as a promise breaker and combined with his 51st state jokes, it's not going well.
 
Most of Canada were on board when the tariffs were about drugs and migrants -everyone knew that was a Trudeau problem. We welcomed a good reason to force Trudeau into strengthening the borders, and going after the drug trade, and quit importing terrorists in wholesale quantities. Nobody here liked his policies on that. We were with Trump.

But the sudden change in the reason for tariffs (now it's economics, and tearing up agreements that Trump signed in his first term and called "good" at that time) and then turning them on and off then on again in quick succession has gotten most of the people up here in Canada really worried that Trumps aim in them is to destabilize our economy in order to take over. His joke about the 51st State and the "gvnor" of Canada is backfiring big time. Now people see it as proof of his intentions to take over the country and it's driving the voters back towards the Liberals, now under mark Carney.

Even Alberta and Quebec (normally our separatist elements) are pulling together in this.

The tariffs for drugs and migrants weren't popular but Canada understood. This they don't. Now that it feels like a way for Trump to tear up agreements he signed onto and called good, means he is seen as a promise breaker and combined with his 51st state jokes, it's not going well.
Trump is certainly strategic in using the "carrot and the stick" when trying to make deals.
I think the tariffs are not aimed at the people overall but at the leader to get the leader to cave to his plan with pressure thinking that pressure won't come only from the US but also from the people to pressure the leader to agree with what Trump proposes, but unfortunately his methods don't always seat well with all the people and can bring mixed feelings about what exactly Trump's intent is.
Certainly Trump has America first on his agenda and is looking out for what will benefit America, but at the same time isn't prepared for the reaction from the people under the leader he's pressuring.
That's just what I see going on with the tariffs with Canada, as far as Mexico is concerned that's about the mass border crossings and influx of fentanyl and other illegal smuggling coming into this country from the human trafficking and arms and such, as for China it's mostly about China stealing our intellectual property and anti American attitude and threats of war with us.
Trump uses that carrot and stick method often, the carrot being on a more willingness to compromise with keeping America's interests at the forefront and the stick by being more pressure focused and making it clear that America will not back down from protecting our interests and will use force of necessary.
 
Trump is certainly strategic in using the "carrot and the stick" when trying to make deals.
I think the tariffs are not aimed at the people overall but at the leader to get the leader to cave to his plan with pressure thinking that pressure won't come only from the US but also from the people to pressure the leader to agree with what Trump proposes, but unfortunately his methods don't always seat well with all the people and can bring mixed feelings about what exactly Trump's intent is.
Certainly Trump has America first on his agenda and is looking out for what will benefit America, but at the same time isn't prepared for the reaction from the people under the leader he's pressuring.
That's just what I see going on with the tariffs with Canada, as far as Mexico is concerned that's about the mass border crossings and influx of fentanyl and other illegal smuggling coming into this country from the human trafficking and arms and such, as for China it's mostly about China stealing our intellectual property and anti American attitude and threats of war with us.
Trump uses that carrot and stick method often, the carrot being on a more willingness to compromise with keeping America's interests at the forefront and the stick by being more pressure focused and making it clear that America will not back down from protecting our interests and will use force of necessary.

When I see stuff happen like this, unexpected stuff- Trump isn't usually say one thing (get control of the border and it's ok) then change the goal posts when efforts have been underway to fulfill his requirements- he's usually very clear-

--that makes me look and ask what is God allowing here and why?

I looked at the name of the new leader- the new Prime Minister of Canada (the Liberal convention "elected" him, - NOT THE PEOPLE and by law he is now the PM) and it is Mark Carney. Mark is a mark. Something to call attention to something. Carney is similar to the Latin for flesh.

Our new PM is loosely named Mark of the Flesh. While I don't think a lot needs to be read into people's names, sometimes God does allow their names as a clue to their character or calling. Prophecy circles debate about the apt name for Donald Trump as the last Trump. Without getting into that, I still take it into account.

It strikes me, that regardless of our new PM's name, this trade war will play into a couple of things to do with end times.

1 being a rift between nations who routinely stand together. That is the enemy at work. America still has a role to play. Will she stand alone to do it? I'm thinking of the upcoming war with Iran and proxies that Israel is already fighting, and America is coming alongside to help. Canada has no role to play, under the Liberals Trudeau and now Mark Carney, they will not stand with Israel in any meaningful way. This may be something God is allowing at this time.

Oh edited to add, the kaffuffle up here about the Liberal crowning of Carney has to do with China's influence. You don't need an ally who might be pipelining info etc to China. Especially when it comes to delicate matters regards Israel.

2 setting up stress on the world economic system. I still don't think the whole house of cards falls till the Rapture. But its' sure got some interesting cracks forming. This is part of it as I see it.
 
When I see stuff happen like this, unexpected stuff- Trump isn't usually say one thing (get control of the border and it's ok) then change the goal posts when efforts have been underway to fulfill his requirements- he's usually very clear-

--that makes me look and ask what is God allowing here and why?

I looked at the name of the new leader- the new Prime Minister of Canada (the Liberal convention "elected" him, - NOT THE PEOPLE and by law he is now the PM) and it is Mark Carney. Mark is a mark. Something to call attention to something. Carney is similar to the Latin for flesh.

Our new PM is loosely named Mark of the Flesh. While I don't think a lot needs to be read into people's names, sometimes God does allow their names as a clue to their character or calling. Prophecy circles debate about the apt name for Donald Trump as the last Trump. Without getting into that, I still take it into account.

It strikes me, that regardless of our new PM's name, this trade war will play into a couple of things to do with end times.

1 being a rift between nations who routinely stand together. That is the enemy at work. America still has a role to play. Will she stand alone to do it? I'm thinking of the upcoming war with Iran and proxies that Israel is already fighting, and America is coming alongside to help. Canada has no role to play, under the Liberals Trudeau and now Mark Carney, they will not stand with Israel in any meaningful way. This may be something God is allowing at this time.

Oh edited to add, the kaffuffle up here about the Liberal crowning of Carney has to do with China's influence. You don't need an ally who might be pipelining info etc to China. Especially when it comes to delicate matters regards Israel.

2 setting up stress on the world economic system. I still don't think the whole house of cards falls till the Rapture. But its' sure got some interesting cracks forming. This is part of it as I see it.
Maybe the world economy is going to be like violent seas in the interim, as long as this uncertainty with Trump's random and bold threats, the stockmarkets will be fear

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elcome to another week in US politics. Goodness, the news does keep rolling in, doesn’t it?
Donald Trump has declined to rule out the possibility of America entering a recession this year, as the markets continue to fret about his tariffs, and speculation that the US economy will contract in the first quarter keeps mounting.

Weak jobs data, released over the weekend, was not particularly reassuring.

And there are several other danger signs too, as laid out by economist Tej Parikh in The Financial Times today. Mr Parikh argues the American economy was already “weaker than many appreciated” before Mr Trump took office - and he’s now making it worse.

“Trumponomics has damped the outlook further by introducing stagflationary forces and financial market risks,” he writes, going on to note that “confidence has plunged”.

 
Sorry to hear @Margery about the effects on Canada. When Trump first got in office in 2017 he was amazed at how big the government was. Lol. We certainly saw growing pains. Its easy for me to guess in the midst of real pain Canada feels. It was cute before. But now we are getting into the thick of it. From the senses about Trump, I do think he was serious about Greenland. But with Canada, so seemingly aligned with the liberal EU, I would say his interest is Canada to be more integrated economically soundly with America. Which would hurt the EU. I do believe the EU is something he'd be interested in hurting. But not Canada. I understand how it must feel. I would see this as economics 101 for Trump. Regardless how well he can run a business, world economics will always come with surprise. I would generally think it is Trump unfortunately having to learn the ropes. I believe ultimately he will use tariffs and do away with taxes over time. I believe that is his primary aim. And it seems like quite a bucking bronco to ride. I would imagine pockets of uncertainty. But in order to decouple from central banking (i believe an ultimate goal), tariffs have to be in play. We can pray he gets more right than wrong during his learning curve. But i would see a fairly 100% tariff mission to be an absolute for him. Not just a mission of experimenting with the economies.

From what i understand Marxism is typically played on other nations. Like removing weapons from Australia and providing them with COVID internment camps as a practice model. Tariffs would seem to be in every sense a test model too but i believe in hopes for overall better world economies. Unfortunately its a doctor learning on the job surgery. I hope it does not get too bad. Thanks for sharing from the heart of Canada. Keep us posted. Its invaluable to have your real world perspective in these days regarding Canada and so much more. Blessing. :pray:
 
Sorry to hear @Margery about the effects on Canada. When Trump first got in office in 2017 he was amazed at how big the government was. Lol. We certainly saw growing pains. Its easy for me to guess in the midst of real pain Canada feels. It was cute before. But now we are getting into the thick of it. From the senses about Trump, I do think he was serious about Greenland. But with Canada, so seemingly aligned with the liberal EU, I would say his interest is Canada to be more integrated economically soundly with America. Which would hurt the EU. I do believe the EU is something he'd be interested in hurting. But not Canada. I understand how it must feel. I would see this as economics 101 for Trump. Regardless how well he can run a business, world economics will always come with surprise. I would generally think it is Trump unfortunately having to learn the ropes. I believe ultimately he will use tariffs and do away with taxes over time. I believe that is his primary aim. And it seems like quite a bucking bronco to ride. I would imagine pockets of uncertainty. But in order to decouple from central banking (i believe an ultimate goal), tariffs have to be in play. We can pray he gets more right than wrong during his learning curve. But i would see a fairly 100% tariff mission to be an absolute for him. Not just a mission of experimenting with the economies.

From what i understand Marxism is typically played on other nations. Like removing weapons from Australia and providing them with COVID internment camps as a practice model. Tariffs would seem to be in every sense a test model too but i believe in hopes for overall better world economies. Unfortunately its a doctor learning on the job surgery. I hope it does not get too bad. Thanks for sharing from the heart of Canada. Keep us posted. Its invaluable to have your real world perspective in these days regarding Canada and so much more. Blessing. :pray:
For the record, Australia never followed through with COIV internment camps
 
It will work out as the Lord allows. I think something you said- I think it was you @TCC --about the accidental nature of Trump setting some of his advisors in place who would be able to push forward (without realizing) some of the necessary economics for the world after the Rapture. I would agree. He is in place to do God's will at this point in history. We have enough of the future written in the Bible to know how things end up, maybe not enough to know how they get there.

God is in control. Even (especially) when things happen that appear really puzzling like this.

I see economic failure of Canada up ahead, sooner rather than later under Mark Carney the new PM.

If the world fractures into 10 economic zones, Canada would fold into the USA but it's hard to look at that future knowing what my family has fought for. My Christian grandfather fought in WW 1, and he lost 2 of his 3 brothers over there. My father was preparing to go to Korea when the ceasefire took place. Too young for WW2.

Grandfather was a Bible and prophecy teacher when he wasn't being a lawyer. He got me memorizing Scripture as a little girl. I loved him dearly.

There is nothing we can do to change the timing of the Tribulation, we can't delay it, any more than we can speed up the Rapture. God is in charge. And He is in charge of nations and their leaders.

It is painful seeing Mark Carney as Prime Minister. His name as I mentioned - is Mark and the last name Carney is a latin root for Flesh. Mark of the Flesh. He is a personal friend of Trudeau, and one who believes the same things with a little more strength I think. Worse, Canada is turning away from Poilievre the Conservative leader and embracing Carney as the leader of the Liberals- who will "fight" Trump.

A long time back John Turner also a Liberal and a former Prime Minister warned us against ever going into NAFTA - he said something to the effect that it was better not to lock into a contract like this, it would be bad for Canada and he was right.

NAFTA set the stage for this. The other agreement built on NAFTA. But it's always been shaky, with fault lines all thru it. Both America and Canada and later Mexico gave up bits of their sovereignty as nations, their independence for that agreement.

God is for national borders, for nations to have their own land, identity, laws etc.

Covenants like NAFTA set aside those boundaries in pursuit of profits. The seeds of destruction are sown back in the beginnings of such things.
 
It will work out as the Lord allows. I think something you said- I think it was you @TCC --about the accidental nature of Trump setting some of his advisors in place who would be able to push forward (without realizing) some of the necessary economics for the world after the Rapture. I would agree. He is in place to do God's will at this point in history. We have enough of the future written in the Bible to know how things end up, maybe not enough to know how they get there.

God is in control. Even (especially) when things happen that appear really puzzling like this.

I see economic failure of Canada up ahead, sooner rather than later under Mark Carney the new PM.

If the world fractures into 10 economic zones, Canada would fold into the USA but it's hard to look at that future knowing what my family has fought for. My Christian grandfather fought in WW 1, and he lost 2 of his 3 brothers over there. My father was preparing to go to Korea when the ceasefire took place. Too young for WW2.

Grandfather was a Bible and prophecy teacher when he wasn't being a lawyer. He got me memorizing Scripture as a little girl. I loved him dearly.

There is nothing we can do to change the timing of the Tribulation, we can't delay it, any more than we can speed up the Rapture. God is in charge. And He is in charge of nations and their leaders.

It is painful seeing Mark Carney as Prime Minister. His name as I mentioned - is Mark and the last name Carney is a latin root for Flesh. Mark of the Flesh. He is a personal friend of Trudeau, and one who believes the same things with a little more strength I think. Worse, Canada is turning away from Poilievre the Conservative leader and embracing Carney as the leader of the Liberals- who will "fight" Trump.

A long time back John Turner also a Liberal and a former Prime Minister warned us against ever going into NAFTA - he said something to the effect that it was better not to lock into a contract like this, it would be bad for Canada and he was right.

NAFTA set the stage for this. The other agreement built on NAFTA. But it's always been shaky, with fault lines all thru it. Both America and Canada and later Mexico gave up bits of their sovereignty as nations, their independence for that agreement.

God is for national borders, for nations to have their own land, identity, laws etc.

Covenants like NAFTA set aside those boundaries in pursuit of profits. The seeds of destruction are sown back in the beginnings of such things.
Thanks Margery. Yes I appreciate you seeing what you share. It sounds like you are rather concerned with how Canada may be going even in the short to current term. If Trump is going to have a successful presidency, he will need to be of help to Canada in some significant respects as far as I would understand. Because they are our neighbor. Mexico has the cartel issue. So that could be rougher. But Canada should be a strategic economic partner. I understand Trump's issues with globalism and the leftist EU spirit. How that translates and interacts in the short term with Canada can be a wild card of sorts. My understanding of the Trump agenda is America first. But in the sense of upending global monetary coercion-- which of course Is a huge undertaking, I believe that is the aim here. How effective it will be might be dependent on our view of how the last stage of the age of grace might go. Most in evangelicalism will see it getting darker not brighter. Me on the other hand sees it getting brighter as it gets darker. But that is not much of a consolation seeing one's own country be chewed by radicals. We survived four years of Biden who never really was even in charge. So the USA does feel your pain. There is no truly great America without Canada (a whole 3rd of America). My guess would be within Trump's 4 year term for Canada to become more prosperous and in congruence with USA economics. It not be so much about tariffs...etc. To me this is about plundering the globalist regime. I believe that is likely the way it goes. Maybe not. But if so, we should see some good things for Canada ahead.

In my view it would be about what God is doing more than Trump though. He is just a man. From everything I have come to understand over 8 years that would be to plunder the NWO. That to me is where it goes. How Canada looks in that picture I don't really know. But if it becomes an act of God it would be good for Canada and Mexico. Just maybe some painful turnabouts along the way. As Canada had Trudeau for years and the US had Biden for some years (sort of...lol), yeah it has a lot of dark threads on our story board. Perhaps things all go south and Trump's admin wheels fall off...always a possibility and the rapture hastened. But the main focus for me in all of this is Israel. Not really Aemrica or Trump. But that seems to be the tool God most likely to use to bring Israel peace and safety. If Trumps America only runs around putting out fires he starts, Israel will be plunder worthy over the course of a few years...but in what sense will they be in peace and safety? With a strong America it makes sense. With a weak and tossed about America to me it makes no sense. Unless peace and safety comes from a later reign of king Barron.

In the way expressed, perhaps not meant (so i'm winging this here) is the sense of the 10 nation confederacy being the whole world. It sounds like you might evnision it to be this way. I have tended to see them as "part" of the world, though, for me. It is true that it will become a hammer to the whole earth. But personally I don't believe it arrives on day 1. Or that it even brings us into the tribulation. I would see that evolve during the first half, more so. And perhaps Mystery Babylon not even be in place itself until the second half of the tribulation (likely not until after AC downs 3 of the confederates). So in general, the way I look at it is that there is likely more of the age of grace that pours into the tribulation than the tribulation pours into the age of grace. So to me, it would be like looking for things forming now that won't take place maybe possibly until the second or third year even in and during the tribulation itself. Which if true, would make potential fantasy views of our own day we are currently living in. Dark fantasies, potentially even. Becoming a people of the most loving & love hope all things/we are victorious in Him, God...be tempted into dark fantasy potential during our last days alive perhaps in ways. Finishing not as wholistically as perhaps well in that respect as might be most cherished in His glorious charter unto the end. But my sense is not so much in finishing well or not. As much as God's character is a feature perhaps of end times more than maybe a tendency to overlay our understanding of scripture in how we understand our current times and based things off of our understanding of end times scripture (where it might be more relevant based in the eternal character of God). But just saying. Thanks for sharing dear sister.
 
For the record, Australia never followed through with COIV internment camps
They did lose guns though in 1996 (very rigid restrictions--no self defense etc). Are you in Australia brother? I'm grateful the camps faded. We did see some setup initially. What I mean in general by what I said is you have the 5 Eyes Western Intelligence agencies. Only 1 has a US Constitution. So rolling out pressure points to tame the West into global submission from what I understand is usually tested not in the USA first. Australia would be one candidate. We see Europe has been for sure. My point mainly that globalism will use countries they can push around a lot more before fine tuning it enough for the US, is generally my understanding. The US Constitution is the globalist prize. Take that down, and the power of reason increasingly becomes a ward of the state.
 
They did lose guns though in 1996 (very rigid restrictions--no self defense etc). Are you in Australia brother? I'm grateful the camps faded. We did see some setup initially. What I mean in general by what I said is you have the 5 Eyes Western Intelligence agencies. Only 1 has a US Constitution. So rolling out pressure points to tame the West into global submission from what I understand is usually tested not in the USA first. Australia would be one candidate. We see Europe has been for sure. My point mainly that globalism will use countries they can push around a lot more before fine tuning it enough for the US, is generally my understanding. The US Constitution is the globalist prize. Take that down, and the power of reason increasingly becomes a ward of the state.
Yes you are correct in reference to taking our guns away because there were too many mass shootings at the time and since then they have dramatically decreased since they implemented that law so i don't really have any qualms about owning i gun for self defense.

I understand you guys feel different with gun rights but that's an issue i don't really care to debate.
 
Yes you are correct in reference to taking our guns away because there were too many mass shootings at the time and since then they have dramatically decreased since they implemented that law so i don't really have any qualms about owning i gun for self defense.

I understand you guys feel different with gun rights but that's an issue i don't really care to debate.

No worries. At the end of the day, it is God who protects. In reading some about it, I could actually empathize with the way it works in Australia. In light of how much coordinated effort there is from globalism worldwide like we saw with COVID, some features of how that all works was a bit more disclosed for the world in those years. From that standpoint, in the US, there are some who hold to a view that mass shootings can typically be a byproduct of globalism Hegalian Dialectic. A phrase I am often typically against. But I do believe has a place nonetheless. In the US, during the Obama years we had a significant increase in mass shooting too. But it was not something that could make its way enough into the courts. Some in the states would understand this as mass shootings cause be globlaists architects desiring an outcome. Something like COVID.

Although I do share that view, and do see some places for Hagelian Dialectic as valid, the sentiment of arms removal from society would tend to be something of concern during a beast system literal rollout. In a one world government scenario, that would be I believe where lack of self defense against the government would be the globalist objective. But as one who sees a very strong difference between the age of grace and the age of tribulation, and one world government won't be an issue for the age of grace citizens. Most societies will make it through just fine either way. :)

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I was not aware you are in Australia. Cool. 2 years before COVID I met a young lady online who lives in Sydney. She was just waking up to the fact that it seemed end time-ee like. lol. We had some different views biblically. But she was really encouraged to find out about the concept of commentaries as a way to get a sense on some biblical themes. She was of the belief that OSAS was not biblical. She was a content creator and told me that was going to be her next video. I let her know that that is a pretty heavily argued arena. But if she was up for the task, she would do well to be prepared for what was a very family loving video comment section for her would become a bit more gritty in any event. We talked about it a bit. She saw my reasons for OSAS, which I am. But I really like her and knew that God would teach her along the way. So I said, "Well, if you are convinced on OSAS not being biblical, the place I would start is Hosea." Because she thought being disobedient to God was like us divorcing Him. My hope was that using that book would kind of strike at the core of the character of God issue against a non-OSAS backdrop. But she did not get even that far. It would seem God already was working on her heart. And she decided not to do that video. We had quite the indepth discussions for such an impersonal environment as the internet. My orientation of Australia is beautiful...


Blessings.
 
No worries. At the end of the day, it is God who protects. In reading some about it, I could actually empathize with the way it works in Australia. In light of how much coordinated effort there is from globalism worldwide like we saw with COVID, some features of how that all works was a bit more disclosed for the world in those years. From that standpoint, in the US, there are some who hold to a view that mass shootings can typically be a byproduct of globalism Hegalian Dialectic. A phrase I am often typically against. But I do believe has a place nonetheless. In the US, during the Obama years we had a significant increase in mass shooting too. But it was not something that could make its way enough into the courts. Some in the states would understand this as mass shootings cause be globlaists architects desiring an outcome. Something like COVID.

Although I do share that view, and do see some places for Hagelian Dialectic as valid, the sentiment of arms removal from society would tend to be something of concern during a beast system literal rollout. In a one world government scenario, that would be I believe where lack of self defense against the government would be the globalist objective. But as one who sees a very strong difference between the age of grace and the age of tribulation, and one world government won't be an issue for the age of grace citizens. Most societies will make it through just fine either way. :)

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I was not aware you are in Australia. Cool. 2 years before COVID I met a young lady online who lives in Sydney. She was just waking up to the fact that it seemed end time-ee like. lol. We had some different views biblically. But she was really encouraged to find out about the concept of commentaries as a way to get a sense on some biblical themes. She was of the belief that OSAS was not biblical. She was a content creator and told me that was going to be her next video. I let her know that that is a pretty heavily argued arena. But if she was up for the task, she would do well to be prepared for what was a very family loving video comment section for her would become a bit more gritty in any event. We talked about it a bit. She saw my reasons for OSAS, which I am. But I really like her and knew that God would teach her along the way. So I said, "Well, if you are convinced on OSAS not being biblical, the place I would start is Hosea." Because she thought being disobedient to God was like us divorcing Him. My hope was that using that book would kind of strike at the core of the character of God issue against a non-OSAS backdrop. But she did not get even that far. It would seem God already was working on her heart. And she decided not to do that video. We had quite the indepth discussions for such an impersonal environment as the internet. My orientation of Australia is beautiful...


Blessings.
Nice yeah i'm from the city of Sydney as well but live further north west from the city
 
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