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Macrons File Defamation Suit Against Candace Owens over Brigitte Transgender Claims

So I guess i would say that my typical way of considering Candace in the mix, is not so much her positions, but that some themes of hers that gain such attention, could be an indicator of sorts of what can tend to be "tells" on culture potentially used by affect to project growth pains of a nation (America) trapped to some degree in identity crisis. Which strikes me as a somewhat interesting vehicle of time capsule capture for our age. If that makes sense.
That does make sense.

Candace is an unpleasant little reflection of society gone bad.

Her rants are popular, and give voice to some really nasty antisemitic themes which is what I've usually become aware of. I don't follow the woman and lost all interest in what she had to say once she went public with her views on Jews, Israel etc.

Until this thread I didn't realize she was the source of a lot of the silly nonsense about Brigitte's gender. I don't have a lot of patience for that sort of concern- there are REAL transgender issues to deal with and focusing on whether or not someone isn't their avowed sex isn't usually a good use of time in my opinion.

The REAL transgender issues- locker rooms, showers, dorms, sports and jails are incredibly damaging to women.

These fake issues like Mrs. Macron or Mrs. Obama tend to pull attention away from the real issues. Probably just clickbait for someone like Candace whose clicks mean money.

And that seems most likely. Dollars rather than sense! Ugliness and cruelty rather than compassion and dignity.

If Candace would remove herself from the gutter and start demanding legal protection for women from transgender threats that would be a far better use of her time.

Grumpy old lady rant of my own I guess. I just wish people would mind their own business and put their efforts into real stuff.
 
That does make sense.

Candace is an unpleasant little reflection of society gone bad.

Her rants are popular, and give voice to some really nasty antisemitic themes which is what I've usually become aware of. I don't follow the woman and lost all interest in what she had to say once she went public with her views on Jews, Israel etc.

Until this thread I didn't realize she was the source of a lot of the silly nonsense about Brigitte's gender. I don't have a lot of patience for that sort of concern- there are REAL transgender issues to deal with and focusing on whether or not someone isn't their avowed sex isn't usually a good use of time in my opinion.

The REAL transgender issues- locker rooms, showers, dorms, sports and jails are incredibly damaging to women.

These fake issues like Mrs. Macron or Mrs. Obama tend to pull attention away from the real issues. Probably just clickbait for someone like Candace whose clicks mean money.

And that seems most likely. Dollars rather than sense! Ugliness and cruelty rather than compassion and dignity.

If Candace would remove herself from the gutter and start demanding legal protection for women from transgender threats that would be a far better use of her time.

Grumpy old lady rant of my own I guess. I just wish people would mind their own business and put their efforts into real stuff.
I understand. As I said to a friend of mine who is really into Candace, "She reminds me of Cruella." And of course being a devoted groupie he said, "She did dress as Cruella for Halloween one year." lol.

As I was in church this morning, a new song (or a new way the band played it) about God's holiness came with worship. From a series of events it has been about a month since I had been at church. So it was a love feast being back, amen. But just listened to the song, very well done. I did not sing because I did not know how to compliment what was going on musically. But as it reminded me of majestic themes of Him...and the raw and rugged way (often seemingly without manners--from One whom does not ceremonially wash before eating) how hard it must have been for much of Israel in the 1st century to see their sacred religion completely upended. How hard it would be to have known the truth for so long only to see what we understood of it to be trampled on by mannerless gentiles who often came pretty filthy.

It is in this notice I think it helps to appreciate the manner and style of which God might use challenging tropes to the world and even the church in our last days end times. How God might use a billionaire braggart playboy to save the world, lol, Cruella to light public fires while punishing Israel, in full sass and brass, or even like a John Fetterman to demonstrate hearts in politics that can change...something we want to be really for or really against but not permit it to be a transformative instructor cheerleader of honest organic changes in the heart. I believe we live in the age of alpha razor stubble. And sometimes that could be alpha female legs unshaven too I reckon. I guess what I am saying other than Candace accenting things to easily dislike about her, Is that even though I differ with her on several issues (and some very deeply)...I believe sometimes God can use the raw ugly of some to point out things that are equally raw against our biases on some levels. And if that is the nature of social artifact clues of end time ferver...what could be decoding ring elements for us might just only be just seen as poor and ugly judgements others have. But their ability to inform the nature of our age transcends our opinions on things about person, religion, stature, or orientation of political species. Because Candace is such a contortion of sorts, I believe she is probably an even better belwhether of end time kaliodoscpope appeture fragments by which to view things through perhaps even greater than Trump's. lol. And that is kind of saying something. lol. I don't expect consesus on this. But wanted to highlight in the way I mean it though a bit. Blessings dear sister. I know Candace rubs the wrong way. On the real, I would normally not get along too well with that type of person.
 
Teren, bless your intentions as you defend (kinda)—Candice. If you’ve known of her work at Prager U, long before Daily Wire, you would have known that she left her conservative audience. When she became Roman Catholic, wealthy, and pro Tate—she became perverse.
Thanks Hol. And bless your heart for reading my post and considering a reply. Like I mentioned before, back in the days of 45, I was hoping Candace might be considered as VP with Trump instead of Pence. The friend i mentioned back then was not really into Candace. He is somewhat left leaning. He thought her coming over to the right was to infiltrate. I was impressed by her struggles waking up in the NAACP. I thought her clarification on Hilter back then as not being a reasonable example of a nationalist was spot on. It's a rare quality that someone can pull that off and makes sense of it.

On the merits, I am not really inclined to defend Candace. As I don't really follow or listen to her. I might in like as a general social media sense homework assignment. But with great caution and often I just really don't have the patience to go through all of that...lol. There are far better samplings in society to get a cross pollenational pulse of social media than to spend too much or any time with her podcast. Well, if it looks like I might be in defense of her, I'm actually not. Well not really. If I might attempt to explain.

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Let's take something we can all agree on here. The Trump Bible. lol. I don't know anyone that does not have a problem with that. I do too. How I personally feel about that is that it is a sad day in America when the likes of Trump prints a Bible. We should be thankful though that it was not a study bible...lol. That would just be a total clown show. But believers are correct I believe to have concern of the kinds of lines that crosses. But I brought this up to help show how I meant what I said above about candace.

So here is the way I see the Trump Bible aside from my objection to it. Here are the kinds of things I look at in light of that subject matter:

  • Trump is the biggest world wide figure news maker known to modern history
  • Trump inserts the constitution
So to keep it really basic, those are the two main takeaways I observe that phenomenon. And the grand takeaway, for me, is this: There is a story being told today. I don't see end time eschatology limited to evangelical understandings of it biblically. And based upon how strange a lot of the watcher world can be, like all over the place, we are thankful that eschatology is not confined to evangelical Christian perspectives. That is not to say that we don't get some to many things right. Because I think we do, amen. But we know it can get wonky. And beyond wonky too. So it is like in that sense I would see that a story is being told too. Not in contrast to biblical eschatology. But for a different reason.

Now I'm a cessationist who deeply respects many in the Charismatic continuational view. I don't really go much by that. There is something I might have that is in common. That God chooses how He will relate to us uniquely as people. There is that. But there is also a sense of use of general revelation where I might be considered to share outside the commons of cessationism. Not in some mystical way like NAR. And not that I would see God providing new revelation or speaking through prophets today. Because I don't really see that as a thing in the church. But were there is likely some overlap is how God chooses to use Providence for the children of Providence, the church.

So in general I believe there is a providential story being told. Now we can have our own interpretations of that. But I don't really see private interpretation a thing for our age either. But a story being laid down providential like to or for or on behalf of the children of providence, His church. A good example of this I think is the Abraham Accords. Considering what story that tells can be very helpful. Not as new revelation. But as just Providence telling a story. Just that. So far the story it seems to be telling us in part is that it looks to be like a theme in how Israel will significantly prosper in our day and age. Sure there is the sense where it may well become the covenant the AC strengthens later. But what story is it in the age of grace Might it have one? My best guess is pertaining to some reasonable potential to climax Israel in the closing age of grace act. Best I can tell. And that would seem to very much fit some notions upon Ez 38 scripturally.

What does that have to do with the Trump Bible? lol. Not a lot. But it does I believe in one sense. Today the story seems to be for us that we live in a world where globalism is hungry to create the beast one world government system. And its rival seems to be some composit of Christian Nationalism. Neither are healthy options. But the Trump Bible, for me, fits in the story in that it demonstrates our moment. That our moment is the age of grace ending likely where Christian Nationalism against globalism is highlighted. So, no, we are not so lost in the woods to have need of a Trump Bible to highlight, "yes" that is what is going on. Because we see it. But that is the sober mind of the Church. There are many in the nation and the world that are not believers nor tracking with what hot mess we are all in. In that sense the general revelation story feature of a Trump Bible informs upon those folks that they live in an era where Nationalism vs globalism exists. Because America is the obvious disclosure of nationalism.

What it also suggests, to me in a general revelation like way, is that God has not struck Trump down with a lightening bolt (though we would well understand if He might on that one). But it brings us a first. A time when the most famous name on earth sells a Bible with the constitution in it. In a day and age where we might think America is not a part of eschatology, in contrast we have the first time the bible came in grand stand measure with the US Constitution. Now of course I could be wrong here. But that might suggest in a very dumbed down way (not a man on a silver mountain receiving Intel from on high way) that it could be providential graffiti speak for: America might be in eschatology. Maybe keep an eye on that in case, kind of thing. And in this way may serve as a social artifact. Now to the church it is crude at best, or blasphemous at worst. But if our age is an alpha age for cause, Trump's bible with the constitution could be considered, in my humble estimation, an alpha age "tell" in an alpha style way to inform upon a story.

If America fades away in short order, then, no. It would not be providential in the least. But if America super prospers under Trump and so Israel, then it could be considered a to serve as an absurd alpha feature in an age of grace end time-ish way perhaps. So what I am hopeful to share here is that maybe alpha formations of the Abraham Accords, and alpha obscurities like a Trump Bible to occur in our social moment...it is possible there is some traction in American being highlighted in a Trump Bible South Park like animation as metaphor for sloppy disclosure way. That we came to a day and age where something like that became a thing. But see Hollie, in how I might see that is not in favor of Trump printing his own Bible. But rather solely upon the wings of how Trump might be used toward Israel in our day. Because, although the Trump Bible is not a biblical theme, it may well be though a social artifact reference point of which way the proverbial winds are blowing.

I understand the concern in the church would be to not be at all in favor of the creation of a Trump Bible. But given his position ongoing, it could be a consideration of a wind blowing in a particular direction. I mean, look, if it ends up being that America overturns globalism possession of her, and as a result because of military super might protecting Israel (and she tend to enlarge because of it), its notice and disclosure would likely have to be a heads up in some way of eschatalogical rubber meeting the road field operation like experiencial way. So even though our thoughts upon that matter has awarded dishonor in respect to Trump doing that, as providential evidential import could be considered a bellwether of sorts to the world. That it is an alpha day and age of something dramatic not too far coming. And that certainly not be for temporal hope to succeed as a nation, but rather somewhat of a disclosure of what matrix Dorothy's house from Kansas landed in. If that makes sense?

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Certainly you do not have to agree. But my comments in reference to Candace is what story rich elements in age of grace end time eschatology might she be primed with. Not because she is some ultra faithful Christian to deserve such honor. But just like Trump (who is not biblically honored to publish a Bible), one having an influencer status by which God might tag for general revelation story telling. That would have no tie-in with God rewarding Trump or Candace in this way. For these, if true even, would be things that transcend their person. Even their office of influence. But storyboard attributes parlayed by God in His service. Somewhat (although not nearly identical because of meaning) like Caiaphas's prophecy as High Priest. He was not saved. But as one holding that office, was used by God to convey prophesy, being in no wise a genuine prophet. Or Baalam's star prophecy in Numbers 24. Baalan was a prophet for hire. And therefore false. But transcended by God for His purpose.

What I am not saying is that God is prophesying through Trump or Candace. This is not the greatest comparison. But just borrowing a principle of God using those who don't honor Him to do sovereign acts on His behalf. In that sense, providentially, God can use whoever He wants to tell His story. The best example of how I lean on this for Candace, would be when she said "Christ is King." Ben Shaprio took that as a slam. But in the social media world (which huge swaths of unbelievers partake), what this would have to demonstrate if we are near a tribulation is that Christ is king clashes with Israel in unbelief...a metaphor in social artifcat storyboard form. A time has come when a huge HUGE media blitz occured over saying Christ is King. This has no bearing on even whether Candace is saved or not. But what it would seem to suggest disclosing in high octane and population rich social media world, is that this theme of Christian and unbeliever Israel is to be of super hot notice. Let's say if we might be within a potential 5 year window toward Ez 38, this exchange of "Christ and His church" vs. "Israel and her unbelief, motif just got millions of social media views. And if it in some or any way underscores the nearness of the church leaving in rapture and Israel coming up to bat for the tribulation, it would make a lot of sense for this huge and massive online debate to highlight a story. A story near to happen. A story about Christ to come soon, and that of Israel cued for the 70th week. That would not be a stretch if we were close to that week's timing. At minimum, perhaps a mercy of God upon a fallen world to get a sense of what day and age might be upon us.

In a vacuum, none of that is relevant. But if we are near, it could be considered a way in which God uses events and people and drama to highlight the story He is telling. He is not telling us the Candace nor the Trump story. If anything, He is telling us His story in Providence. The Abraham Accords could be seen as story too. A story of Israel in sheer notice of evolving into her peace and safety Ez 38 moment. So, like, I get it if this sounds pretty wild, lol. But I don't view things this way to try and stretch out meaning all over the place, as much as it would make sense for God to make significant use of general revelation to a generation that is just about to become a bowling alley. God considers general revelation sufficient enough evidence to condemn any of us in unbelief (Rom 1). And it does so because general revelation tells His story. Of what the one who created all of this is like. It would make sense that God would perhaps turn up the volume on that a bit, in His grace, to a generation that will soon wish they could trade what is coming for a one way trip on the Titanic. So it is this way I would see perhaps some social artificat richness in a Trump, or Candace etc. In a similar way we got to see His story in Biden. How rare a gem for the world to see such grand contrast. That which had been hidden for many many decades, just got to be as self evident as a sloppy Joe (pun not really intended though...lol). That God would use such a godless man to help the world see that what had been hidden for so long, just became a tortured theater of what is wrong with this country as though it were performing art...story. If that makes sense?
 
That does make sense.

Candace is an unpleasant little reflection of society gone bad.

Her rants are popular, and give voice to some really nasty antisemitic themes which is what I've usually become aware of. I don't follow the woman and lost all interest in what she had to say once she went public with her views on Jews, Israel etc.

Until this thread I didn't realize she was the source of a lot of the silly nonsense about Brigitte's gender. I don't have a lot of patience for that sort of concern- there are REAL transgender issues to deal with and focusing on whether or not someone isn't their avowed sex isn't usually a good use of time in my opinion.

The REAL transgender issues- locker rooms, showers, dorms, sports and jails are incredibly damaging to women.

These fake issues like Mrs. Macron or Mrs. Obama tend to pull attention away from the real issues. Probably just clickbait for someone like Candace whose clicks mean money.

And that seems most likely. Dollars rather than sense! Ugliness and cruelty rather than compassion and dignity.

If Candace would remove herself from the gutter and start demanding legal protection for women from transgender threats that would be a far better use of her time.

Grumpy old lady rant of my own I guess. I just wish people would mind their own business and put their efforts into real stuff.
Bringing it back to the thread topic...lol...sorry for the detour there (just hoping to clear up a sub point related), I don't do a lot of research on this. I do know there are views on Bridget's past family and children that offer argument in favor against legitimacy. I really have not cared as much about this issue in the past. Perhaps i will bone up on it in the future. So i am not even aware how to address any of that. But are there some interesting articles remotely related to some subpoints here?:

Macron’s Globalist Regime Storm Troopers Raid National Rally in ‘Campaign Finance Probe’​


X Challenges French Data Inquiry, Accuses Authorities Of Political Bias​


X Describes French Investigation as Politically Driven​


Now i don't know about Elon. There may indeed be X tampering. It is possible. But as the French is a huge part of the EU vibe, it's not like France is so free thinking itself. Even recent news emerging from how Macron handled things politically is clearly in favor of EU policy...not caring about public outcry.

Macron Rejects Immigration Referendum Despite Strong Public Support and Ministerial Backing​


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So in short, just saying that on a larger scale, to me, there is an interesting point to consider that we know if the EU had its way, it would draw America into and under its EU wing. And make hate speech a crime in the USA as a stepping stone. So to me, that, on the global scale of an actual literally existing clandestine war of globalism upon America, seems to be in an overarching sense I suppose my greatest immediate takeaway. What we have in a way is an EU supporting entity attempt to shut down the American first amendment. Which has been I think under assault for decades now. Unfortunately whatever else Macron is or represents, he does enforce globalist policy. And also unfortunately, that would have to factor in on some level.

Do I think Candace should run around pointing the finger at everyone using her platform to shame people? No. Even though I would be in agreement with Candace where she is right leaning toward transgenderism and the leftist version of feminism, even there dear sister, i would see a problem with Candace. I probe things from a lot of different angles. And of course will get things wrong in places as any of us will. But i try...lol. I try to see it from reasonable different vantage points. One was actually concerning Candace.

A while back an atheist female who has a large following debated Ray Comfort. Although i have issues with Ray in his reformed leanings, i would be more biblically of course aligned with him than an atheist. But in that interview the atheist did bring Ray down a path to recant part of his argument style. Which i thought was a touching moment. To come from a time of the crusades to church leaders taking time and heart to engage sincere concerns of unbelievers. I thought that was touching. This atheist did a video on Candace and her views on roles for women against feminist leftist views. And although i would side with Candace on the conservative biblical merits, this atheist actually made better sense on one main thematic point: Not every single woman on planet earth will get married and have children. And that should be taken into consideration. Even something as simple as 1 Cor 7 informs us biblically that although God in his ordination of how the sexes are created has deemed the general role of women to be wives and mothers, the scripture itself is aware of the intricacies that not all will, and that is not a condition to shame into an otherwise prescribed role. On that point, that you cannot intimidate women into being wives and mothers--in that way, I would side with the atheist more than i would Candace in cookie cutting images to power-platform an influential position (which i would see that Candace is guilty of doing on a number of fronts).

So i share this to testify that Candace should not go running around shame basting everyone with her positions. And then there is the whole Andrew Tate thing, lol, so kind of sad, for sure. But I say what i am with these things against Candace. Still, there are minuscule aspects, traits, DNA of freedom of speech vs. the globalist imperialistic EU mindset on the table here. Regardless of how ham-handed Candace's approach is here, what is a far greater RealWorld political war is the survival of the 1st amendment amidst a myriad of social conditionings the EU has upon the world and the USA. While Trump is in office, a nation can be a little at rest from fearing too much encroachment from the EU feminization of culture--to obey the globalist elitist mindset of the EU, but how much more severe a condition this Candace/Macron media issue would present as under a democrat ruled executive office--is anyone's guess where any of that might have gone. Just saying.

I am blessed by your being irked by Candace. As it is publicly rather shameful, certainly some of her approaches. But i believe your concern would be far more stellar and brilliantly shinning like a diamond shown on display, if the actual real-world warfare going on was not how globalism wants to choke America to death. Because it has. And it will...to whatever degree we let it. And America is primed to let it. So I would just see that as the greater threat. And if in that condition, an obnoxious spoiled brat version of not knowing how to otherwise express a semi-adolescent attitude of concern toward all of that...feeling suffocated and not knowing how to properly balance emotional intelligence to respond to all of that (as Candace has shown--a condition she kind of has). To feel its intimidation eroding one's own country, knowing the EU had also put forth legislation to obligate all businesses in the EU to hold every relation that business has to Paris Accord's Climate Change corporate mandates (a condition to bankrupt the West while China goes scott free) or suffers grave financial penalty (which is a thing unfortunately), in contrast i would see the economic enforcing imperial entities that enforce world enslavement under globalism to kind of, "take it," you know? lol. You may not agree. There is also the apsect of Bridget courting Macron as a minor...which like smooth and couching blurring of lines, globalism does so well upon the social mind. But I just wanted that clarification if helpful for consideration. Clarification more directly fitting under the direct theme of this thread topic, hopefully, amen. Hope that makes sense on some levels if it might though dear sister. Thanks for takingthe time to read. Blessing.s :)
 
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What I am not saying is that God is prophesying through Trump or Candace. This is not the greatest comparison. But just borrowing a principle of God using those who don't honor Him to do sovereign acts on His behalf. In that sense, providentially, God can use whoever He wants to tell His story. The best example of how I lean on this for Candace, would be when she said "Christ is King." Ben Shaprio took that as a slam. But in the social media world (which huge swaths of unbelievers partake), what this would have to demonstrate if we are near a tribulation is that Christ is king clashes with Israel in unbelief...a metaphor in social artifcat storyboard form. A time has come when a huge HUGE media blitz occured over saying Christ is King.
Contrast Candace with John the Baptist crying in the wilderness. I can’t think of an example in the Bible where God uses anyone taunting Jews. You mentioned Balaam & Caiaphas' prophecy, both good examples of God using unbelievers, but I think it’s a stretch to add Candace’s battle with Ben Shapiro. If she honestly meant that because she recently got saved, she would have publicly repented of her public support for Andrew Tate. Her tweet targeting Shapiro was so pious and none of it struck me as sincere faith. Those who took on the Christ is King banner also weaponized it, with a few exceptions. We are to provoke the Jews to jealousy. Candace reminds me more of the boys taunting Elijah. Since then her conspiracy theories about Jews have sucked her into a dark place.

Regarding the Trump Bible, that didn’t bother me. I wouldn’t buy one, but he presented it with a pinch of humility and a pound of ego because he needs a changed life. I may be way off, but he doesn’t act pious (to me). Every time he says ‘God bless America,’ or something like that, he’s sincere.
 
I’m no fan of the Macrons and their relationship is strange to me, but if Brigitte is indeed a woman as I believe she is, I feel sorry for her. This is a vicious rumor akin to high school bullying and here it is happening to a president’s wife in front of the whole world. Imagine how hurtful this is to her. Same with Michelle.
 
And Candace Owens is off the chain, she is using her influence to bully and I’m not cool with that at all even if Brigitte was actually a man. Even is she is XY male that’s her dang business right? It’s just vicious and I agree with Margery she should be using her platform for much better things.
 
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