The Occult Strategy to Destroy the West: Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, and Nick Fuentes

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This section seems to be the most fitting for this video. It is an hour long. And it deals quite a bit with false eschatological views influence on our politics of today. Joel does a really good overview on this subject matter. He is not a dispensationalist. But offers the kind of scholarship that respects and appreciates it as its place in our day. There are doctrines he holds that I would not, nor would this forum, But this is a Fascinating overview. And he stays pretty much in his respective lane.

 

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I’ll try to watch it, but you’ve got an insightful title!

It’s interesting to me how many secular folks are considering demonic influence in both Tucker & Candace Owens.

One of my friends sees it too. (Prayers for her soul to come to Jesus.) I’ll share my perspective. I trace both Candace & Tucker knocking on Hell’s door when they traveled to Romania to help Andrew Tate appear as a normal guy.

Anyhow, I’m glad people are considering demonic influence, and may they seek God.

 

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For those not familiar with Joel's ministry he did a movie series several years ago going into Iran and documenting the explosion toward Christ in that country. The title is I believe "Among Wolves." Joel, to me, is the most level headed real world scholarly types to come out of the Christian Television ilk. He is partial to Michael Heiser (whom I am generally not...but in pockets, yes) and tries to provide thorough reasons why he believes this or that. I don't agree with him on some key issues. But I have always found him to have a sensibility about him.

If interest in "Joel potential" in shorter order, this is a 23 minute video that does a decent job looking at Tucker from a rather unique angle. Joel is not a political commentator and I don't recall hearing too much politically coming out of him over the years. I believe what is happening today is politics is merging into religion in uncomfortable ways. Joel briefly touched on Trumps AI image post. Joel does not believe Trump was trying to portray Christ. It would seem Trump defending himself that he thought it was a doctor makes not a lot of sense to people. But I would say Joel likely hit as close to home as it gets on something this bizarre. And that would be Trump being Trump and trying to be outrageous as usual. Kind of like Trump being the "Liberace" (this is how the renowned entertainer spelled his name) of memes.

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I’ll try to watch it, but you’ve got an insightful title!

It’s interesting to me how many secular folks are considering demonic influence in both Tucker & Candace Owens.

One of my friends sees it too. (Prayers for her soul to come to Jesus.) I’ll share my perspective. I trace both Candace & Tucker knocking on Hell’s door when they traveled to Romania to help Andrew Tate appear as a normal guy.

Anyhow, I’m glad people are considering demonic influence, and may they seek God.

Amen sister. whether they are demon possessed or not, if that appearance leads people to Christ, amen. I 100% agree with your observation on Andrew Tate. Since he was a friend of Candace's husband, I guess there is some room to maybe see why in that sort of way she would be blind (or it may just be this is the modern day version of a woman who mistakes alpha zeitgeist for virtue in men--such as we even see in how many churches operating today on similar principles...like those personality cult versions).

I believe we are the age of alpha (a time when we go from genZ to genAlpha). Although as we seem to be the age of alpha, we ironically seem to as much be also the age of the beta male. We have seen the leftist push for the praise of the beta male--something the state makes into its conforming image, seeing virtue in submission to popular political opinions of the globalist age. Social engineering society into the submissive wife of the state mentality. As believers we are to obey the government. But that is different than the government weaning us off of rugged sensibility and transplanting people from real to fake "reality check" soil...like alluring us into utter false reality like becoming "furries" (a popular "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest" Tik Tok trend--making Americans see virtue in silly putty logic) and being ok with transgendering our own children per state oder...etc. Sad and evil, yes. But I believe these are likely just pitstops along the path of transforming humanity into an obedient hive mind of and for the state. The ultimate totalitarian dream. I saw one video recently where they believe that the underground billionaire bunkers is protection possibly against mass genocide. And the goal would be mass extinction so the rich can be few and hoard the resources...replacing humanity itself with robotics. If i were a sick billionaire, i'd think it kind of takes the fun out of being powerful if i don't have millions of living human slaves where I can see my self as superior. Having machines around only I think would take some of the pride out of what ruling the masses incentives are kind of all about. Who wants to be king of the consciousness electronic moving parts? So i guess on that note i would just say that I don't believe the super rich want to eliminate people altogether. Perhaps its closer to the Georgia Guidestone 500 million?

I just paint the above picture because i believe conceptual overviews and overlays can be helpful in what potential agendas are trafficking like and possibly for what purpose. But to deceive so as for people not to believe, I would say as you had shared above, yes. Not sure if Tucker or Candace are demon possessed. But we can be sure that there are very powerful demonic forces with severe agendas keeping us from believing. There is another way though I believe Candace and Tucker are helpful. They help inform us of the trends in our age. And what those trends may suggest. To keep this post shorter, I'd just defer to this article as exhibit A. I believe the influence Candace has can be demonic. But there is also likely importance in understanding too how those who may favor her are thinking--and what this can possibly be implying. And how their generational vote matters or may matter. If Gen Z is shifting too far off the beaten political path...politics as we know it would also likely change. This article is from a political commentator i have liked to a degree over the years. The article sides with Candace. I don't. But what is helpful to see in an article like this is what is perhaps more valuable than our views on Candace. Her affect. Her aftermath. And i would say this article in that sense captures an accurate pulse that is perhaps a pulse easier to take as we go. Because it could tend to become one of the more increasingly pronounced public heart rates competing for social legitimacy.

https://www.vornews.com/politics/candace-owens-and-genz/

PS -- I've always thought that Tucker/Candace defense of Andrew Tate would say a lot about their idea of what freedom of speech and true liberty looks like. lol. An alpha male with cognitive dissonance (and one that excludes the Trump version of that). Andrew Tate thinks Islam is more masculine than American versions of patty-cake Christianity. Unfortunately there is observable truth about the latter. That kind of public shaming of Tate toward Christianity might work on Muslims (like in how the Apologetics Roadshow channel on youtube knows that Islam responds better to insult...also in like how in parts of the middle east if you pay full price for something and don't bargain down the price you are considered a push-over and weak kind of mentality). But I don't think shaming Christianity works all that well in the USA. I think we have been kind of conditioned by the state in unawares. Covid revealed the civil (cold war like) war in the church on whether or not to follow government health mandates when it is clearly totalitarianism...infringing on and closing churches. On one extreme we have the likes of Canadian pastor Artur Pawlowski having word rabies foaming out of his mouth (the "ultimate" twenty-first century victim made hero). And on the other extreme we have churches shaming other churches for not shutting down and bending the knee the Ceaser. Instead of that what i have seen Christianity respond to is being educated. Which is an awesome trait for the church to have. Amen.

The above is the kind of thing i meant earlier Hol in effects on me from Calvinism. I wanted to be the dog gone best Stockholm Syndrome "subject" the Authoritarian American Calvinist Lordship system might manufacture ( Because that would seem what they esteem for me to be). And call it virtue.

 

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Respectfully, Joel Richardson gives me great pause. His eschatological views are definitely not mainstream. In fact, in the Who's Who of Bible Prophecy he is warned against. (You can find that information in our stickied thread: Who's Who In Bible Prophecy? .) He is a historic pre-millennialist but non-dispensational. And believes the antichrist will be Islamic. Treat his teachings with caution; do your own due diligence with Scripture.

 

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Respectfully, Joel Richardson gives me great pause. His eschatological views are definitely not mainstream. In fact, in the Who's Who of Bible Prophecy he is warned against. (You can find that information in our stickied thread: Who's Who In Bible Prophecy? .) He is a historic pre-millennialist but non-dispensational. And believes the antichrist will be Islamic. Treat his teachings with caution; do your own due diligence with Scripture.

Thanks Pastor. I appreciate the warning and leaving things intact (if that so may remain). Appreciated. Yes Joel's take on eschatology I believe is flawed. On that note though what he seems to emulate as a believer (to me he seems to be a genuine believer) is a mature and respectful platform of discussion. Some bad or false teaching cannot afford diplomacy I would say (like for example Doug Wilson). But I would say the thing i probably like about Joel the most is where it kind of interlinks with something I believe to be a somewhat real potential in eschatology...and that might be a potential to learn from one another from where perspectives may not clash as much. Where concerns of heresy are present, it is understandable to keep clear of...but for me, just saying personally, Joel would be the kind of alter-denominational pocket where some perspectives from his research may have a place to add toward the whole of the general direction things are trending. Like perhaps Joel could be helpful in the contemporary Christian journey perspective. Having said that though, I will appreciate the forum's concerns and stay clear of future Joel postings. But as an example, I don't think i would have seen this kind of clarity on Tucker outside of this perspective. Are there other sources that might be better helpful perhaps where these kinds of details are somewhat robustly addressed? If so I'd love to check them out. Blessings.

 

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PS @mattfivefour -- Just a brief background on where I might stand on AC as a Muslim leader perspective. I don't think so. In my final years at GCC (Macarthur's church) I sat in the parking lot reading Galatians 4. And thought, wow, I wonder if all these Muslims moving into the Western world is some kind of echo like standoff of emerging of Christianity and Islam (like Ishmael vs Issaac). And at the time (this was prior to a shift in Christianity to consider a Califate AC version). I shared with some I thought what might be happening in the world seems to be some kind poetic revisit to Gal 4 attesting to this very biblical theme of the children of the flesh being against the children of the spirit kind of vibe...but like on a global scale. Like, did God just make the West a living pop-up book version of Galatians 4 and revisit to the Abraham/Issac story testify of its genuine origin to still centuries later to still be so vividly seen and something to have to deal with in our age. As I look back, this seems to be a globalist ploy (the Arab Spring) in cultural merge than perhaps some Crusades Age like standoff.

A couple years later (in my very last months at GCC) this teaching became popular there. That the AC would be the 12th Emam. By this time I think I already got that whole "Muslim world shift into the West theme" thing out of my system. Just thinking "then" maybe 50 years later what the world might look like if that continued. GCC shifted toward the Muslim AC concept from that of the Pope. Of course the pope being AC is a very old reformed trope. But I never really saw the pope as a candidate for AC. Maybe false prophet. But seeing GCC going from one version of seeing the AC to another did not impress me very much. Inside i was tapping my foot wondering where they were a few years back in getting a hold of what it might mean to see the West actually become Muslim nations...lol.

The way i look at that now, a Muslim AC, is kind of the same way i might look at the AC being a Jewish leader. If so, it would be in what God might provide. But i don't see the AC as a Jewish leader or an Islamic one. I guess I would see both of those views as extremes or eschatological crutches of need to have some level of certainty. The one feature I might share with the Islam as AC view is not that the AC will be Muslim. I think Daniel 11:37 rules out both Jewish and Islamic avenues in that. Plus the way God shows "the little" horn motif is not seemingly from a religious order (consistent with Daniel 11:37). I guess I just chalk up the AC as Muslim view as the part of the house we have to walk through that has cloths and food thrown all over the place. My view on AC that shares a fraction with the heretical view (although i am not convinced i observed this from Joel--I normally stay away from his eschatology)? Daniels statue has two legs. I believe most see this as Rome. Both legs. I would lean toward Constantinople (Istanbul) as one of the legs and not both Rome. In that sense the AC to me could arise from the East or the West. Unless there are other scriptures to rule that out. If so, i am open. I went to that forum link you posted pastor to see if there was any low hanging fruit research revealing a take on the two legs of Daniel concept. But i did not see any. What i did find was pretty interesting. Thanks for posting that link

I don't go all that hardcore study on the AC because the church won't be here. And there is too much fascination with it. I think there are other things to focus on that could bring more clarity than an extremely difficult one as the very ID of the AC. If we look at how confused the world and the church is just post COVID? Good luck to us thinking we can know who the AC is. But then again, the tribulation saints will. No doubt. So there is that.

I just wanted to conclude this post with something stated in the Who's Who section you mentioned. This was under Joel Richardson...

FROM WHO IS WHO ESCHATOLOGICAL FORUM LINK
"While a number of prophecy scholars disagree, his research is a worthwhile study, though he agrees with a post-tribulation rapture view. He is co-founder with Dalton Thomas of Maranatha, a global fellowship of churches and ministries at maranathaglobal.com."

Blessings.