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Perfection, when will we gain it?

Hobie

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We see what Christ says when He tells the woman to 'go and sin more', and when He states 'repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand'. So does it really mean to stop from sin and become without sin, to the state perfection. Well, many will argue against perfection, but yet everyone knows that mans carnal imperfection or sin will not be let into heaven. And we have many text in the scriptures that speak on this...

Job 1:8
And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Genesis 6:9
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Psalm 7:10
My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart.

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

So how is this moral 'Gordian Knot' to be resolved?
 
I don't know what a Gordian Knot is, but while in our mortal bodies Christ Followers will continue to have their sin nature. However, they have been justified by Christ and are being sanctified. At our death or Rapture when we enter heaven we will be sinless forever more.

Revelation 21:27 says: Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

Thank God the process of sanctification will be reached and we will put behind our sinless nature.

What is justification?​


Biblical Foundations of Sanctification​

 
We see what Christ says when He tells the woman to 'go and sin more', and when He states 'repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand'. So does it really mean to stop from sin and become without sin, to the state perfection. Well, many will argue against perfection, but yet everyone knows that mans carnal imperfection or sin will not be let into heaven. And we have many text in the scriptures that speak on this...

Job 1:8
And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Genesis 6:9
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Psalm 7:10
My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart.

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

So how is this moral 'Gordian Knot' to be resolved?
Good question and verses.

I think some of the most clear verses are found in Romans 4:22-25, though there are other parts of scripture that speak to this very topic.

You are correct that God requires perfect obedience and righteousness as you have pointed out.
Romans 3:10-12

10As it is written:

“There is none righteous, no, not one;
11There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12They have all turned aside;


The short answer is that it is impossible for us to attain sinless perfection on our own. The perfect, complete holy righteousness that is required, was provided for those who will receive it by Jesus, through His death and resurrection.

The perfection required is imputed to us by faith as clearly pointed out in Romans 4:13-25, particularly verses 24-25.

13For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, 15because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.


16Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be [d]sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17(as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; 18who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.” 19And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb. 20He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, 21and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. 22And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.”


23Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
 
I don't know what a Gordian Knot is, but while in our mortal bodies Christ Followers will continue to have their sin nature. However, they have been justified by Christ and are being sanctified. At our death or Rapture when we enter heaven we will be sinless forever more.

Revelation 21:27 says: Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

Thank God the process of sanctification will be reached and we will put behind our sinless nature.

What is justification?​


Biblical Foundations of Sanctification​

But then we have this...

Galatians 2:17-18
17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

If you go back to sin, we see what Gods Word says..

2 Peter 2:20
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
 
But then we have this...

Galatians 2:17-18
17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

If you go back to sin, we see what Gods Word says..

2 Peter 2:20
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
Not addressed to me but I believe both passages, if taken in a broader context, are dealing with false teachers and prophets.
They were deceiving people and though some had 'knowledge' of the Lord and savior, they were clearly never saved, as in putting their trust fully in the finished work of Christ alone for their justification.
 
Not addressed to me but I believe both passages, if taken in a broader context, are dealing with false teachers and prophets.
They were deceiving people and though some had 'knowledge' of the Lord and savior, they were clearly never saved, as in putting their trust fully in the finished work of Christ alone for their justification.
Yes, the entire context of Paul's letter to the Galatians is to counteract the false gospel of law and works rather than the true gospel of grace. Oncea believer realizes that, then they can understand the argument the apostle makes in Galatians 3:1-14. Here is a literal translation--
1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as having been crucified? 2 I wish only to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the Law or by hearing of faith?​
3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being perfected in the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain, if indeed also in vain? 5 Therefore, the One supplying to you the Spirit and working miracles among you, is it out of works of the Law, or out of hearing of faith?​
6 So also, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.” 7 Know then that those of faith, these are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, having foreseen that God justifies the Gentiles by faith, foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All the nations will be blessed in you.” 9 So then, those of faith are blessed along with the believing Abraham.​
10 For as many as are of works of the Law are under a curse, for it has been written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue all things having been written in the book of the Law, to do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, because “The righteous will live by faith.” 12 But the Law is not of faith. Rather, “The one having done these things will live by them.”​
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us —for it has been written: “Cursed is everyone hanging on a tree”— 14 so that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that through faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.​

We are truly saved and kept by simple faith in what Christ did at Calvary, not by anyth I'm ng we do. And for those who think there must be more, Scripture says this--

21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard ... (Colossians 1:21-23a).​

This passage in Colossians lays out the entire contract between God and man: it clearly states that God will present us holy and blameless and without reproach in His sight IF we hold fast to the gospel. And what is the gospel? That Jesus died for our sins and raised from the dead and that by believing this we are given eternal life. As it says in Colossians 1:12-13, speaking of what was accomplished by Christ's sacrifice for us--

"God has delivered us from the power of darkness and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins."​

Delivered, translated, redeemed, forgiven ... God did it . And He did it for us through Jesus. All we need to do is accept it. And once we have truly accepted it, it is ours forever. There are no conditions, other than accepting His salvation. Nothing we can add. Acceptance, by committing our minds to believe, is the only part we play in the entire transaction.

Yes, unfortunately due to our inherent sin nature (the "old man" as Paul termed it), we sin regularly-- either through commission, omission or thoughts and attitudes. The daily ccontinuing struggle of trying to avoid such things --in other words the burden of trying to live up to the law of perfection (for anything less than perfection is unacceptable)-- was a very heavy one. Jesus exposed this and offered something far better-- HIS yoke (Matthew 11:28-30). This is the good news of the gospel: it has all been done for us. As the great Christian John Bunyan said 400 years ago: "Run, John, run the law commands, but gives me neither feet not hands. A better thing the gospel brings-- it bids me fly and gives me wings."

There is nothing more sad than a blood-bought Christian trying to be holy by his own efforts. When God said that we must be holy even as He is Holy (Leviticus 11:44, 19:2, 20:7; 1 Peter 1:16 and many other verses) He knew there was only one way for us to be holy-- by being identified fully with Christ's perfection...which we receive by faith alone in HIS finished work alone.

This ties to Hebrews 4 where the writer speaks of entering into God's rest (that is to say the rest that God provides) and ceasing from our own efforts. If you do an in-depth study of this, you will recognize this truth is given in type in the story of the Israelites finally entering the Promised Land. Contrary to popular belief, the Promised Land is not heaven. The Promised Land in the Bible is described as having enemies in it and trials to undergo. The Bible is clear there will be none of that in Heaven. When we cease striving to keep the law that tells us what sin is and not to engage in it but instead cease striving and rest in Christ's finished and all sufficient work on the Cross, we enter into His rest here on earth and there find that His burden is indeed light and His yoke is indeed easy.

The doctrine of sinless perfection (to which I am certain we all aspire and long for) is, sadly, erroneous. It finds its roots in human thinking, our own longing, and a misunderstanding of scripture. We do sin, whether we plan to or not. As Paul describes his experience in Romans 7:14-25, it is the result of the conflict within us between the Spirit and our flesh. We may be strong in our spirit, but our flesh is weak. Yet Christ sets us free from this conflict by removing the Law which leads us to Him and replacing it with Himself as the fulfillment of the Law. As we see in Romans 8:1-13 ...
1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.​
"5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.​
"9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.​
"12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live."​

As you prayerfully study this important passage, do not miss verse 13. It is key. We do not put to death the misdeeds --the failings, the falling short of God's standards, in other words the sins-- of our body by our own efforts. It is done BY THE HOLY SPIRIT ... as we daily learn more of Him, and continually (though perhaps sometimes imperfectly) seek to obey Him. This is true growth in Christ; and is why the fruit of Christ-likeness in us is not referred to as our fruit, but as the fruit of the Spirit.

Anyway, I just wanted to step in to this discussion and correct any potential misunderstand on this topic. What Christ has wrought for us is wonderful beyond measure ... and, for many people, also beyond belief. We are raised to believe that in order to gain something we must do something. But that is the world's way, not God's. Sadly, some believers cannot accept that it just does not lie in them to do ANYTHING to gain a single thing from God. There is nothing we can do to please God. The entire Bible is testimony to the fact that we are not able, but He is. And I'm Christ we are made b not just acceptable but children, loved and promised everything we do not deserve ... everything that Christ has won. How awesome is that??? Glory to His Name!!!
 
Yes, the entire context of Paul's letter to the Galatians is to counteract the false gospel of law and works rather than the true gospel of grace. Oncea believer realizes that, then they can understand the argument the apostle makes in Galatians 3:1-14. Here is a literal translation--
1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as having been crucified? 2 I wish only to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the Law or by hearing of faith?​
3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being perfected in the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain, if indeed also in vain? 5 Therefore, the One supplying to you the Spirit and working miracles among you, is it out of works of the Law, or out of hearing of faith?​
6 So also, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.” 7 Know then that those of faith, these are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, having foreseen that God justifies the Gentiles by faith, foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All the nations will be blessed in you.” 9 So then, those of faith are blessed along with the believing Abraham.​
10 For as many as are of works of the Law are under a curse, for it has been written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue all things having been written in the book of the Law, to do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, because “The righteous will live by faith.” 12 But the Law is not of faith. Rather, “The one having done these things will live by them.”​
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us —for it has been written: “Cursed is everyone hanging on a tree”— 14 so that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that through faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.​

We are truly saved and kept by simple faith in what Christ did at Calvary, not by anyth I'm ng we do. And for those who think there must be more, Scripture says this--

21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard ... (Colossians 1:21-23a).​

This passage in Colossians lays out the entire contract between God and man: it clearly states that God will present us holy and blameless and without reproach in His sight IF we hold fast to the gospel. And what is the gospel? That Jesus died for our sins and raised from the dead and that by believing this we are given eternal life. As it says in Colossians 1:12-13, speaking of what was accomplished by Christ's sacrifice for us--

"God has delivered us from the power of darkness and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins."​

Delivered, translated, redeemed, forgiven ... God did it . And He did it for us through Jesus. All we need to do is accept it. And once we have truly accepted it, it is ours forever. There are no conditions, other than accepting His salvation. Nothing we can add. Acceptance, by committing our minds to believe, is the only part we play in the entire transaction.

Yes, unfortunately due to our inherent sin nature (the "old man" as Paul termed it), we sin regularly-- either through commission, omission or thoughts and attitudes. The daily ccontinuing struggle of trying to avoid such things --in other words the burden of trying to live up to the law of perfection (for anything less than perfection is unacceptable)-- was a very heavy one. Jesus exposed this and offered something far better-- HIS yoke (Matthew 11:28-30). This is the good news of the gospel: it has all been done for us. As the great Christian John Bunyan said 400 years ago: "Run, John, run the law commands, but gives me neither feet not hands. A better thing the gospel brings-- it bids me fly and gives me wings."

There is nothing more sad than a blood-bought Christian trying to be holy by his own efforts. When God said that we must be holy even as He is Holy (Leviticus 11:44, 19:2, 20:7; 1 Peter 1:16 and many other verses) He knew there was only one way for us to be holy-- by being identified fully with Christ's perfection...which we receive by faith alone in HIS finished work alone.

This ties to Hebrews 4 where the writer speaks of entering into God's rest (that is to say the rest that God provides) and ceasing from our own efforts. If you do an in-depth study of this, you will recognize this truth is given in type in the story of the Israelites finally entering the Promised Land. Contrary to popular belief, the Promised Land is not heaven. The Promised Land in the Bible is described as having enemies in it and trials to undergo. The Bible is clear there will be none of that in Heaven. When we cease striving to keep the law that tells us what sin is and not to engage in it but instead cease striving and rest in Christ's finished and all sufficient work on the Cross, we enter into His rest here on earth and there find that His burden is indeed light and His yoke is indeed easy.

The doctrine of sinless perfection (to which I am certain we all aspire and long for) is, sadly, erroneous. It finds its roots in human thinking, our own longing, and a misunderstanding of scripture. We do sin, whether we plan to or not. As Paul describes his experience in Romans 7:14-25, it is the result of the conflict within us between the Spirit and our flesh. We may be strong in our spirit, but our flesh is weak. Yet Christ sets us free from this conflict by removing the Law which leads us to Him and replacing it with Himself as the fulfillment of the Law. As we see in Romans 8:1-13 ...
1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.​
"5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.​
"9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.​
"12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live."​

As you prayerfully study this important passage, do not miss verse 13. It is key. We do not put to death the misdeeds --the failings, the falling short of God's standards, in other words the sins-- of our body by our own efforts. It is done BY THE HOLY SPIRIT ... as we daily learn more of Him, and continually (though perhaps sometimes imperfectly) seek to obey Him. This is true growth in Christ; and is why the fruit of Christ-likeness in us is not referred to as our fruit, but as the fruit of the Spirit.

Anyway, I just wanted to step in to this discussion and correct any potential misunderstand on this topic. What Christ has wrought for us is wonderful beyond measure ... and, for many people, also beyond belief. We are raised to believe that in order to gain something we must do something. But that is the world's way, not God's. Sadly, some believers cannot accept that it just does not lie in them to do ANYTHING to gain a single thing from God. There is nothing we can do to please God. The entire Bible is testimony to the fact that we are not able, but He is. And I'm Christ we are made b not just acceptable but children, loved and promised everything we do not deserve ... everything that Christ has won. How awesome is that??? Glory to His Name!!!
We are now looking on what brings us to the path to perfection, the Holy Spirit. It guides us into all of Gods truth not mans ideas or traditions, and where does this lead...

John 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
 
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We are now looking on what brings us to the path to perfection, the Holy Spirit. It guides us into all of Gods truth not mans ideas or traditions, and where does this lead...

John 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Absolutely, brother! But we are not yet sinlessly perfect in our current condition: only in our present position. Christ's sinlessness is imputed to us, so I'm good eyes we are considered perfect. But we know we are not in actual practice perfect in it lives. However, one day when we leave this sinful flesh and put on our immortal bodies we shall be perfect ... just as He is (Philippians 3:20-21).
 
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Absolutely, brother! But we are not yet sinlessly perfect in our current condition: only in our present position. Christ's sinlessness is imputed to us, so I'm good eyes we are considered perfect. But we know we are not in actual practice perfect in it lives. However, one day when we leave this sinful flesh and put on our immortal bodies we shall be perfect ... just as He is (Philippians 3:20-21).
But Christ declares the following...

Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Matthew 23:28
Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

And we see who He is speaking to.....

Luke 13:26-27
26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
 
Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
I think this is something we strive for but can never really achieve while we are in the flesh. Through the Spirit is is possible to be perfect but what sinful mortal can live in the Spirit at all times? I certainly cannot.

'Perfect' here comes from the Greek teleios (G5046) meaning 'complete'. When I think of it, when we put our belief in Christ's atonement for our sin we are justified and saved eternally or 'outside of time' where God resides. Though presently (within the timeline of our life) we are not sinless. When we make that faith decision we are 'complete' from beginning to end.

God our Father is complete to begin with unlike us.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born (G1080) of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten (G1080) of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
I think this is talking about being born (gennaō, G1080) again (John 3). When you are born again and make the free will decision to live in the Spirit you will be sinless however I come back to my point above where what mortal can live in the Spirit 24/7?

Just 2 examples in the scriptures-- the Apostle Paul had contention with Barnabas (Acts 15), The Apostle Peter refused to eat with the Gentiles (Galatians 2), are we better than them?

Just my thoughts.
 
And who are those who work iniquity? Those who deny Christ, those who reject Him, His sacrifice, and His salvation. Scripture teaches this. The righteousness we possess comes from Christ alone (1 Corinthians 1:30; Romans 3:23). It is Christ's work. And only His. Our own righteousness is repulsive to God (Isaiah 64:6). He will never accept it. Brother, you cannot mix law and grace. The Bible gives us this in type, by prohibiting the mixing of two types of seed, two types of cattle and linen and wool (Deuteronomy 22:9-11; Leviticus 19:19). The Law says: you must do this (ie: refrain from sin) to live. Grace says: believe this (ie: the good news of Christ's fully sufficient sacrifice) and you WILL live. The entire Old Testament teaches us that man cannot keep God's law and therefore cannot please God and be accepted by Him. If that were not true, if man could live holy but keeping from sin, then Christ came and died in vain. Galatians 2:21 states this perfectly.

BUT! When we are saved, the Holy Spirit comes to dwell inside us, not only to seal us for eternity, but to begin the process of sanctifying us ... that is to say conforming us to the image of Christ. He is the HOLY Spirit; therefore His presence in us is what will lead us progressively from obedience to the flesh to obedience to God.
 
And who are those who work iniquity? Those who deny Christ, those who reject Him, His sacrifice, and His salvation. Scripture teaches this. The righteousness we possess comes from Christ alone (1 Corinthians 1:30; Romans 3:23). It is Christ's work. And only His. Our own righteousness is repulsive to God (Isaiah 64:6). He will never accept it. Brother, you cannot mix law and grace. The Bible gives us this in type, by prohibiting the mixing of two types of seed, two types of cattle and linen and wool (Deuteronomy 22:9-11; Leviticus 19:19). The Law says: you must do this (ie: refrain from sin) to live. Grace says: believe this (ie: the good news of Christ's fully sufficient sacrifice) and you WILL live. The entire Old Testament teaches us that man cannot keep God's law and therefore cannot please God and be accepted by Him. If that were not true, if man could live holy but keeping from sin, then Christ came and died in vain. Galatians 2:21 states this perfectly.

BUT! When we are saved, the Holy Spirit comes to dwell inside us, not only to seal us for eternity, but to begin the process of sanctifying us ... that is to say conforming us to the image of Christ. He is the HOLY Spirit; therefore His presence in us is what will lead us progressively from obedience to the flesh to obedience to God.
Those who continue in sin are those who work iniquity, you must turn from sin and turn to Christ and allow the transformation of the Holy Spirit and have its fruits and thus put on His robe of righteousness, or you will hear the words at the second coming from Christ Himself, 'I never knew you, depart from me....'
 
Thats not for me to judge, but back in the day, there were men (and women) who 'feared God, and eschewed evil' and some are still alive.
Hi Hobie, I too am curious about about how you view your position IN Christ according to scripture. It appears from your posts that you believe we must attain some level of sinlessness in our own effort to be considered justified before God. Or that we must maintain it in our own effort in order to be considered worthy of salvation.

I noticed you linked to a Seventh Day Adventist article, do you consider yourself an Adventist?
IMO, someone who is eschewing evil in their own effort outside of resting in Christ's finished work is still leaning on Law instead of Grace through Faith to try and merit their own salvation (and sanctification).
The two are incompatible.

Galatians 2:16
New King James Version
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
 
Those who continue in sin are those who work iniquity, you must turn from sin and turn to Christ and allow the transformation of the Holy Spirit and have its fruits and thus put on His robe of righteousness, or you will hear the words at the second coming from Christ Himself, 'I never knew you, depart from me....'
From Romans Chapter 7. Do you believe that the Apostle Paul was saved?

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Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. 14For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but howto perform what is good I do not find. 19For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

21I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
 
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