Military Brass Holding ‘Informal Discussions’ on How to Override Trump 47’s Orders

According to CNN reports, Pentagon brass met recently to discuss and plan how to override President Trump’s 47 orders.

This smells like treason.

The military-industrial complex is infuriated that the first president in 40 years who did not start a war while in office has returned to power.

This latest report that the failed Pentagon brass who surrendered to the illiterate Taliban barbarians, donated billions of dollars in US weapons, and abandoned Bagram Air Force Base, are plotting against Trump 47 is not a complete surprise.

Far-left CNN reported:

Pentagon officials are holding informal discussions about how the Department of Defense would respond if Donald Trump issues orders to deploy active-duty troops domestically and fire large swaths of apolitical staffers, defense officials told CNN…

…Trump in his last term had a fraught relationship with much of his senior military leadership, including now-retired Gen. Mark Milley who took steps to limit Trump’s ability to use nuclear weapons while he was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The president-elect, meanwhile, has repeatedly called US military generals “woke,” “weak” and “ineffective leaders.”

Officials are now gaming out various scenarios as they prepare for an overhaul of the Pentagon.

“We are all preparing and planning for the worst-case scenario, but the reality is that we don’t know how this is going to play out yet,” one defense official said.

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According to CNN reports, Pentagon brass met recently to discuss and plan how to override President Trump’s 47 orders.

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[mattfivefour]

This smells like treason.

One hundred percent!!! If true, those who took part need to be arrested and imprisoned when 47 takes office.

 

[Shinobi]

Well that may be an attempt but the positions of those who sit on the Joint Chief of Staff are assigned by the President and confirmed by the senate. With a very solid Republican Senate any Trump should pick are likely to get confirmed and those there now will either retire or go back to command levels. But here is the kicker based on the Goldwater-Nichols Act of 1986 the Joint Chief of staff no longer have command authority. The chain of command now is President, VP. Secretary of Defense Secretaries of each branch, and them jumps straight down to the may command units for each branch. The Joint Chiefs of staff have little say save their position as presidential military advisers.

Sounds like they may just be spitting into the wind, kind of a show for the unwashed masses that have little knowledge how things military work. I doubt that it will be those on the Joint Chief of Staff that would likely cause the President problems but many ladder climbers in actual commands might be of concern, Secretary of the Navy, Army, and Airforce could possibly stir up trouble but a few congressional hearings would likely put a quick end to such shenanigans. A sure fire career killer in the military is to mess up at a congressional hearing when you are called to be interviewed and investigated.

 

[Baby Yoda]

Sounds like they may just be spitting into the wind, kind of a show for the unwashed masses that have little knowledge how things military work. I doubt that it will be those on the Joint Chief of Staff that would likely cause the President problems but many ladder climbers in actual commands might be of concern,

Agree.

 

[Andy C]

This has to be false news, click bait story.

 

[Tall Timbers]

A sure fire career killer in the military is to mess up at a congressional hearing when you are called to be interviewed and investigated.

None-the-less, any military officer involved in such shenanigans should be court martialed for treason and receive just punishment for the crime.

After years of lawlessness, it's time that rule of law returned to the USA.

 

[Tall Timbers]

This has to be false news, click bait story.

Maybe, but I'm in possession of a 4 star's coin who should probably be tried for treason... last name Milley.

 

[Shinobi]

None-the-less, any military officer involved in such shenanigans should be court martialed for treason and receive just punishment for the crime.

After years of lawlessness, it's time that rule of law returned to the USA.

The problem with what you say is that the definition of treason is very narrowly defined in the Constitution. There are two things that define treason as expounded in the Constitution: (1) “levying war” against the United States; or (2) “adhering to [the] enemies [of the United States], giving them aid and comfort.” So if shenanigans do not rise to the level of these two definitions. I know this sounds picky but it has to be for good reason. If we run around with loose definitions that can be flip flopped on a whim then we all stand a good chance of being arrested and tried for things we did not specifically do. That is the beauty of the American Constitution and our jurisprudence system as a whole. Amendment such as the 4th and 5th and even the 1st right to free speech as well as freedom of religion.

The rule of law is not as open ended and broad as many often misunderstand it to be. On the other hand over the years many laws have been enacted only to be challenged at the Supreme court level and overturned. Again the beauty of the Constitution and our system of jurisprudence. I am sure there are people in this world that would love to see me go to jail. But the one thing stopping that is they have no evidence that I willing broke any of the current listed laws so I am protected. Otherwise if those wishing me ill will had the money to grease enough palms I would likely be behind bars. What ever we may think of certain people in the military we have to accept that if they do not do things as strictly defined by law we can just up and have them court martialed or any kind of military justice used against them. While some rights are temporary limited while serving the are not completely taken away.

 

[Shinobi]

Maybe, but I'm in possession of a 4 star's coin who should probably be tried for treason... last name Milley.

Ahh yes the infamous challenge coins. That came after my time and I did not come across them till my Army Reserve time. I was given a couple but never thought much of them. I know some people make a big deal on who is the highest rank or most important in terms of stature to give you one but to me the are junk save the one I got for my newly formed unit because the design of it was someone I personally know and it basically a unit patch design.It is a memory piece I may some day put in a shadow box. Otherwise meeehhhhhh.

I don't know that Milley can be tried for court martial as per the limited Constitution definition from above. I do think he could be fired, maybe even forced to resign based on violating the authority of his position as head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff trying to take command control when his position is strictly one of Presidential advisor. For what he said of his beliefs about the president might be considered disrespectful of a senior position but I am sure the lawyers would have a good battle over that one. But in the end if neither of the two conditions are met beyond reasonable doubt then a court martial for treason or even in civil court trial for treason would fail to convict. Sadly that does not rise to the level of treason. At best it might be considered disrespectful and handled at the Article 15 level for such.

 

[Tall Timbers]

(2) “adhering to [the] enemies [of the United States], giving them aid and comfort.”

This one should stick to Milley, if the information out there is accurate.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

If mere words were a convictable offense how my young soldiers, airman, sailors, and Marines would go to jail when they got angry and blurted out some like F the army, or Navy or even President. Sadly that does not rise to the level of treason. At best it might be considered disrespectful and handled at the Article 15 level for such.

It used to be handled out behind the motorpool/similar.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

I wonder if the current administration is making things "uncomfortable" for current brass and they're covering their butts until January.

 

[Shinobi]

It used to be handled out behind the motorpool/similar.

Tried that once with a very arrogant 1st Lt. He was bigger than I and thought I would back down but when I didn't he changed his mind. Instead he attempted to frame with a dereliction of duty article 15 which also failed because he left a long trail of evidence that he had changed things I had done to a schedule for moving equipment. When I had compiled my evidence with copies of official records and had statements from witnesses and took it to Station Legal because I needed advice how to proceed to get a lawyer to come to my duty station I was told by the Capt. I talked to that he knew the officer involved as well my squadron legal officer and Commander. He asked for the documentation that I had which I gladly gave. Knowing what that would likely brings as I left to go out the door I told the Station Legal officer that what he had was a copy as I had already mailed my original home to my parents to give to their lawyer. Needless to say that had me in limbo for a while so they sent me an NCO onto mess duty. I was happy about that because the cooks and cafeteria staff which most were lower grades so they let me do breakfast for the SNCOs and then I was free for the rest of the day. Nicest dirty detail I ever had. At the end I called the squadron legal and asked what the status of my Special Court Martial was and he finally informed me all charges had been dropped. No I was not surprised.

But that Lt. got his 3 years later. We had a group level officer take over, that I got to know pretty well because of the job I did who when he left I asked where he was headed and when he told me west coast, I told him to be on the look out for this Lt. who might be a Captain by then. He said he would. A year and a half later Went through the west coast separation center and because my last OIC was also getting out used to come and get me each day to keep me out of details and we went to my old Group Officer one day for lunch where he told me that Lt. did cross his path and was thankful for the heads up because he was caught selling military equipment off base and was kicked out of the military losing his much desired retirement and any benefits. It would have been faster behind the similar but in the long run this turned out more satisfactory for me.

 

[Shinobi]

This one should stick to Milley, if the information out there is accurate.

It may or may not. Looking over the few cases that exist, some information about the case would have to be further determined by the court as to crossing the threshold of "adhearing to," which is where a couple of cased failed in the court martial. Depends on how the definition of the word "adhearing" is taken. Like I said there are some very fine lines in laws and with good reason. It goes to the idea that 100 guilty men should go free so that not one innocent man rot in jail. It does not work that way but that is because we live in a an evil world but for high profile cases it is good that the attempt to maintain that fine line is best for us all.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

Tried that once with a very arrogant 1st Lt. He was bigger than I and thought I would back down but when I didn't he changed his mind. Instead he attempted to frame with a dereliction of duty article 15 which also failed because he left a long trail of evidence that he had changed things I had done to a schedule for moving equipment. When I had compiled my evidence with copies of official records and had statements from witnesses and took it to Station Legal because I needed advice how to proceed to get a lawyer to come to my duty station I was told by the Capt. I talked to that he knew the officer involved as well my squadron legal officer and Commander. He asked for the documentation that I had which I gladly gave. Knowing what that would likely brings as I left to go out the door I told the Station Legal officer that what he had was a copy as I had already mailed my original home to my parents to give to their lawyer. Needless to say that had me in limbo for a while so they sent me an NCO onto mess duty. I was happy about that because the cooks and cafeteria staff which most were lower grades so they let me do breakfast for the SNCOs and then I was free for the rest of the day. Nicest dirty detail I ever had. At the end I called the squadron legal and asked what the status of my Special Court Martial was and he finally informed me all charges had been dropped. No I was not surprised.

But that Lt. got his 3 years later. We had a group level officer take over, that I got to know pretty well because of the job I did who when he left I asked where he was headed and when he told me west coast, I told him to be on the look out for this Lt. who might be a Captain by then. He said he would. A year and a half later Went through the west coast separation center and because my last OIC was also getting out used to come and get me each day to keep me out of details and we went to my old Group Officer one day for lunch where he told me that Lt. did cross his path and was thankful for the heads up because he was caught selling military equipment off base and was kicked out of the military losing his much desired retirement and any benefits. It would have been faster behind the similar but in the long run this turned out more satisfactory for me.

Best punishment I had was cleaning up after mules, animal, but since I was there, I ended up learning to and training and handling, too. The mules were simply God's creatures and had so much more integrity than some of the Soldiers I served under/with.
I ended up with awesome duty years later because of that experience

 

[Shinobi]

Best punishment I had was cleaning up after mules, animal, but since I was there, I ended up learning to and training and handling, too. The mules were simply God's creatures and had so much more integrity than some of the Soldiers I served under/with.
I ended up with awesome duty years later because of that experience

That would be a job I would always be trying to get into trouble so I could be punished with being with animals and not people.

 

[mattfivefour]

The problem with what you say is that the definition of treason is very narrowly defined in the Constitution.

Yes, you are correct. The United States Constitution defines treason very narrowly in this country. But the UCMJ certainly covers disobedience to one's commander. Article 92 contains severe penalties, including up to 2 years in military prison, punitive discharge, and loss of all pension. Surely that should give a general officer sufficient incentive to obey the Commander-in-chief. Yes?

 

[Tall Timbers]

Ahh yes the infamous challenge coins.

Milley and I were at the same event on the Princeton Campus. I was in my military uniform for the first time in a couple of decades... he gave me one of his coins.

 

[Tall Timbers]

Yes, you are correct. The United States Constitution defines treason very narrowly in this country. But the UCMJ certainly covers disobedience to one's commander. Article 92 contains severe penalties, including up to 2 years in military prison, punitive discharge, and loss of all pension. Surely that should give a general officer sufficient incentive to obey the Commander-in-chief. Yes?

If the things about Milley are true, given his position and the seriousness of the crime, he should receive the maximum punishment. Sometimes people in power get too big for their britches.

 

[Shinobi]

Milley and I were at the same event on the Princeton Campus. I was in my military uniform for the first time in a couple of decades... he gave me one of his coins.

Yeah I never got the idea of those challenge coins. It was not something we did in the Corps in my days. They Army had already started it but the Corps was not into it. When I got to the Army reserves I got a few but it never meant anything to me other than more junk for my junk drawer. Now if I got one from some upper officer of questionable integrity I would have no problem getting rid of it say using it as a target at some chosen distance to see if I am still as good as I was in my youth. Of course being the size of the coin I would have to use a small caliber of say .22 but I am guessing with my eyes 100 to maybe 150 yards with iron sites would be fun.