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It will be interesting to hear what JD says about the results of the election. I may have to void my long standing practice of only reading his transcripts of his update, but they dont post them until Thursday.
Ok I am having trouble with the logic of this statement. How does one person not voting help one candidate or the other? To my way of thinking not voting helps neither candidate. It didn't help Harris because she lost the election and it didn't help Trump win because he still won. Please help me to understand the logic of not voting helping one candidate over another.
If a republican does not vote, that helps the Dems, because of one less vote for the GOP.
Exactly every vote counts
Ok you are assuming a person is a Republican. How do you know that? What if they are an Independent? I am a registered independent so I know they exist. Even if a Republican does not vote, it does not help a Democrat Candidate especially in the Presidential race. If memory serves me correctly Hillary Clinton won the popular vote but lost based on the electoral college in which Trump won the Presidency. So a lot more people voted for Clinton in 2016 than they did for Trump. Does that mean those supporting Clinton that did not vote hurt her chances? It turns out that Trump to the states that gave him the highest electoral votes and won in spite of the fact that the majority popular vote went to Clinton. I am still not understanding the line of thinking that if a person chooses not to vote it helps one candidate over another.
Again, I repeat Hillary had a higher popular vote count in the 2016 election but Trump won the electoral vote by winning in the states that gave him that higher electoral vote even though less people nation wide voted for Clinton. As single missed vote does not change the election since at that national level electoral votes are a representative vote for the people of a given state. I can see where every electoral vote counts but not where every individual vote does. That we have historically seen 5 time in the US where the winning and ultimately seated President did not win the plurality of popular and electoral vote. I learned that way back in Civics class. Have I missed something since I left Jr. High?
You over analyze this way to much for me.
In 48 of 50 states is generally falls along the lines of state majority. In two states with several electoral votes it then goes by districts in that state. Each vote goes by what the associated district decide hence in such a state, Nebraska is one some electoral votes go to the dems and others go to the reps. It is an interesting read how it works out. I think in Hillary's case she got the majority of one of those state votes as most them are odd number but not all the electoral votes so not enough to hit that magic number o 270. Hillary's districts gave her a higher popular vote but other districts in the state gave more electoral votes to Trump.
There in lies the problem. The right to vote is a right NOT an OBLIGATION. Hence the same right to vote is also a right not to vote. Who are we as citizens to tell other how to live their civil rights? I say we have no say in what others decide to do when it comes to elections save telling others not to commit violence nor prohibit others for exercising their right to do as they choose. I believe in real liberty not the lip service many give and yet turn around and want to demand of others to do things they way they decide. You do you, I do me and what ever anyone else does as long as it is legal and peaceful is none of anybody elses business.
I agree that if large numbers of people choose not to vote in one party it could possibly sway the election one way or another. But the essence of this conversation is on one man JD not voting. His single vote means nothing in the larger scale of this election or any other for that matter. If we keep this to the point of one man choosing not to vote then it does not get distorted in to some ping pong balls off the walls every where kind of discussion.
There are two are two ways I could take this statement and both are valid understandings. First is by saying you are a spirit filled born again Christian and you BELIEVE we have an obligation then those who disagree are not spirit filled nor born again Christians. You laid the foundation for that point of view. The other is that as spirit filed born again Christians our secular legal rights as citizens of a free nation are their invalidated negating our civil rights. Again this is tying two different concepts to the same thing which are in reality separate. By the same token since this is all based on JD's claim not to vote you are judging him to be not spirit filled and born again. So that begs the question who among us have the authority to judge JD such? I would say only God does.
In the days of Mathew 5:13-16 Salt had two purposes. One as a preservative of meats and two as a flavor enhancer of food. Now JD is a Pastor who teaches from the Bible book by book and stress the Gospel with his idea of the ABCs with every sermon. So is he not standing for what Jesus called us to do? Is he not standing against things like murder of the unborn? Does he not call out in in BPUs the corruption of government at all levels? Then how can we say he is not the salt Jesus called Christians to be. Then there is light. It is there to chase away the darkness. Did not after the Lahaina fires take all the food stores his church had collected for their own use if needed and turn it over to another preacher in Maui to distribute among those in need in and around Maui? Was that not the light of love shinning for all the world to see? So how then can we imply he is not both salt and light that Jesus called for? Just because he chose not to vote in this election makes him an ordained Bible believing, Bible teaching pastor is some how not a spirit filled born again Christian?
Again, the attempt to imply if one person decides to not vote then many more will not vote yet that does not explain why so many states claim they have seen the highest turn out in my years at the polls. Now Harris took Hawaii. Now according to how electoral votes go, Hawaii is an all or nothing state. That is of its 4 electoral votes all of them go the way of the popular vote. So with Harris getting 312,384 and Trump getting 193,169 a difference of 119,215 votes. Trump got less than half of the votes that Harris got so would JD's vote changed anything. Maybe he has a better read on his state and community than the rest of us and knew his time was better spent ministering to those in need being true salt and light up close and personal than all of us combined.
So who is to say that JD was not standing for what is good and right in other ways that we can't see. We can't but given his know public history chances are very high he was doing what a good pastor is called to do and teach the Word and minister to the flock. We do no for sure on election day he was busy getting ready for his regular Tuesday prayer service so it seems obvious he was being the salt and light he always seems to be not withstanding he is still a sinful human like all the rest of us.
Ok so how is JD not voting in a state where his one vote for your candidate of choice was not cast but would have had no difference. As I said above the popular vote in Hawaii was more than 2 to 1 in favor of Harris over Trump and as an all for the popular vote goes in that state what chance would his one vote changed anything much less been a sin against God. Who are we to say God did not have other plans for JD to do other things to stand for what is good and right and as you put it "in whatever fashion God povided JD." We can't determine that because we don't know God's mind nor desires for what JD is to be doing. It is safe to say as I said before his history seems to point to the fact that he is doing God's will and spreading the Word and preaching Salvation as he is reaching around the world where people from non speaking countries are taking it upon themselves to translate every BPU and Sermon into the their own language and share it with their own people. It seems to me JD is doing a whole lot more than all of us combined. Likewise he is is busy helping those in need like those in Lahaina after the fire by working with other pastors to get his churches stores to Maui to be distributed and by passing government confiscation so it really got to those in need.
Not at all. I have much enjoyed JD's preaching and teaching over the years. I think he is a good example to his flock and I have no doubt at all that he is most definitely both born again and therefore Spirit-filled.
