Rapture Ramification

[lismore]

Since the year 2000, I’ve watched as multitudes of believers have turned away from believing in the pre-Tribulation Rapture with even more adopting the mindset that it cannot happen anytime soon or even in their lifetime.

Yes. 2 Peter 3:3 says that one of the signs of the very last days is that scoffers will come. Scoffers in the world would be no great sign, but these are scoffers in the church. This is my experience. The watchers and waiters in the church are few. We're near. God Bless All

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

We need to be praying for the Church to maintain being with the mind of Christ and love one another in spite of differences, because the adversary is increasingly trying to take down the church and is doing it through division and doubt because he knows his time is short.

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We need to be praying for the Church to maintain being with the mind of Christ and love one another in spite of differences, because the adversary is increasingly trying to take down the church and is doing it through division and doubt because he knows his time is short.

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We need to be praying for the Church to maintain being with the mind of Christ and love one another in spite of differences, because the adversary is increasingly trying to take down the church and is doing it through division and doubt because he knows his time is short.

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We need to be praying for the Church to maintain being with the mind of Christ and love one another in spite of differences, because the adversary is increasingly trying to take down the church and is doing it through division and doubt because he knows his time is short.

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We need to be praying for the Church to maintain being with the mind of Christ and love one another in spite of differences, because the adversary is increasingly trying to take down the church and is doing it through division and doubt because he knows his time is short.

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This cannot be said often enough!!!



I soooooooooo wish every Christian would remember this. We all need to show grace to our Brothers and Sisters in Christ on matters that aren't Salvation issues. This includes Copt, Orthodox, Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Anglican, Church of England, Episcopalian, Methodist, Mennonite, Moravian, Anabaptist, Baptist, Non-denominational, Charismatic, Pentacostal, Church of God, Church of Christ, Nazarene, Quaker, Messianic, etc., Christians, whether conservative or liberal. It's actually a lot easier for individual believers to put this into practice than it is for clergy, churches, and denominations. When Christian A lives next door to Christian B, where each of them goes to church loses a lot of importance once they find out they each have John 3:16 right and will be going to Heaven Differences in respectful conversation iron sharpens iron. Every denomination and church on the planet has something wrong with it, whether it's doctrine, theology, practice, and/or something else, because all are led and attended by sinful human beings. Some errors are more easily recognized than others, even by lay Christians, and many arise from different conclusions and interpretations from sincere and earnest study of Scripture.

Once hard persecution against Christians starts in earnest in the West, the persecutors won't care which denomination, and Christians won't be particular about denomination or non-Salvation issues when getting the opportunity to worship at an underground church or secret home church. I had no issue going to an underground church that wasn't Lutheran and participating in Holy Communion. Here, where there are choices and the luxury of being particular, that church would not have Communed me, and I wouldn't gone to that church. Persecution makes the Church stronger, in part because it forces Christians to focus on what is important and stand together on those things.

Even now in the US, if there is no church of the preferred denomination or specific set of beliefs, Christians are forced to choose from reasonably available options, not go to any church, start their own church, or have family worship. As more churches shut down and/or doctrine, theology, and/or practices change, more of these kinds of decisions will have to be made.

Although forced busing to facilitate school integration wasn't a persecution issue, what happened in the 1960s and 70s here illustrated what people will do when faced with an unpalatable enough choice. When the government was going to bus kids away from their neighborhood schools, the Catholic schools here opened their doors to non-Catholic kids (with a recommendation from a Catholic), but before that, the Catholic schools were all Catholic-only, and wouldn't have ever considered a Protestant kid, even with recommendation(s) from Catholics. And Protestants went to those Catholic schools, whereas before the government edicts, they never would have even considered doing so. The one concession the Catholic schools made for the Protestants, at least the ones near where I lived, was waive religion classes and Chapel requirements for Protestant kids, whose parents didn't want their children to go. The only other choices were non-religious private schools, other religious private schools (very, very few), and homeschooling. Pre-internet, so very little support and very few readily-available resources to parents. I don't know what happened elsewhere, just here.

There won't be denominations in Heaven. Just Sons and Daughters of The King, who went to all sorts of churches, good and bad.

We need to be praying for the Church to maintain being with the mind of Christ and love one another in spite of differences, because the adversary is increasingly trying to take down the church and is doing it through division and doubt because he knows his time is short.

 

[Cheeky200386]

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and

This cannot be said often enough!!!



I soooooooooo wish every Christian would remember this. We all need to show grace to our Brothers and Sisters in Christ on matters that aren't Salvation issues. This includes Copt, Orthodox, Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Anglican, Church of England, Episcopalian, Methodist, Mennonite, Moravian, Anabaptist, Baptist, Non-denominational, Charismatic, Pentacostal, Church of God, Church of Christ, Nazarene, Quaker, Messianic, etc., Christians, whether conservative or liberal. It's actually a lot easier for individual believers to put this into practice than it is for clergy, churches, and denominations. When Christian A lives next door to Christian B, where each of them goes to church loses a lot of importance once they find out they each have John 3:16 right and will be going to Heaven Differences in respectful conversation iron sharpens iron. Every denomination and church on the planet has something wrong with it, whether it's doctrine, theology, practice, and/or something else, because all are led and attended by sinful human beings. Some errors are more easily recognized than others, even by lay Christians, and many arise from different conclusions and interpretations from sincere and earnest study of Scripture.

Once hard persecution against Christians starts in earnest in the West, the persecutors won't care which denomination, and Christians won't be particular about denomination or non-Salvation issues when getting the opportunity to worship at an underground church or secret home church. I had no issue going to an underground church that wasn't Lutheran and participating in Holy Communion. Here, where there are choices and the luxury of being particular, that church would not have Communed me, and I wouldn't gone to that church. Persecution makes the Church stronger, in part because it forces Christians to focus on what is important and stand together on those things.

Even now in the US, if there is no church of the preferred denomination or specific set of beliefs, Christians are forced to choose from reasonably available options, not go to any church, start their own church, or have family worship. As more churches shut down and/or doctrine, theology, and/or practices change, more of these kinds of decisions will have to be made.

Although forced busing to facilitate school integration wasn't a persecution issue, what happened in the 1960s and 70s here illustrated what people will do when faced with an unpalatable enough choice. When the government was going to bus kids away from their neighborhood schools, the Catholic schools here opened their doors to non-Catholic kids (with a recommendation from a Catholic), but before that, the Catholic schools were all Catholic-only, and wouldn't have ever considered a Protestant kid, even with recommendation(s) from Catholics. And Protestants went to those Catholic schools, whereas before the government edicts, they never would have even considered doing so. The one concession the Catholic schools made for the Protestants, at least the ones near where I lived, was waive religion classes and Chapel requirements for Protestant kids, whose parents didn't want their children to go. The only other choices were non-religious private schools, other religious private schools (very, very few), and homeschooling. Pre-internet, so very little support and very few readily-available resources to parents. I don't know what happened elsewhere, just here.

There won't be denominations in Heaven. Just Sons and Daughters of The King, who went to all sorts of churches, good and bad.

The problem is some of the denominations you listed are known for having salvation wrong, such as Catholicism and the Church of Christ (They both believe baptism saves). Catholicism teaches you maintain your salvation by their sacraments. Nor could I ever attend a Charismatic church again. I’d rather stay home. They support female pastors and that always leads to accepting homosexuality and the World.

If churches shut down and all that is left is a Catholic Church. I’ll also be staying home. I was raised in that and I can’t unknow what I know about their teachings. I would guess that liberal churches would join in on the persecution of Bible believing Christians and get absorbed with the World. I’m seeing that first hand with clients that were furious at Christians for making roe v wade get overturned. One client claimed to be Christian and goes to a liberal church.

I do agree that we are to be loving, gracious in how we disagree about non-salvation issues. Even in pointing out salvation errors, we should do it with Love and Truth when sharing the Gospel.

Those are just my thoughts on the list you shared.

 

[Cheeky200386]

I just pray and trust that the Lord would bring Bible-believing Christians and Pastors alongside Christians that desperately need it in order to prevent the temptation of joining a false church.

 

[TCC]

Date setting has gone off the charts nuts. I agree.

Some of it is the thing you call sociology, and I'd call amplification- it's like YouTube is an echo chamber- it amplifies stuff that people click on, so the YouTubers create what people click on to make money, get views, and then YT pushes it to more people.

A vicious circle where a lie that sounds attractive, gets retold over and over and those who show interest in the lie get it suggested in their YT feed - or any other social media.

The old saying that is often attributed to Joseph Goebbels the Nazi is "Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth!" It's tailor made for Satanic lies to gain traction in the social media age we live in.

Truth is also out waving for attention in the social media because people don't trust the Mainstream News media any more. One of Satan's tactics was to destroy good unbiased media, create distrust, use that media to become propaganda - social engineering to drive people to find their own sources of truth.

In the marketplace of ideas that is social media from YT, Twitter, Telegram, Facebook etc people will gravitate to what sounds right to them. Their own echo chambers. Where people agree with them and reinforce their version of "truth".

And that's where Satan's second tactic comes into play. The echo chamber effect. Where a number of groups find their own spaces and refuse to listen to any competing voices.

This shatters a society faster than Whoopi Goldberg is able to promote Kamala Harris on the View. People are grouped by race, gender, politics, religion and what used to be a melting pot, with the concept of voting for the best person for the job and accepting the results of that vote has shattered into the kind of political landscape it is today.

You might as well be walking on broken glass and have bombs thrown your way than try and find common ground. Yet Trump is doing just that. Uniting races, economic stratas, religions as AMERICANS. All while Harris, Biden and Hilary Clinton referred to everyone else as deplorables, garbage etc.

And it's hit the church too. The war on truth.

Beautiful post dear sister. In 2017 rapture videos were super hot. This one lady had a YouTube channel where she was super emphatic on "the next watch date" as to her was THE DAY. Beyond date setting it was troubling on a few levels. She actually brought in the Mendella Effect to describe certain areas of scripture. lol. But what I found so disheartening is that she would constantly be wrong, and like a politician just whip up a whole new batch of followers. It was kind of cultic.

I'm pretty used to date setting online. And I would still maybe check out some videos to see if there might be something or anything helpful. I think there is sometimes. But well noted. There was this one guy who was incredibly into the Rev 12 Sign potential of 2017. He had the most research i'd ever seen. But there were some strange views. We did zoom a few times. I was hopeful to encourage him not to be so dogmatic. But it was impossible for him to not see himself as a prophet. He thought things like Prince Harry was the AC and would use RIFD chips to enforce the mark. I agreed with him about his Rev sign 2017 research. But it was kind of like he was under a spell. Blessings.