Lee Brainard's words

[StephanMerm]

Sorry Stephanie, please except my apologies for calling you a mister

No worries! I realize using Stephan in my user name is confusing
( short for Stephanie ) but I’ve also answered to being called Jennifer , Tiffany and Bethany too , so I guess I’ll answer to anything !!

 

[Margery]

Absolutely! Such a valid point that everything being a sign is no sign

Just wanting him as any fellow believer , especially those who have more of a platform and following , to guard against associating with and being influenced by known false teachers especially because we are told to mark and avoid them ( as best we can )

I completely agree with that stance. We should always be careful, even with ministries that we know and trust- because first of all the best of us can have huge weak spots, and secondly we always have to be Bereans.

I love Chuck Missler's take on this. He is ALWAYS cautioning people listening or reading to check the scriptures for themselves, to see if these things be so. He is with the Lord now, and I love his teaching, but there are just a few spots that I'd quibble with like with any good teacher.

Lee is an excellent scholar, but I don't agree with him on his take on Babylon, and I think he borders on the weird when it comes to his black thread teaching. He has an unusual take on timing of the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls, that they are somehow both progressive and simultaneous which I've gone over and don't think I'd agree but short of those things, he's been great on everything else.

Edited to add, I am more focused on what they teach, how it stacks up against the Bible and how it compares to conservative dispensational teachers overall.

People I respect like Jan Markell and Gary Stearman rub shoulders with some that I consider way beyond acceptable, while their own teaching remains good in general.

 

[TCC]

I completely agree with that stance. We should always be careful, even with ministries that we know and trust- because first of all the best of us can have huge weak spots, and secondly we always have to be Bereans.

I love Chuck Missler's take on this. He is ALWAYS cautioning people listening or reading to check the scriptures for themselves, to see if these things be so. He is with the Lord now, and I love his teaching, but there are just a few spots that I'd quibble with like with any good teacher.

Lee is an excellent scholar, but I don't agree with him on his take on Babylon, and I think he borders on the weird when it comes to his black thread teaching. He has an unusual take on timing of the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls, that they are somehow both progressive and simultaneous which I've gone over and don't think I'd agree but short of those things, he's been great on everything else.

Edited to add, I am more focused on what they teach, how it stacks up against the Bible and how it compares to conservative dispensational teachers overall.

People I respect like Jan Markell and Gary Stearman rub shoulders with some that I consider way beyond acceptable, while their own teaching remains good in general.

Well said Margery. In general if i outed every viewpoint i would see as not consistent with scripture, I would be an island left only to my own thoughts. I so richly appreciate @StephanMerm points of concern with Lee. I think her sense of mark and avoid is from sound biblical concern. I would actually agree with her on that. My emphasis though would be more in how I would be concerned with any ministry finding itself self important though more than the bad company kept. Although I well understand and honor and respect Steph's heart to the mark and avoid sense (a huge reason i love Servus Christi), I would just see the dispensational silhouette we find ourselves is as governing or housing how that might best be used in redeeming the times we find ourselves uniquely in. In that makes a half baked cake sense.

So what is Lee's view on Babylon in general? I totally agree with your concern of making seals both historical and contemporary. To me that is almost like a political politician like view...lol. Staying safe and either or both sides. I believe Lee believes it. To me though Revelation is raw more than poetic. Blessings.

 

[StephanMerm]

I completely agree with that stance. We should always be careful, even with ministries that we know and trust- because first of all the best of us can have huge weak spots, and secondly we always have to be Bereans.

I love Chuck Missler's take on this. He is ALWAYS cautioning people listening or reading to check the scriptures for themselves, to see if these things be so. He is with the Lord now, and I love his teaching, but there are just a few spots that I'd quibble with like with any good teacher.

Lee is an excellent scholar, but I don't agree with him on his take on Babylon, and I think he borders on the weird when it comes to his black thread teaching. He has an unusual take on timing of the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls, that they are somehow both progressive and simultaneous which I've gone over and don't think I'd agree but short of those things, he's been great on everything else.

Edited to add, I am more focused on what they teach, how it stacks up against the Bible and how it compares to conservative dispensational teachers overall.

People I respect like Jan Markell and Gary Stearman rub shoulders with some that I consider way beyond acceptable, while their own teaching remains good in general.

I totally agree with you … I still tune in to watch Jan and a few others but I also noticed some of their associations that raise my eyebrows! Maybe at some point it’d be appropriate to elaborate but I can tell you and many others in this forum have good discernment and an ability to make wise decisions about who and what to listen
to ( as has been stated , no one is perfect or has all the answers for that matter !)

Thank you for sharing your insights… I can get to a point of tending to “ throw the baby out with the bath water” kind of thinking and “ boycott “ for lack of a better term some of these sane people and their cohorts sometimes it’s not a bad thing to do but not always…. Filtering everything through scripture is key and one’s convictions can come in to play too ( which I am learning to share with others but not push onto them )

 

[StephanMerm]

Well said Margery. In general if i outed every viewpoint i would see as not consistent with scripture, I would be an island left only to my own thoughts. I so richly appreciate @StephanMerm points of concern with Lee. I think her sense of mark and avoid is from sound biblical concern. I would actually agree with her on that. My emphasis though would be more in how I would be concerned with any ministry finding itself self important though more than the bad company kept. Although I well understand and honor and respect Steph's heart to the mark and avoid sense (a huge reason i love Servus Christi), I would just see the dispensational silhouette we find ourselves is as governing or housing how that might best be used in redeeming the times we find ourselves uniquely in. In that makes a half baked cake sense.

So what is Lee's view on Babylon in general? I totally agree with your concern of making seals both historical and contemporary. To me that is almost like a political politician like view...lol. Staying safe and either or both sides. I believe Lee believes it. To me though Revelation is raw more than poetic. Blessings.

@TCC … there’d probably be an island with my name on it near yours