Goodboy
Just waiting for the Rapture at this point!
Why do so many want to come up with their own interpretation? Could it be pride?
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Is annihilationism biblical?
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Why would you quote anything from a catholic source?
LightOfMyLife
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I agree do they think they know more than God. I think not he is the creator.
Many will stick by what they first learned regardless of the evidence uncovered later in the Word. If stubbornness equals pride, then pride it is.
You have the vast majority of churches apostate in most areas of the USA, then you have Believers at the few good churches influenced enough by all the lies and poor understanding of the Word that they're reluctant to believe the truth of things... but prefer to explain that there are many ideas on a particular Biblical subject, so we don't really know the truth of the matter... drives me crazy.
LightOfMyLife
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It reminds me of a thread started about fact and theory. A fact is evidence that something is true, and Gods word gives us absolute truth no doubt about it. People are not smarter than God no way. Some people go along with things that are wrong just to be liked by the wrong crowd. If you don't stand up for what is right, you will fall for anything. I would rather be respected by God first and people last. The
says prove all things because if we don't go with truth people can fall for anything which is deception.
Do you ascribe to dispensationalism?
Goodboy
Just waiting for the Rapture at this point!
This is why it is so hard to convert a Jehovah's Witness which my sister and her family are. For them it is stubbornness, pride mixed with deception!
LightOfMyLife
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Do you know that Catholic teachings are not from the
. For instance we don't go to a man to confess our sins. There is only 1 mediator between God and man Jesus. Also, there is nothing in our about rosaries and masses. They also think there is a purgatory. They are not sure of their salvation. We can know that we are going to heaven when we die because a person has accepted the gift of salvation personally which is Jesus.Yes!
There are some areas of scripture that takes a little digging to understand context, to get the true meaning. However, areas that have been disputed on this thread are about as clear cut as you can find in the bible. How one can disagree after reading the scripture is something I dont understand, but likely is pride.
I don't let you or anyone tell me what I should or can't quote.You're not an infallible person. You don't want to quote Catholics then don't, but I don't let how you judge a source, as though you're some infallible person dictate to me what I can or should quote.
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No, its just the RCC teaches a false gospel, that is why I questioned you using them as a source.
Amethyst
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Their sources of truth are always evolving.Do you know that Catholic teachings are not from the
Many people believe in the Trinity, immortality of the soul, and Hellfire which the RCC believe and teach. So if you believe the RCC teaches a false gospel do you believe the Trinity, the Immortality of the soul, and Hellfire to be false doctrines?
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What does the RCC teach is required for salvation? How can an ordinary man, claim he is the vicar of Christ?
Have you read our Scriptural Truths?
Please do, and then you wouldn't have to ask such a silly question.
Thread 'Scriptural Truths'
https://christiancommunityforum.com/threads/scriptural-truths.10/
Why do you even do that?
Don't you take us seriously?
Always evading answering our questions, but counter question us?
LightOfMyLife
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BB1956 I am going to be direct are you Catholic?
Agree, maybe its time to lock this thread, and move on!I think this thread is turning into a free-for-all false doctrine espousing thread, kind of flies in the face of board rules.
@mattfivefour
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Clearly that is your conclusion drawn from your own interpretation. And just as clearly you are not going to be convinced otherwise. And that is your right. In a direct sense this is not a salvation issue, so we can disagree on the issue and still maintain fellowship.
That said, a lot of people visit this site, both saved and unsaved, both biblically literate and illiterate and somewhere in-between. Therefore, for the sake of the unlearned and the unsaved we cannot allow heterodox doctrine to stand on the open board lest it lead someone into error. God forbid that we would ever be the cause of this. I hope you understand that this is why this thread will be removed once members have had a chance to read to the end.
Now why would I say that if this is not a salvation issue? Because even though it is not directly soteriological, it may be so tangentially. You see, if I am a hedonist and enjoying the pleasures of the flesh and seeing no need for God, the idea that after death I will not suffer torment but will simply go off into non-existence does not sound such a bad thing. After all I will have had however many years of pure pleasure and self-satisfaction here obtaining as much as I desire to enjoy. And when death comes, so what? There are no real consequences for my actions or my rejection of God. I will simply cease to exist.
Now, by teaching annihilism you are actually giving that message ... in direct contradiction to God's abundant warnings of judgment and punishment. There are more warnings of punishment, its severity and length, in Scripture than descriptions of heaven. God must have had a reason to warn us so severely. Further Jesus spoke of degrees of punishment. How can there be different levels of punishment if the punishment is simply annihilation?
Now, I happen to agree with you that the lake of fire is likely not a literal lake of fire and also that the pit where the worm does not die nor the flame is quenched (Mark 9:24) is allegorical. BUT!!! That does not mean that something as terrible does not exist. God is trying to warn us of something so horrible, so fearful that an undying, unquenchable, unending flame is the closest thing on earth He could compare it to. He even compares it to burning sulphur. If you recall anything from high school chemistry class, you'll remember that sulphur sticks to anything it touches when it burns and cannot be dislodged. It is like napalm that clings and cannot be smothered or extinguished. It can be smothered with a blanket but will still burn; it can be submerged under water and still agonizingly consume what it has fastened to. What a terrible way to die on this earth!!! And that is the picture God is trying to give us humans about the fate of those who reject His Son.
Yet you, and other anihilationists, teach people to basically not worry about this. It's not so bad. You'll just cease to exist. Which, though it might not be your intention, actually works to negate the picture that God is trying place into our minds of the fate awaiting those who choose their way rather than His.
Yes, the Lake of Fire may not be literal since the life after this one will be on an unending, unchanging spiritual plane rather than a temporal, decaying plane such as this one. Therefore descriptions of something beyond our ability to comprehend (let alone conceive) must of necessity be allegorical. But the allegory will as accurately as possible convey the reality of the actual. Far be it from God to exaggerate to make a point. No, the Creator will tell it as accurately as it is. And He has. He has described a fate for those who reject Him as one of endless torment. We can take Him at His Word. So, in no way will this board be party to attempting to blunt or lighten any warning of God, because His warnings are not given for effect. They are very, very, VERY real.
This thread is now closed. If anybody wishes to continue this discussion with me, please use the private message system.
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