RFK Jr. Claims Biden’s HHS ‘Became a Collaborator in Child Trafficking’

[TCC]

RFK Jr. Claims Biden's HHS 'Became a Collaborator in Child Trafficking'

HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. claimed that HHS under the Biden administration had been a "collaborator in child trafficking."

www.breitbart.com

Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. claimed that HHS under former President Joe Biden’s administration had been a “collaborator in child trafficking,” sex, and slavery.

During a Trump administration cabinet meeting on Wednesday, Kennedy thanked President Donald Trump for his “extraordinary leadership over the past 100 days” of his administration. Kennedy highlighted how HHS and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) had announced that petroleum-based synthetic food dyes would be phased out of the United States’ food supply.

 

[GLC11]

RFK Jr. Claims Biden's HHS 'Became a Collaborator in Child Trafficking'

HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. claimed that HHS under the Biden administration had been a "collaborator in child trafficking."

www.breitbart.com

Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. claimed that HHS under former President Joe Biden’s administration had been a “collaborator in child trafficking,” sex, and slavery.

During a Trump administration cabinet meeting on Wednesday, Kennedy thanked President Donald Trump for his “extraordinary leadership over the past 100 days” of his administration. Kennedy highlighted how HHS and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) had announced that petroleum-based synthetic food dyes would be phased out of the United States’ food supply.

From the article:

“During the Biden administration, HHS became a collaborator in child trafficking and for sex and for slavery. And, we have ended that, and we are very aggressively going out and trying to find these children — 300,000 children that were lost by the Biden administration.”

In November 2024, Breitbart News’s John Binder reported that a HHS whistleblower from the Biden-Harris administration claimed the administration had created a “white glove delivery service” in which the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) took custody of Unaccompanied Alien Children (UAC) at the U.S.-Mexico border, and then handed them over to the HHS:

During testimony this month before two subcommittees of the House Homeland Security Committee, Tara Lee Rodas detailed the process by which the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) takes custody of Unaccompanied Alien Children (UAC) at the southern border before they are handed over to HHS custody, which then places them with adult sponsors in the U.S.

The whistleblower, Tara Lee Rodas continued to note that these children were “preparing to work grueling overnight shifts in slaughterhouses, restaurants, and factories,” adding that “some children may die today in jobs they don’t have the knowledge or skills to do in order to repay never-ending debts to their smugglers and traffickers.”

Rodas also added that children were “being sold for sex.”

“For at least a decade, HHS has been responsible for the suffering of countless children,” Rodas continued.

Breitbart News’s Warner Todd Huston reportedin February that the Trump administration was investigating the “lack of vetting of migrant children” under the Biden-Harris administration. Under the Biden administration “some 291,000” UAC were also brought into the U.S., and the “Trump administration fears that many of these children have ended up in the hands of sexual predators and human traffickers.”

 

[Hol]

Pure evil

 

[TCC]

From the article:

“During the Biden administration, HHS became a collaborator in child trafficking and for sex and for slavery. And, we have ended that, and we are very aggressively going out and trying to find these children — 300,000 children that were lost by the Biden administration.”

In November 2024, Breitbart News’s John Binder reported that a HHS whistleblower from the Biden-Harris administration claimed the administration had created a “white glove delivery service” in which the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) took custody of Unaccompanied Alien Children (UAC) at the U.S.-Mexico border, and then handed them over to the HHS:


The whistleblower, Tara Lee Rodas continued to note that these children were “preparing to work grueling overnight shifts in slaughterhouses, restaurants, and factories,” adding that “some children may die today in jobs they don’t have the knowledge or skills to do in order to repay never-ending debts to their smugglers and traffickers.”

Rodas also added that children were “being sold for sex.”

“For at least a decade, HHS has been responsible for the suffering of countless children,” Rodas continued.

Breitbart News’s Warner Todd Huston reportedin February that the Trump administration was investigating the “lack of vetting of migrant children” under the Biden-Harris administration. Under the Biden administration “some 291,000” UAC were also brought into the U.S., and the “Trump administration fears that many of these children have ended up in the hands of sexual predators and human traffickers.”

Thanks for highlighting that GLC. We recently see at the political level some concerns in heart and care we share with our dear sister @Margery in Cananda. And how it must feel to be a nation under the roughshod antics of Trump. I honestly don't like giving Trump slack where he does not deserve it. And sometimes, honestly, it just looks ugly the way Trump operates at times. If it were a movie, he'd be one of the characters you love and kind of don't very much at all, all at the same time.

My reply to Margery in general in discussion on that might seem a bit over the top. Sometimes it totally sounds that way to me too. That i'm Captian "Over the Top." But the general theme and underpinning of what is meant by my perhaps having such views are more like in sync with the kinds of things you disclose in this article. Things like this, what you underscored, are horrific to consider how bad it is and how deep the rabbit hole goes. Symptoms of an age where seeing politics as usual may leave much to be desired though...when considering how bad "what time it is" might actually be. How incredibly evil systematics had become.

In general to us, we don't go around thinking how dark everything could be all the time. And it is healthy of course we do not. But if we are alive now at a time where what is being revealed to us about our day and is hard to appreciate the revelation thereof and might cause us mostly to consider the dark being revealed (more than the fact it is finally being uncovered as a grace to our age), it can make us perhaps overly depressed, or in some ways perhaps cynical (not that you are demonstrating that though).

The reason I keep an open eye for these kinds of developments is that both COVID and Russia/Ukrain war seem to be earmark symptoms of a global reset. While half the world is thinking a global reset is fiction and the other half seeing everything is just theater and its all deception...it is likely, when considering these two extremes, that the truth lies somewhere in the sober middle of that. So, I believe it is understood--but stating for the record even though, though, the reason I am attracted to some dark themes like this article is not so much what could be considered on its face, "evil porn." Or some fixation on the dark. Again I don't think I'm coming across like that. But just stating for the record of why I do.

Its for two main reasons. 1) We have no idea how bad things actually are. And 2) We have no idea how much God might just be really interested in helping us see it. With the primary objective of the 2 being the latter as an earmark of our age. I say that because as we see things being revealed to us, a tendency can be to see mostly the evil. And perhaps minor on the perhaps not so obvious aperture accompanying the evil we see. I believe the salient take-away is "Look at God revealing to us--a grace, a mercy." That. With the drama and trauma associated with the evil shown to us, the revealing of it can at times take second fiddle. I'm just noting here that in looking at these things I believe it is actually first fiddle. And if true, what we are seeing today, will likely be nothing in comparison to what we are likely about to see down the road.

It is in that light I share my replies to our sister Margery. A world context where "revealing" may well likely become so grand a feature, it may well render other normal political anomalies we consider with good faith value, somewhat mute by comparison. A position not too well in focus at this point for most. But as you highlight details from this article, the breadcrumbs are coming into focus, is kind of what it looks like to me. We will have to see of course. But I just wanted to take this opportunity to underscore in some ways why my political leanings might seem a bit "out there" at times. If true, it is because what sling shot elements to be flung at our faces in the not too distant future will likely be tables being turned over like we never imagined. Not ideas I hold because of some prophetic insight. The storyboard pieces in review are in plain sight typically and of common research in the commons. Its more like the low hanging graffiti fruit that can easily be overlooked if we are looking completely in other directions for other things. Just that.

So like one example I shared with Margery was how we typically consider Bitcoin. We see it as digital beast system enslavement. Now, in the tribulation, something like that might become the case. Amen. We are not ignorant. But in the age of grace, Bitcoin may have a very different function. This of course is speculation. But if speculation is anything, the themes I had been looking into were the same themes surrounding gold to wildly become more valuable. And as we see, this has come to pass. Not prophesy. Just ear to the ground social sensativities as to what themes are actually politically in play. Interesting to note, no one in the church predicted gold to rise as it has. But ironically we do see plenty of voices chiding Trump's golden age as bunk. Of course, we will have to see. But the irony is that while some in the church see a golden age as bunk (understandably so), gold itself rose to unprecidented value regardless what we lable our age. And this, in contrast to the church having no idea gold would rise like that. But many are certain that a golden age is myth. While the very thing they could not see rise, is still rising right beneath the feet of some thinking to be keener in discernment. Discernment of what the age can or cannot be like, while having had a blind eye to the very fact gold rose anyway. And "still" not being aware of that inconsistency.

My perspective, although tentative (not in my views but in it actually occuring or not), is that Bitcoin rescues us from the evil central banking system that we are "currently now" in. In the age of grace I would see Bitcoin as a good thing, not a beast system thing. Because the age of grace is not the age for the beast system. And God Himself would have the directors cut value on whether or not this is so, I believe. But in anxious thought evangelicalism might have it as double downing on certainty that it must be the beast system now too. But if God operates to us His children of the day in the age of grace, God can make what may become a beast system to an era we are not yet in, to ironically be the "thing that is not" to us the children of the day for our good. And perhaps a signature of good grace intent. But this possibility is found where? Do we find it anywhere? If the things I have been looking in to have any relevance, Bitcoin and gold will likely bring down the FED and end central banking world control. That is not on anyone's radar. And it is even less a desirable for the church to even tentatively "go there." For it is nowhere in our perview. Yet, I guess we will see. So yeah, just using that as an example of sorts I reckon in where I am kind of coming from with some socio-political theme.

So in any event, just wanted to thank your sincere heart to bring forth features in the article we might not observe as intimately in there not so highlighted state, just being in the aricle to read. Blessings dear sister.

 

[Cheeky200386]

I hope those missing children are found and the predators will be judged harshly.

 

[Margery]

I hope those missing children are found and the predators will be judged harshly.

This is one area I'm so thankful for Trump's leadership with RFK! I would like to see the predators put away for life. This scourge is a horrific example of how evil things are.


Sorry to derail the thread a tiny bit but this was interesting and @TCC makes an interesting rabbit trail off the main topic

In the age of grace I would see Bitcoin as a good thing, not a beast system thing. Because the age of grace is not the age for the beast system. ......evangelicalism might have it as double downing on certainty that it must be the beast system now too.

I think it is a good thing, in this present age as well as such things as Elon Musks' Neuralink, or the Real ID. I have been thinking for some time (following some stuff that Britt Gillette has said, along with Patrick Wood, JB Hixson, Mondo Gonzales and others) that the future Central Bank Digital Currency or Bitcoin or whatever digital currency is introduced to "fix" the financial crisis we are just starting in on now, will be backed by gold.

As you point out and I agree, that good thing that helps people now before the Rapture, before the Tribulation, will be used to enslave them after the Rapture and definitely at some point during the Tribulation.

...Bitcoin and gold will likely bring down the FED and end central banking world control. That is not on anyone's radar. And it is even less a desirable for the church to even tentatively "go there." For it is nowhere in our perview. Yet, I guess we will see....

The concept of gold rising is not so much (in my opinion here) a "golden" age (that means different things- To the new ager or the Masonic lodge types a golden age refers way back to a Roman era prophecy from the Sybils- a pagan golden age that is actually referenced in the poem about the Statue of Liberty. That prophecy calls to Saturn to return to create the final golden -satanic- age. It's big in Masonic Lodge stuff AND the occult/New Age. To English and History majors the idea of a "golden age" is a mythical concept that civilizations have at the height of their power),

Gold by itself though remains the same in real value while the dollar value of gold skyrockets. All that means is that the actual value of that paper thing we call a dollar that the govt prints (and devalues) is decreasing, meaning that inflation has decreased the value of the dollar and gold is the indicator that the govt has been busy printing more money than it should.

I think the church does "go there"- at least those ministries that track that sort of thing- because gold is useful like a thermometer is with a child's fever. It tells you accurately the degree of fever the child experiences. The price of gold has always been a useful "thermometer" to spot the devaluation of currency as govts print too much. It is also something people buy when they feel like war is imminent or the paper currency is unsafe.

The fact that we are nearing a time when digital currency must replace the dollar reflects how close the financial system is tracking towards the Tribulation. It is neither good nor bad at this point before the Rapture. After the Rapture it will eventually (mid point of the Trib) become a system that the AC can use to force all to his will or suffer death.

Britt and others I've listened to over the years bring up the idea that probably at the start of any new currency system it will have to be tied to gold to make it work. Like Bretton Woods after WW2 when the world reserve currency became the US dollar.

By the midpoint of the Tribulation there will be tracking and tracing for all who take the mark, and they won't have access to the financial system which says that system needs to be trackable and traceable much like the Digital Euro will be this fall- where cash is no longer allowed, and every transaction is recorded and open to view by the govt. That is also why Real ID is interesting to see appearing, not because it is the Mark, but it's showing a trend to track and trace every person using their biometric data. That's also why those silver globes that Rose brought up in another thread are interesting.

Which is why spotting when digital currencies (the one the BRICS propose is gold backed by the way) start arriving, we are at a stage that is preparing for the Tribulation money system. We know we are even closer when the current financial system begins to fall apart, and various voices keep suggesting going to a digital currency as a fix.

Gold is simply useful as a measurement for any currency. Like the thermometer. If a currency is backed by gold it holds it's own value against all other currencies but when it goes off the gold standard (the USA went off Bretton Woods and no longer had enough gold in Fort Knox to back each paper dollar which was worth exactly so much gold on hand in Fort Know) then the currency value changes. If the govt prints too much (all debt based systems do that) then the value of the dollar falls and we call it inflation. If it gets as bad as it did in Weimar Germany between the wars, then the currency has to be dissolved and replaced.

We aren't there yet, but the market "corrections" and the value of US debt - in bonds show that the system is fragile and teetering on the brink. Pressure on the system like Tariffs, especially when they are seen as unstable makes business people and ordinary people who invest their retirement savings in the market, very very nervous. Markets and US treasury debt (bonds) are only valuable when people trust them.

Sorry about the rabbit trail, back to the child trafficking topic. truly horrifying, so thankful Trump is backing RFK jr's attempts to end this horror.

 

[TCC]

This is one area I'm so thankful for Trump's leadership with RFK! I would like to see the predators put away for life. This scourge is a horrific example of how evil things are.


Sorry to derail the thread a tiny bit but this was interesting and @TCC makes an interesting rabbit trail off the main topic

I think it is a good thing, in this present age as well as such things as Elon Musks' Neuralink, or the Real ID. I have been thinking for some time (following some stuff that Britt Gillette has said, along with Patrick Wood, JB Hixson, Mondo Gonzales and others) that the future Central Bank Digital Currency or Bitcoin or whatever digital currency is introduced to "fix" the financial crisis we are just starting in on now, will be backed by gold.

As you point out and I agree, that good thing that helps people now before the Rapture, before the Tribulation, will be used to enslave them after the Rapture and definitely at some point during the Tribulation.



The concept of gold rising is not so much (in my opinion here) a "golden" age (that means different things- To the new ager or the Masonic lodge types a golden age refers way back to a Roman era prophecy from the Sybils- a pagan golden age that is actually referenced in the poem about the Statue of Liberty. That prophecy calls to Saturn to return to create the final golden -satanic- age. It's big in Masonic Lodge stuff AND the occult/New Age. To English and History majors the idea of a "golden age" is a mythical concept that civilizations have at the height of their power),

Gold by itself though remains the same in real value while the dollar value of gold skyrockets. All that means is that the actual value of that paper thing we call a dollar that the govt prints (and devalues) is decreasing, meaning that inflation has decreased the value of the dollar and gold is the indicator that the govt has been busy printing more money than it should.

I think the church does "go there"- at least those ministries that track that sort of thing- because gold is useful like a thermometer is with a child's fever. It tells you accurately the degree of fever the child experiences. The price of gold has always been a useful "thermometer" to spot the devaluation of currency as govts print too much. It is also something people buy when they feel like war is imminent or the paper currency is unsafe.

The fact that we are nearing a time when digital currency must replace the dollar reflects how close the financial system is tracking towards the Tribulation. It is neither good nor bad at this point before the Rapture. After the Rapture it will eventually (mid point of the Trib) become a system that the AC can use to force all to his will or suffer death.

Britt and others I've listened to over the years bring up the idea that probably at the start of any new currency system it will have to be tied to gold to make it work. Like Bretton Woods after WW2 when the world reserve currency became the US dollar.

By the midpoint of the Tribulation there will be tracking and tracing for all who take the mark, and they won't have access to the financial system which says that system needs to be trackable and traceable much like the Digital Euro will be this fall- where cash is no longer allowed, and every transaction is recorded and open to view by the govt. That is also why Real ID is interesting to see appearing, not because it is the Mark, but it's showing a trend to track and trace every person using their biometric data. That's also why those silver globes that Rose brought up in another thread are interesting.

Which is why spotting when digital currencies (the one the BRICS propose is gold backed by the way) start arriving, we are at a stage that is preparing for the Tribulation money system. We know we are even closer when the current financial system begins to fall apart, and various voices keep suggesting going to a digital currency as a fix.

Gold is simply useful as a measurement for any currency. Like the thermometer. If a currency is backed by gold it holds it's own value against all other currencies but when it goes off the gold standard (the USA went off Bretton Woods and no longer had enough gold in Fort Knox to back each paper dollar which was worth exactly so much gold on hand in Fort Know) then the currency value changes. If the govt prints too much (all debt based systems do that) then the value of the dollar falls and we call it inflation. If it gets as bad as it did in Weimar Germany between the wars, then the currency has to be dissolved and replaced.

We aren't there yet, but the market "corrections" and the value of US debt - in bonds show that the system is fragile and teetering on the brink. Pressure on the system like Tariffs, especially when they are seen as unstable makes business people and ordinary people who invest their retirement savings in the market, very very nervous. Markets and US treasury debt (bonds) are only valuable when people trust them.

Sorry about the rabbit trail, back to the child trafficking topic. truly horrifying, so thankful Trump is backing RFK jr's attempts to end this horror.

Thanks Margery. Yes gold appreciates because the value of US currency deflates. I understand seeing gold rise would not imply a golden age. But rather a collapsing age. I just meant that it is ironic to think a golden age won't occur while gold surpasses its high mark historically. Of course on one hand saying that means: We are entering a golden age because the America currency is losing value...lol. Yeah, that would not be a very bright position. Amen. But it is on the other hand i mean.

What can peg gold rising in value to a potential golden age is in what that can do. If gold keeps rising, it will be exponentially more valuable than the dollar. And can literally pay the national debt with pennies on the dollar. Along the same lines as bitcoin. Symbolical, i believe, if that occurs it would mean gold would be used in decoupling from the FED system. If gold is used in this way, it would mean the central banking system would have been overridden by gold's robust value. If that occurs (and of course yet to be seen), it could be true the FED could be intimidated out of the system by the power of gold.

When i think of the golden age I'm not really referring to how mythologies have put forth that concept historically. I'm thinking of an age where gold might have championing destruction power of the FED. And free world economic enterprise to flourish. In the way I mean it or see it it not so much in terms of a golden age (that is the world's buzz word). I use it out lazy convenience...lol. I use it because it is a concept people relate to. If something like that does occur, I would peg it more to a sliver of the 1,000 year reign taste economically as a witness to Israel. In that sense, it would apocalyptically be a bit more than a golden age.

That likely sounds absurd...lol. I know. My encouragement would be to have eyes on gold and bitcoin as the economics of the age of grace, proper, though. Yes, i believe they have value in the tribulation for us in recognizing the kinds of things that are coming. But if they are related to Israel becoming strong and at peace, their import to us in the age of grace as being that which contributes to Israel's empowerment, then they mean something more significantly in our age of grace than what they later become. Prophetic events on this side of the tribulation. Significance best discerned potentially for their importance in our era. And not just necessarily what they mean in an age we won't experience. My apologies for the rabbit trail. I just think this distinction can be helpful to consider. Blessings.

 

[Margery]

Of course on one hand saying that means: We are entering a golden age because the America currency is losing value...lol. Yeah, that would not be a very bright position. Amen. But it is on the other hand i mean.

LOL brother I hear you! Just made me laugh a little though at your joke there.

My encouragement would be to have eyes on gold and bitcoin as the economics of the age of grace, proper, though. Yes, i believe they have value in the tribulation for us in recognizing the kinds of things that are coming. But if they are related to Israel becoming strong and at peace, their import to us in the age of grace as being that which contributes to Israel's empowerment, then they mean something more significantly in our age of grace than what they later become. Prophetic events on this side of the tribulation.

100% agree- as they don't have to be negatives on this side of the Rapture, just harbingers of the things to come. A change in currency has to happen, this petrodollar has had it's day, it's worn out, devalued and the world order that it was designed for has changed.

Govt's long for a currency they can control, prevent the citizens from avoiding taxes, a way to force their people to comply or lose their money. A loss of freedom and the ability to have a cash economy. That is the dominant force in designing the next currency. It's what's happening with the digital Euro- a move away from a cash economy where people can quietly pay cash and avoid govt oversight into their affairs.

Gold remains the world's real reserve currency, it's only problem is that it's hard to cart around, and that was why paper notes were introduced - they used to stand for exactly so much in gold held in reserve. Coming full circle back to gold backing for whatever major world reserve currency will take over makes sense. Things that make sense though don't always happen.

It's interesting that about the time Israel comes back into being, the Bretton Woods agreement happens, where the post WW2 currency is pegged to gold and the US controls most of it and is the dominant power.

Very quickly though- within 2 decades Lyndon Johnson burns thru that and when Nixon arrives he is faced with a devalued paper currency due to LBJ's ability to print more paper than Fort Knox held AND the OPEC crisis. All of which led us off the gold standard and onto the Petro dollar. Carter did his own bit to destroy the economy but then Reagan came in and we've been coasting on Reagan's success ever since. In spite of the hiccups in the economic recessions it always recovered.

But since Reagan every president (and every leader around the world) has jacked up their nat'l debt to new heights and instead of imploding which it should've the economy kept lurching along.

Over the years as I've watched the WEF attempts to destroy the financial system using crisis after crisis, yet watching their plans disappear as the economy keeps lurching along, I've looked at that situation as evidence of God's prevention till the right time comes. The Restrainer restraining.

The main argument against a gold backed currency is that govt can't print too much of it or gold points that out. Which stops govt from just printing money to pretend to pay their debts. Debt based spending is how every major country in the world runs.

Then there's taxes.

The driving force with govt will be to prevent people from using gold as a form of cash barter to sidestep govt looking in on every transaction. They say it will stop crime, but the real reason is to keep people paying taxes.

Because govts run on taxes and printing debt via bonds.

 

[mattfivefour]

The interesting thing is that the dominant philosophy of governments throughout the world is the polar opposite of the philosophy of government of the founding fathers of America. And the former are continually trying to negate the latter. Thanks to God, for the time being we have an administration in America that's more or less trying to honor the design of the founding fathers.

 

[TCC]

LOL brother I hear you! Just made me laugh a little though at your joke there.

100% agree- as they don't have to be negatives on this side of the Rapture, just harbingers of the things to come. A change in currency has to happen, this petrodollar has had it's day, it's worn out, devalued and the world order that it was designed for has changed.

Govt's long for a currency they can control, prevent the citizens from avoiding taxes, a way to force their people to comply or lose their money. A loss of freedom and the ability to have a cash economy. That is the dominant force in designing the next currency. It's what's happening with the digital Euro- a move away from a cash economy where people can quietly pay cash and avoid govt oversight into their affairs.

Gold remains the world's real reserve currency, it's only problem is that it's hard to cart around, and that was why paper notes were introduced - they used to stand for exactly so much in gold held in reserve. Coming full circle back to gold backing for whatever major world reserve currency will take over makes sense. Things that make sense though don't always happen.

It's interesting that about the time Israel comes back into being, the Bretton Woods agreement happens, where the post WW2 currency is pegged to gold and the US controls most of it and is the dominant power.

Very quickly though- within 2 decades Lyndon Johnson burns thru that and when Nixon arrives he is faced with a devalued paper currency due to LBJ's ability to print more paper than Fort Knox held AND the OPEC crisis. All of which led us off the gold standard and onto the Petro dollar. Carter did his own bit to destroy the economy but then Reagan came in and we've been coasting on Reagan's success ever since. In spite of the hiccups in the economic recessions it always recovered.

But since Reagan every president (and every leader around the world) has jacked up their nat'l debt to new heights and instead of imploding which it should've the economy kept lurching along.

Over the years as I've watched the WEF attempts to destroy the financial system using crisis after crisis, yet watching their plans disappear as the economy keeps lurching along, I've looked at that situation as evidence of God's prevention till the right time comes. The Restrainer restraining.

The main argument against a gold backed currency is that govt can't print too much of it or gold points that out. Which stops govt from just printing money to pretend to pay their debts. Debt based spending is how every major country in the world runs.

Then there's taxes.

The driving force with govt will be to prevent people from using gold as a form of cash barter to sidestep govt looking in on every transaction. They say it will stop crime, but the real reason is to keep people paying taxes.

Because govts run on taxes and printing debt via bonds.

Thanks Margerie. Specifically on how all systems in the world work. Is that not central banking? So yes we are all addicted to hallucinogenic spending in an imaginary system that will collapse if they don't collapse it for us. Of course it makes not sense for criminals to go back to sound money. My position is a very hard and difficult one Margery. I mean I don't think I am putting on Forrest Gump glasses or something to see that God might act in a huge way at the end of the age of grace that upturns on views about it and it not be just a Leave it to Beaver shiver of empty hope in our spines. I loooooove dark thinking. I'm addicted to dark thinking. But I think the last episode of the age of grace is a Gilligan's Island episode, more than how everything lines up for the real hot focus of our moment, the beast.

And I know we only see this because we believe this is what the Bible is showing us. It almost feels though honestly like to me in ways I'm like in a Truman movie where Satan rules the marque in all our eyes. Like a pod person take over...lol. So thirsty for Revelation, it does not matter if God does something else...we want what we believe must be. And those are the chips, period! It just bothers me. Not you. You are of lovely heart. To me its just sad though. That everything most of us think about end times boils down to this or that will be the beast system. I know there is a huge more dimension to God than that. I am certain of it. How that plays out I guess we will see. Just singing the Sunday blues. Thanks for being a listening and discussion worthy ear dear sister.

PS...yeah...kind of like Pastor is saying here in this thread...I don't think its polyanish to notice that. I think it perhaps to be of avalanche potential . So on that note, if God swings everything around like I am thinking, do you think the best the church will do is go "Yeah but its false peace, false good, false help, and false But God even?" Lol..or maybe even: "False Israel is Great Again." Like will it get possibly that bad? I hope not. Its like I feel kind of like I am in Catholic school...lol. Not our forum..but just in general. Like Oliver, I want to raise my bowl and ask for more like, please. But instead I ask, "Is it ok we see God's awesome goodness Trump the evil we see in His final hours in the age of grace?" And the church goes like, "No its not. Only those that dont' know their Bibles think that. What's wrong with you anyway, Oliver?" lol.

Not you. Not this forum. I am just saying it feels like I am walking down the alley way of that though in Christendom and its kind of freaking me out. But just one good blast of WW3 or some great country tanking into quicksand and I'll be good as new in the morning. Yeah suppose to be funny. Just somewhat how it feels. Like somehow I steeped into the wrong hadron collider version of the universe...lol. The CERN episode where Christmas met Halloween, made a movie...and it never ended Even trying to be sassy does not really get me out of the funk. Anwayz thanks for striving with me dearest of sistehood. I mean that. I really do appreciate our forum. A place to be oursevels. Great blessing here Amen

 

[Matthew6:33]

Thanks Margerie. Specifically on how all systems in the world work. Is that not central banking? So yes we are all addicted to hallucinogenic spending in an imaginary system that will collapse if they don't collapse it for us. Of course it makes not sense for criminals to go back to sound money. My position is a very hard and difficult one Margery. I mean I don't think I am putting on Forrest Gump glasses or something to see that God might act in a huge way at the end of the age of grace that upturns on views about it and it not be just a Leave it to Beaver shiver of empty hope in our spines. I loooooove dark thinking. I'm addicted to dark thinking. But I think the last episode of the age of grace is a Gilligan's Island episode, more than how everything lines up for the real hot focus of our moment, the beast.

And I know we only see this because we believe this is what the Bible is showing us. It almost feels though honestly like to me in ways I'm like in a Truman movie where Satan rules the marque in all our eyes. Like a pod person take over...lol. So thirsty for Revelation, it does not matter if God does something else...we want what we believe must be. And those are the chips, period! It just bothers me. Not you. You are of lovely heart. To me its just sad though. That everything most of us think about end times boils down to this or that will be the beast system. I know there is a huge more dimension to God than that. I am certain of it. How that plays out I guess we will see. Just singing the Sunday blues. Thanks for being a listening and discussion worthy ear dear sister.

PS...yeah...kind of like Pastor is saying here in this thread...I don't think its polyanish to notice that. I think it perhaps to be of avalanche potential . So on that note, if God swings everything around like I am thinking, do you think the best the church will do is go "Yeah but its false peace, false good, false help, and false But God even?" Lol..or maybe even: "False Israel is Great Aain." Like will it get possibly that bad? I hope not. Its like I feel kind of like I am in Catholic school...lol. Not our forum..but just in general. Like Olive I want to raise my bowl and ask for more like. But instead I ask, "Is it ok we see God's awesome goodness Trump the evil we see in His final hours in the age of grace." And the church goes like, "No its not. Only those that dont' know their Bibles think that. What's wrong with you anyway, Oliver?" Not you. Not this forum. I am just saying it feels like I am walking down the alley way of that though in Christendom and its kind of freaking me out. But I'm just one good blast of WW3 or some great country tanking into quicksand and I'll be good as new in the morning. :grin" Yeah suppose to be funny. Just somewhat how it feels. Like somehow I steeped into the wrong handron collider version of the universe...lol. The CERN episode where Christmas met Halloween, made a movie...and it never ended Even trying to be sassy does not really get me out of the funk. Anwayz thanks for striving with me dearest of sistehood. I mean that. I really do appreciate our forum. A place to be oursevels. Great blessing here Amen

Do you propose that things will actually get much better before the rapture? I know many like to point to Matthew's reference to the 'days of Noah' for this topic:

[Mat 24:36-39 NASB95]
36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
37 "For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.
38 "For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

I believe the context of this passage is speaking to the Jews about the 2nd advent. "Son of man" is a very Jewish label for the Messiah from Daniel:

[Dan 7:13 NASB95]
13 "I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him.

That said, I have thought the same thing that things may get better because the church always seems to get weak and lazy during the good times. But I don't know, things could get much worse first too.

I guess I am 50/50 on which it could be. Not that it matters because it is God's plan and story to show His Glory in the end. I am just along for the ride.

 

[Cheeky200386]

Do you propose that things will actually get much better before the rapture? I know many like to point to Matthew's reference to the 'days of Noah' for this topic:

[Mat 24:36-39 NASB95]
36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
37 "For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.
38 "For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

I believe the context of this passage is speaking to the Jews about the 2nd advent. "Son of man" is a very Jewish label for the Messiah from Daniel:

[Dan 7:13 NASB95]
13 "I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him.

That said, I have thought the same thing that things may get better because the church always seems to get weak and lazy during the good times. But I don't know, things could get much worse first too.

I guess I am 50/50 on which it could be. Not that it matters because it is God's plan and story to show His Glory in the end. I am just along for the ride.

I’m not sure what to think either. I could see things getting better and then bam the rapture happens. I find it harder to see things being good enough for marriage and normalcy during the Great Tribulation.

 

[Hol]

I’m not sure what to think either. I could see things get better and then bam the rapture happens. I find it harder to see things being good enough for marriage and normalcy during the Great Tribulation.

One thing Covid helped me to see is how many of us went along with the madness by pretending to act normal. God helped me to avoid the vaccine but it took over a year for me to get over the craziness.

I’m with you, it’s difficult to imagine couples embarking on life’s greatest journey to build a family. That takes courage and commitment. My guess is that it will be populations pretending to act normal.

 

[Hol]

Quoting our dear sis @Margery:
“Govt's long for a currency they can control, prevent the citizens from avoiding taxes, a way to force their people to comply or lose their money. A loss of freedom and the ability to have a cash economy. That is the dominant force in designing the next currency. It's what's happening with the digital Euro- a move away from a cash economy where people can quietly pay cash and avoid govt oversight into their affairs.”

I love how she frames this because it triggers what I hate about Keynesian economics—it undervalues people. When the only value is material and the govts only want power through control via fear/force, people will lose their will to value each other and themselves.

JB Hixson has advised people to accumulate supplies that can be traded for a bartering economy. I may do a little prep in that direction.

I think one better thing is to get to know your neighbors, grow closer to family & church family; trust God’s Word to deepen your understanding of human value and how He loves everyone.

 

[TCC]

I’m not sure what to think either. I could see things getting better and then bam the rapture happens. I find it harder to see things being good enough for marriage and normalcy during the Great Tribulation.

The rapture was not schooled in the church yet in Matt 24 though. I would see this attesting to the 70th week. Where would you place the final bowl? In the tribulation, yes? So when Babylon the Great is destroyed and the world marvels and cries because commerce stops??? At the 7th bowl, they care about commerce? lol. If that is the case i believe marriage and such would be a party along the way for them. Maybe trying to make the best of what they refuse to believe? When the two witnesses are killed, there is a party right? And that is moments before the midpoint of the trib. Giving gifts out.

Its understandable how it would not make sense for us, amen, but i believe we can see along the way in scripture how things can be like that. But on the note you are thinking dear sister about a grand time before the rapture...yeah. I would say, in my perspective, that it would be the closest the world has ever been to a healthy millennial kingdom functioning on earth. The problem with that view is that is not allowed because NAR thinks so too. But i would encourage not to be swayed one way or the other in what other groups think to psyche ua out from what might seem to be a more overall potential, as we might see forming. Just saying. Blessings.

 

[TCC]

Do you propose that things will actually get much better before the rapture? I know many like to point to Matthew's reference to the 'days of Noah' for this topic:

[Mat 24:36-39 NASB95]
36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
37 "For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.
38 "For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

I believe the context of this passage is speaking to the Jews about the 2nd advent. "Son of man" is a very Jewish label for the Messiah from Daniel:

[Dan 7:13 NASB95]
13 "I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him.

That said, I have thought the same thing that things may get better because the church always seems to get weak and lazy during the good times. But I don't know, things could get much worse first too.

I guess I am 50/50 on which it could be. Not that it matters because it is God's plan and story to show His Glory in the end. I am just along for the ride.

I think those days of noah are for Christ's literal return. The church is not really given specifics of the end of the age of grace. How that looks. But I would say based on how things have been forming for a decade now that our guide post is not the church logic. Is not our blueprints of Revelation. But Israel. Watch Israel. She is our prophetic guide. Not the church (IMHO). God gave us the biggest most detailed prophesy Ez 38 likely because it comes first. Look to see that form in relation to Isreal, and we might even see the rapture timing in better comprehensive view. Stay with church Revelation logic, and end up seeing things like the mark of the beast on the covid vax. The choice is ours...amen. Hope that makes some sense? Thanks so much for your thoughtful reply. For me this is a pretty big issue.

Not because i have a need to "see prophecy." For me it just seems that we can kind of tend to leave God out of the picture. "Don't worry Lord, the church's got this one." I don't think we do. I think the whole ending of the age of grace is one huge "But God." But since that is too much like NAR, forbidden. Yet in my parlance, likely true nevertheless. In any event, thanks for weighing in and sharing scripture verses. Blessings.