Jeffrey Epstein's Island visitors

[Umbrella Girl]

What I find absolutely astounding is simply the lengths that some of mankind will go to in order to obtain a few minutes of illicit sexual pleasure.

They will severely abuse others, and destroy other people’s lives, their own lives, and entire families.

For those few minutes of cheap, fleeting pleasure…

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

I've met at least two on the OP list. Does this mean I'm guilty by association, too?
Haven't looked at the longer list, yet . . .

Wonder who else flew out to the island on other planes, or maybe went by boat, and whose manifests aren't included in the compilation?

Wonder about the Secret Service and State Department VIP protection details personnel that accompany Presidents and their immediate families, wherever they go? Looks like only high-profile names are on the list.

What about private security personnel paid for by other people on that list?

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

I have to wonder how many of those were aware of the evil and how many were aware of the evil and participated in the evil, and how many are mostly clueless but guilty by association.

And how many weren't aware until they got there, and then were stuck until they could fly (or maybe sail) out, and avoided doing anything bad?

Just because someone was there does not necessarily mean they did anything wrong.

Agree. At least in the U.S., innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (criminal courts) or preponderance of evidence (civil courts).

Actual jurisdiction of the Epstein islands is U.S. Virgin Islands.
USVI Judiciary Home

The other courts have jurisdiction over related crimes that happened within their jurisdiction.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

It was reported that there still are some names that have been withheld. Wonder who they could be, and why they're being withheld?

*"Edited to add....

The reason some names have been withheld is due to being minors and families want privacy for the minors.


"Some records will remain confidential, including those who were children when they were subject to the abuse and want to maintain privacy, the AP noted."

Judge orders Epstein associates’ names unsealed

A federal judge in New York has ordered the identities of more than 150 people mentioned in court documents related to the crimes of Jeffrey Epstein to be unsealed. Judge Loretta A. Preska said mos…

thehill.com

Withholding names of victims of sexual crimes, whether minors or not, is supposed to happen in most U.S. jurisdictions. There may be adult victim names being withheld, as well.

 

[1LoverofGod]

Withholding names of victims of sexual crimes, whether minors or not, is supposed to happen in most U.S. jurisdictions. There may be adult victim names being withheld, as well.

And in some States there's a law that sex offenders must be registered and their names are made public record because such offenders, especially involving minors, a convicted registered sex offender must stay within so many yards away from public schools.

I believe in California this was the case at some point but no longer is law to have to register as a sex offender. I think this is horrible because at times a minor may consent out of fear but because it's law in California nobody gets prosecuted anymore if there's that ten years gap between a minor and adult and if the minor says it was ok with them then the adult doesn't get prosecuted. All I can envision is a huge "Millstone " around that adult's neck in the Middle of the sea.....

The following link explains this law that passed the California House and Senate....

By Mary Stringini
Published September 2, 2020
FoxLA news....

"If signed into law, a 24-year-old could have sexual relations with a 15-year-old child without being required to register as a sex offender," State Senator Shannon Grove wrote in a tweet.

New California bill would lower penalties for adults who have sexual relations with a minor

A new bill headed to Governor Gavin Newsom's desk would lower penalties for adults who have consensual sex with a minor if the offender is within 10 years of age with the victim.

www.foxla.com

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And the Governor signed it into law....

SACRAMENTO, Calif — California Governor Gavin Newsom signed Senate Bill 145 into law on Friday.

***Why did this law pass and get signed?

***This is why......

Wiener (D-San Francisco) said in a press release that this new law was "ending blatant discrimination against LGBTQ young people."

"It's appalling that in 2020, California continues to discriminate against LGBTQ people, by mandating that LGBTQ young people be placed on the sex offender registry in situations where straight people aren't required to be placed on the registry," Wiener said.

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/politics/newsom-controversial-sb-145-new-law/103-238a7155-93a3-4f30-9daf-5d277d7ac91e

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

***Why did this law pass and get signed?

1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
2 Timothy 3:1-4, 13, KJV

 

[Umbrella Girl]

I have to wonder how many of those were aware of the evil and how many were aware of the evil and participated in the evil, and how many are mostly clueless but guilty by association.

Call me naive, but I believe that most of the people on that list had no awareness of the evil going on there, even while they themselves were there.

 

[Tall Timbers]

Call me naive, but I believe that most of the people on that list had no awareness of the evil going on there, even while they themselves were there.

Then there's folks like the Clintons. I'm surprised Epstein didn't get arkansided sooner.

 

[Umbrella Girl]

Then there's folks like the Clintons. I'm surprised Epstein didn't get arkansided sooner.

True!

Maybe I should adjust my statement to “many” rather than “most” on the list who were unaware of the evil going on there.

“Arkansided”! How about “Arkansawed”?

 

[Tall Timbers]

Maybe I should adjust my statement to “many” rather than “most” on the list who were unaware of the evil going on there.

As someone mentioned upthread it seemed to be Epstein's business model to try and get film of people doing things that they shouldn't have and then blackmailing them. I agree with you that many or most are probably victims in a way now for having their names show up on a list that implies they're horrible beasts... when maybe they're not.