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LEFT BEHIND FOR BAD BEHAVIOR?

Andy C

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A Bible Study by Jack Kelley

One of the most telling indicators that the rapture is near is the number of people who write fearing that because of their behavior they’re going to be left behind. People didn’t worry so much about that when they thought the rapture was off in the distant future.

I’m sure some of this is due to the normal conviction of the Holy Spirit and in that case it’s not a rapture issue because as we’ll see born again believers can’t be excluded from the Rapture for any reason.

No, I think most of the fear of missing the rapture comes from the false “partial-rapture” teaching. There are several variations on this theme but they all claim that just being saved is either not enough to put you in the rapture, or it’s not enough to get you into the Kingdom after you are raptured. They say you also have to be worthy in some additional way. In my opinion none of this can be reconciled with Scripture.

I want to approach the subject the way the US Treasury department trains bank employees to recognize counterfeit money. Instead of showing them all the fakes and pointing out what makes them fake, they focus on what legitimate bills look like. That way when bank tellers spot a bill that doesn’t look like what they have learned to recognize, they know it has to be a fake.

Let’s use that same principle to focus on what the Bible says about who qualifies for the rapture. Then we’ll know whether what we hear matches that. If it doesn’t it’s a false teaching.

How Do We Qualify?​

In order to exist in the presence of God, we have to be as righteous as He is. In the Lord’s time the Pharisees were thought to be the most righteous men in Israel. They were absolutely compulsive about keeping the Law, even straining their water before drinking it to avoid accidentally swallowing a tiny bug.

They come off badly in the Bible because of their resistance to the Gospel, but they were held in high esteem by the people as role models of righteousness.

Their problems with Jesus began in the early days of His ministry. Speaking to a large group on the shores of the Sea of Galilee, Jesus said, “For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law you will certainly not enter the Kingdom of Heaven” (Matt. 5:20). They didn’t like hearing that they would be excluded from the Kingdom.

Then He explained that righteousness is not just a matter of outward behavior, but also includes inner motivation. Anger is as bad as murder, lustful thoughts are as bad as adultery. He went on to teach them things that were utterly amazing to them, even saying they must “Be perfect therefore, as your Father in Heaven is perfect”(Matt. 5:48) in order to qualify for the Kingdom . By the time He was finished it was clear that no human on Earth could ever achieve this high standard.

Then He said if they asked Him for this righteousness He would give it to them. All of them. He said, “Everyone who asks receives. He who seeks finds, and to Him who knocks the door will be opened (Matt. 7:7-8).

He compared depending on Him to a narrow road with a small gate (Matt. 7:13-14). The name on the gate is faith. The temptation to do things in our own strength in an effort to secure our own righteousness is hard to resist, but if we’re not careful we’ll find ourselves on the wrong road, the broad one with the wide gate named works.

We must watch out for false teachers who will try to take us off the narrow road with a combination of faith and works. It doesn’t matter what kind of good work we do, even if we do it in His name, only those who do the will of our Father in Heaven will enter the Kingdom (Matt. 7:13-23). And what is our Father’s will?

Jesus said, “I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:38-40)

And what kind of work does He require of us? When they asked Him this a few verses earlier, He replied, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent” (John 6:29) There’s nothing you can add to your faith in what the Lord has done. No good works of yours will either earn or hold your place in the rapture. It’s based totally on what you believe and not on how you behave.

Paul had a lot to say about this, and some of it has been misinterpreted too.

But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. (Romans 3:21-22)

Our righteousness is imputed to us by faith because of our belief that when Jesus went to the cross He took all the sins of our life and paid the full penalty for them there (Colossians 2:13-14). If all the penalty for all your sins has already been paid, what more can you do?

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! (2 Cor. 5:17)

From God’s perspective, the old sinner no longer exists. He’s been replaced by the new righteous saint. How could this be?

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God (2 Cor. 5:21). Because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. (Hebrews 10:14)

Because of our faith in the sufficiency of the cross, God is able to see us not as we are but as we will become when we’re perfected in the rapture. The sins we still commit are viewed as if it’s no longer us doing the sinning but the sin nature that still temporarily dwells within us. Here’s Paul again.

I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. (Romans 7:18-20)

Those who want to deny this call our attention to passages like 1 Cor. 6:8-10 as if Paul, writing under the influence of the Holy Spirit could contradict himself.

“Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

But they stop too soon because in verse 11 Paul explained, “And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” (1 Cor. 6:11)

Notice he said, “And that is what some of you were.” Because we’re a new creation, God no longer sees us the way we used to be. We’ve been washed, sanctified and justified. In other words, all our sins have been washed away by the blood of Jesus, we’ve been made holy by Him, and He has rendered us righteous. As righteous as He is. Please understand that all this was done by Him. We might have been part of the group described in 1 Cor. 6:9-10 sometime in the past, but because we accepted the Lord’s sacrifice on our behalf we no longer are.

Some folks can’t get past the idea that being good has to count for something and it does, but it’s not what they think. Once again we’ll get Paul’s input.

“Everything is permissible”—but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible”—but not everything is constructive. Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others. (1 Cor. 10:23-24)

Although we’re encouraged in the strongest possible way to behave in a manner pleasing to the Lord, no where in the New Testament are we told that our behavior will endanger our salvation, nor will it jeopardize our place in the rapture. So while we can theoretically do whatever we want, some behavior is just not good. First of all, our bad behavior can have a negative impact others. We should always be aware of how our actions are being viewed, and we should never knowingly behave in a manner that causes a weaker brother to stumble.

Second, and more important, living up to what we have already attained (as Paul put it in Phil. 3:16) is how the Lord wants us to express our gratitude to Him for what we’ve been given. Not to earn or keep anything, but to give thanks for what we already have. It’s something He wants us to want to do.

You see, we didn’t get where we are because of any merit or worthiness on our part. But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. (Ephesians 2:4-9) It’s the best gift ever given, it’s free, and it’s worthy of our gratitude.

So the bottom line is your ticket to the rapture came with your membership in the Church. It’s part of the inheritance you were guaranteed when you first believed (Ephes. 1:13-14). And your membership in the Church came as a result of your belief that Jesus gave His life to pay the penalty for all your sins and rose again to show that His payment was sufficient (Romans 10:9). As soon as you believed that you became as righteous as He is. There’s nothing you can do for good or bad that will ever change that (Romans 8:38-39). So if we’re all as righteous as God is, how can some deserve to go in the rapture or gain entry into the Kingdom while others don’t? They can’t.

As an expression of your gratitude you can choose to behave in a manner that’s more pleasing to God. That’s what He wants you to do. But you’d better hurry because soon you won’t even be able to do that. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. (1 Thes. 4:16-17) You can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah. 04-09-11

 
Although we’re encouraged in the strongest possible way to behave in a manner pleasing to the Lord, no where in the New Testament are we told that our behavior will endanger our salvation, nor will it jeopardize our place in the rapture. So while we can theoretically do whatever we want, some behavior is just not good. First of all, our bad behavior can have a negative impact others. We should always be aware of how our actions are being viewed, and we should never knowingly behave in a manner that causes a weaker brother to stumble.
This truth seems to be a stumbling block for many who dont understand this, and may never experience assurance of salvation.
 
This truth seems to be a stumbling block for many who dont understand this, and may never experience assurance of salvation.
We all would fall short if salvation is based on us. We can't be good enough to earn our salvation. Jesus paid our sin debt in full past, present, and future it is finished paid in full. It is a gift to those who believe and receive Jesus. We are sealed until the day of redemption.
 
This truth seems to be a stumbling block for many who dont understand this, and may never experience assurance of salvation.
I never had assurance of salvation, RCC gave me no sense of security, lordship salvation left me miserably conflicted and always unsure, then I entered Rapture Ready website and after 3 months of reading and learning I crossed over into salvation by faith in Christ 😍
 
I never had assurance of salvation, RCC gave me no sense of security, lordship salvation left me miserably conflicted and always unsure, then I entered Rapture Ready website and after 3 months of reading and learning I crossed over into salvation by faith in Christ 😍

I was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo very lucky being blessed with saving faith when I was only 3. It was black-and-white and very simple: either you believed Jesus died for your sins and you went to Heaven when you died, or you didn't believe that Jesus died for your sins and you went to Hell when you died. My Maternal Grandmother's very graphic description of Hell scared me into it, and I'm so thankful she had the wisdom to recognize that I was one of those kids that needed The Gospel to be presented in those terms, and had the wherewithall to do it <3 Doesn't mean I haven't had those times that I worried that I was deluding myself into thinking I was saved and wasn't, or that my behavior was so unrepentant and displeasing to God that I was genuinely concerned that He would send me to Hell. Fortunately, first love and the freedom I learned expressed in the 5 Solas (and Ephesians 2:8-10) <3


8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Ephesians 2:8-10, KJV
 
I was soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo very lucky being blessed with saving faith when I was only 3. It was black-and-white and very simple: either you believed Jesus died for your sins and you went to Heaven when you died, or you didn't believe that Jesus died for your sins and you went to Hell when you died. My Maternal Grandmother's very graphic description of Hell scared me into it, and I'm so thankful she had the wisdom to recognize that I was one of those kids that needed The Gospel to be presented in those terms, and had the wherewithall to do it <3 Doesn't mean I haven't had those times that I worried that I was deluding myself into thinking I was saved and wasn't, or that my behavior was so unrepentant and displeasing to God that I was genuinely concerned that He would send me to Hell. Fortunately, first love and the freedom I learned expressed in the 5 Solas (and Ephesians 2:8-10) <3


8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Ephesians 2:8-10, KJV
Until I read your account of salvation at age 3, I did not believe a child so young could truly understand what salvation is.
 
Until I read your account of salvation at age 3, I did not believe a child so young could truly understand what salvation is.

The Gospel is really simple.
As a child grows and learns, more knowledge, understanding, and (eventually) wisdom follow. But Salvation is only dependent on believing the simple good news of The Gospel: Jesus died for our sins so if we believe, we go to Heaven and don't have to go to Hell.


16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16, KJV
 
Until I read your account of salvation at age 3, I did not believe a child so young could truly understand what salvation is.

John leapt for joy when he was yet unborn and Elizabeth came into Mary's presence when she was pregnant with Jesus.

Unborn babies respond to their Parents' voices and touch, music, etc.

No reason why Parents can't read the Bible to their unborn babies and give then a head start (and continue after birth), sing stuff out of the hymnal . . .


39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;
40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
50 And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.
Luke 1:39-50, KJV
 
I was saved at 4. I had a dream, still remember it. Jesus was walking by our house and He turned and beckoned to me to follow Him. I was stumbling trying to pull my boots on and run out the door after Him.

The dream ended before I could catch up to Him, but in the morning I was explaining the dream to my mother - my Christian mother -- and she made me so annoyed, because she said I was too young and it was just a dream.

I still remember trying to explain it to her, and the frustration of not making it clear enough that she would understand what I was saying. Her point of view was that this was not how God worked in modern times. Just a dream, and I was far too young.

Well it certainly was a dream, and I've never forgotten it and I knew that all I ever wanted was to run after Jesus and belong to Him from that moment forward.

I'm sure mum told me about giving my heart to the Lord,- sin, the Cross, belief in Christ. She read the Bible to me and my sister every night, and led us in prayers too.

But what I knew at 4 was that He was the most important person in my life, and all I wanted to do was follow Him.

By 8 I was memorizing scripture verses with my mum's dad, my grandfather when we went to visit for short periods.

At 10 I finally got her to agree to allow me to get baptized. She kept saying I was too young (against infant baptism) to make such a momentous decision. I can remember the same sense of frustration but I wore her down and I got baptized at 10 (not immersion- it was a Presbyterian church so it was sprinkling). I was re baptized by immersion at a Baptist church in my late teens as I decided to recommit my life then, and I'd decided that immersion was something I wanted as the sprinkling didn't seem to be as drastic a step.

Our son got saved around the age of 5, our daughter was around 4. With both of them I knew the commitment was real.

I don't discount children that young making a lifetime commitment. All of us have renewed that commitment over the years, but that was when it happened.
 
Until I read your account of salvation at age 3, I did not believe a child so young could truly understand what salvation is.

I actually came to saving faith in Molly's Sunday School class either right before Grandma taught me Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep and what it really meant, including her vivid depiction of Hell, or (more likely) shortly thereafter. That moment was very clear: I just knew. Everything that I knew then (not much LOL) made perfect sense, as only it can to a small child with simple, linear thinking, only knowing a Bible worldview, and no false ideas/inputs from the world. I can still remember it, what Molly was wearing, and the warm sunshine beaming in through the big, tall windows in the classroom, like it was last week. Either way, I was 3 and everything was either-or. No in-between, no gray area, no sometimes, no maybe, etc. Jesus loved me and died for my sins so I would go to Heaven and not Hell when I died. I'm guessing about which order based on when my Grandparents visited (usually July or August, although a couple times at Christmas), that Sunday School was fall-winter-spring, and my family didn't go to church in the summer unless we were visiting my Grandparents in Pennsylvania. And I might have needed a reiteration of The Gospel part of Law and Gospel/Hell and Heaven, since Hell was so scary.

In any case, very young children can and do get blessed with saving faith.


I'm curious. In your church, if a 3 year old professed simple, saving faith with a simple understanding that if you believe Jesus died for your sins you go to Heaven when you die, and if you don't believe Jesus died for your sins you go to Hell when you die, would the Pastor be OK with Baptizing him or her (Believer's Baptism)?
 
I actually came to saving faith in Molly's Sunday School class either right before Grandma taught me Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep and what it really meant, including her vivid depiction of Hell, or (more likely) shortly thereafter. That moment was very clear: I just knew. Everything that I knew then (not much LOL) made perfect sense, as only it can to a small child with simple, linear thinking, only knowing a Bible worldview, and no false ideas/inputs from the world. I can still remember it, what Molly was wearing, and the warm sunshine beaming in through the big, tall windows in the classroom, like it was last week. Either way, I was 3 and everything was either-or. No in-between, no gray area, no sometimes, no maybe, etc. Jesus loved me and died for my sins so I would go to Heaven and not Hell when I died. I'm guessing about which order based on when my Grandparents visited (usually July or August, although a couple times at Christmas), that Sunday School was fall-winter-spring, and my family didn't go to church in the summer unless we were visiting my Grandparents in Pennsylvania. And I might have needed a reiteration of The Gospel part of Law and Gospel/Hell and Heaven, since Hell was so scary.

In any case, very young children can and do get blessed with saving faith.


I'm curious. In your church, if a 3 year old professed simple, saving faith with a simple understanding that if you believe Jesus died for your sins you go to Heaven when you die, and if you don't believe Jesus died for your sins you go to Hell when you die, would the Pastor be OK with Baptizing him or her (Believer's Baptism)?
I have never seen in any church I attended a child even close to that young get baptized.
 
I actually came to saving faith in Molly's Sunday School class either right before Grandma taught me Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep and what it really meant, including her vivid depiction of Hell, or (more likely) shortly thereafter. That moment was very clear: I just knew. Everything that I knew then (not much LOL) made perfect sense, as only it can to a small child with simple, linear thinking, only knowing a Bible worldview, and no false ideas/inputs from the world. I can still remember it, what Molly was wearing, and the warm sunshine beaming in through the big, tall windows in the classroom, like it was last week. Either way, I was 3 and everything was either-or. No in-between, no gray area, no sometimes, no maybe, etc. Jesus loved me and died for my sins so I would go to Heaven and not Hell when I died. I'm guessing about which order based on when my Grandparents visited (usually July or August, although a couple times at Christmas), that Sunday School was fall-winter-spring, and my family didn't go to church in the summer unless we were visiting my Grandparents in Pennsylvania. And I might have needed a reiteration of The Gospel part of Law and Gospel/Hell and Heaven, since Hell was so scary.

In any case, very young children can and do get blessed with saving faith.


I'm curious. In your church, if a 3 year old professed simple, saving faith with a simple understanding that if you believe Jesus died for your sins you go to Heaven when you die, and if you don't believe Jesus died for your sins you go to Hell when you die, would the Pastor be OK with Baptizing him or her (Believer's Baptism)?
You have a unique and amazing story of when you became a believer. Awesome!
 
It was The Holy Ghost. He worked an awesome miracle in me.

Considering how good Children's Church and Sunday School were at the church I went to until Confirmation age, I'd bet a lot of the kids there were blessed with saving faith at very young ages. A real ordained (male) Pastor led/taught/preached Children's Church, and I remember my Sunday School teachers overall all the way through being good (they also assisted kids find what they needed in the hymnals and Bibles, acted as ushers, including keeping kids in line during Children's Church, etc.). All of us kids were given real (adult-type) KJV Bibles (concordance, maps, notes, etc.) in the 4th Grade and expected to bring them to and from church and read along with the Scripture readings during Children's Church and read aloud from them in Sunday School :) Parents were supposed to ensure we read them at home . . .
 
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