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Hamas said to kill over 30 Gazans, publicly execute 7, as it reasserts its grip on Strip

Hamas gunmen tightened their grip in Gaza on Monday and Tuesday, sources in the Strip said, including carrying out public executions.

Hamas has killed at least 33 people since a ceasefire took effect on Friday in a crackdown on groups that have tested its grip, sources in the strip said, having apparently got a US nod to temporarily police the shattered enclave.

In a stark assertion of the group’s return, fighters executed several men they accused of collaborating with Israeli forces. In one video circulated late on Monday, Hamas fighters dragged seven men into a circle of people in Gaza City, forced them to their knees and shot them from behind. A Hamas source confirmed the authenticity of the video.

 
Or maybe he knew Hamas would never keep the deal. But in the meantime he would have the hostage back.
Yes (y)

There was no indication that Hamas would go along with Phase 2, but there was sufficient pressure to get the hostages out. Once Qatar sided with Trump, Hamas had to release the hostages.

And THIS time round Trump himself announced that Israel wouldn't be allowed!!!! to annex Judea and Samaria aka "the West Bank"!
What happened was that Netanyahu was in a vice grip.

His far left loonies have been protesting for two years at Hostage Square in Tel Aviv. They demanded the war stop so that hostages would get released. When the IDF resumed fighting they would taunt them, saying fighting would insure the death of the hostages. ( :paniccircle:Illogical accusation, Hamas needed live hostages for insurance.)

His far right loonies were threatening to abandon him in the Knesset unless he immediately pushed to annex Judea & Samaria.

“…Senior lawmakers and ministers in Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party launched a push on Wednesday urging the premier to annex the West Bank before the end of the Knesset’s summer session on July 27, claiming that he must ride the “historic achievements” of the war against Iran.

In a letter signed by 15 Likud ministers currently in government as well as Knesset Speaker Amir Ohana, the lawmakers wrote that “after the State of Israel’s historic achievements in the face of Iran’s axis of evil and its sympathizers, the task must be completed and the existential threat from within must be eliminated, to prevent another massacre in the heart of the country.”

The politicians added that “the strategic partnership, backing and support of the US and President Donald Trump have made it a propitious time to move forward with it now, and ensure Israel’s security for generations.”

Gaza had (has) to get dealt with first.

Now that the live hostages are home, Israel’s looney left are clambering against Netanyahu in protests that he lost that war :bored: (yes, the same war they protested must STOP).

I follow a podcast from an Israeli, Gadi Taub. Here’s a short vid of him describing Israel’s looney left:

Why did Israel give ALL their terrorist prisoners to Gaza
What if they implanted something like the pagers?
 
I follow a podcast from an Israeli, Gadi Taub. Here’s a short vid of him describing Israel’s looney left:
I love Gadi, and he's on JNS TV of YouTube, which is an Israeli News broadcaster, associated with Caroline Glick. She "retired" to join Bibi N's staff as an advisor.

JNS is actually a great source, because they aren't just an echo chamber. They are Right wing, but they listen to, and interview (and have on staff) people from all the different factions within Israel. So you get to hear from all pov but with a general right wing pro Bibi direction. VERY useful.


A frequent contributor to JNS is a guy called Yishai Fleisher. This was him this morning. He is right wing, he is a religious Jew, he lives near Hebron (he's in the "west bank" aka Judea and Samaria) and he is BLUNT! (a little abrasive like a lot of the settler groups, fighting for survival).


I HIGHLY recommend watching this. It's titled Why Did Kushner and Witkoff Burn Bibi on CBS.

I know none of us here watch CBS much if at all. I'm sure glad Yishai did!

BUT THIS IS ONE TO SEE! Because it just shows the way that Kushner and Witkoff are playing by Qatar's rules, and they are NOT there to help Israel.


He rips this deal, using their own words!
 
Agreed.

The vultures are circling Bibi, blaming him for the American pressure via Witkoff over this whole horrible deal.

Witkoff is NOT Israel's friend, I'm not even sure he's an asset for the USA.

He is on the side of Qatar all day every day, because he's essentially on their payroll. Just the hotel deal ( worth 1 Billion) that he was at least 1/2 a BILLION in over his head for, and plenty since. I think if it all got added up it's in the Billions plural!

Israel as you point out gave up a LOT of sovereignty when they made that weapons deal with the US that meant they would limit home grown weapon production in exchange for that deal that benefited the US every bit as much- namely US "aid" money to Israel with the demand that it never be spent on anything else but US made weapons.

The money went straight to arms purchases (which Biden decided to hold off delivering). Thankfully Trump has kept weapons flowing to Israel, but it got a little testy there when Israel wanted to get into Iran and Trump held back till Israel started it anyway)

In short the US gave a boost to US weapon manufacturing via Israel. Israel took that deal and has thanked the US by sharing tweaks and innovations (the "golden dome" is taken straight from the original Israeli Iron dome, and there are various things done to the jets that the US benefits by). Israel also shares a lot of Intel with the US that has saved US lives in the Middle East.

And Israel began to bargain for hostages ending a long rule of not doing so. I forget when exactly, but it's guaranteed that hostages have become worth grabbing.

This morning I saw a headline about the 2000 prisoners that Israel released in exchange. They are heading right back into "service".

Whoever succeeds Bibi will face even more bloodshed and hostages.


And then there is the contentious issue in Christian and Israeli circles of DIVIDING THE LAND of ISRAEL!

I know Amir always says that the Trump deals (2020 and this one) aren't actually dividing the land- except they really really are. I know Amir and the Israelis have lots of reasons to be glad of Trump's help, they DO! Especially when compared to Biden.

But God doesn't "grade on the curve"! Good intentions don't matter when it comes to dividing the land of Israel.

I won't rehash why that 2020 deal that got shelved was dividing the land, but it was.

And THIS time round Trump himself announced that Israel wouldn't be allowed!!!! to annex Judea and Samaria aka "the West Bank"! Let me remind everyone, this was OBAMA'S demand- carve off the West Bank, leaving both Gaza on one side, and the West Bank on the other with SUICIDE borders in the middle only 6 miles wide for Israel at some serious choke points.

We all KNEW Obama was wrong, but this came from TRUMP and where is the outrage???? I know Trump is supportive of Israel and Obama/Biden hated them, but when it comes to borders, it's the same same thing.

Trump is GIVING GAZA back to the Gazans in this deal, while considering keeping an ownership share in Gaza with his Gaza future resort plans.

Again, best of intentions but it's still dividing the land, and giving it away to Israel's enemies who haven't changed their plans to wipe out Israel. "from the River to the Sea" they chant.


It didn't work under Bush Jr when he tore Gaza out of Israel and gave it to the same people in 2005. It's 20 years later. Nothing has changed except 2 years ago these people attacked Israel.

NOW THEY ARE BEING REWARDED!

This will NOT go well. I know we all get mad at what Macron, Carney and others tried to do at the UN, declaring a state of Palestine, but what is THIS?????

This is the EXACT SAME THING only the names are changed. Instead of Palestine, we call it Gaza. Instead of the UN administering it (worse than the USA by far) we have the US administering it thru the exact same people (Egypt, Qatar) that built tunnels under Rafah to funnel weapons and cash into Hamas so they could attack Oct 2013.


MY bottom line is HOW DOES GOD VIEW ALL THIS????
I suggest you listen to the first approx 15-20 minutes of the link below, which might lead you to a different opinion on the ‘deal”, and Qatar, than you have now.

Amir is the primary speaker.

 
Watching now:
3:19 Amir begins, setting out how things started.
4:24 Bibi tells Trump Israel can't deal with Gaza work until the hostages are back
6:00 dealing with Hamas's demands

5:58 the Qatar Dohaa strike (this is the point that Witkoff and Kushner were so angry with Israel over in that CBS interview above that Yishai is talking about btw) and at

7:24 Amir points out the Israeli side of things, that they HAD let the White House know in advance (this is historical record now, it did happen, Witkoff and Kushner are just angry the strike happened in Qatar) Amir says he doesn't know what W &K said to CBS - that is in the Breitbart article Rose has here in the Israel section, but also in Yishai's report.

after that point Amir says the Israeli strike team left the Hamas people alive on purpose to rattle their cages and get things moving. Which it did. It also scared the daylights out of Qatar and got them to a serious bargaining position.

In both Amir's account and Yishai's account above you can see exactly what is going on with Qatar. And this points out even MORE clearly how Witkoff and Kushner are acting FOR Qatar

even while Trump and Bibi N are bargaining with Qatar in good faith.

That is how the hostages were finally set free and this 20 point plan was agreed to.

At 8:31 Amir says this: "Israel had a lot of frogs to swallow here. don't think that it was an easy thing for us."

In any deal like this there are compromises, some very serious ones. In this case getting the living hostages home was priority number one.

That doesn't mean that the rest of the deal is a good one.

In point #3 Israel had to retreat- to a set line, giving up territory they've gone into several times. Israel has lost lives doing this each time, and had catastrophic injuries to some of it's troops that are life altering. How much Israeli blood has to be spilled before we stop forcing them back from the land they've won back by God's grace.

Point #4 Hamas has to give up all hostages living and dead within 72 hours. They've reneged on that part of the deal and begun hostilities again. This should free Israel up to retake the land, this time leaving nothing undone. As long as the US "lets them".

At 9:29 Amir explains this point perfectly! The agreement had no sooner begun, than Hamas regenged.

The point I'd make here is that historically when that happens there are no consequences for Hamas, but Israel is forced to stick to its' part while the US desperately tries to make Hamas comply. That was the pattern with all these land for peace deals in the past, and if the US is trying to make it stick, now, the only party they can pressure is Israel. Hamas already has all it's 2000 seasoned terrorists BACK, freed from Israeli prisons.

9:52 to 10:10 Then Amir says this:
Number five, once all hostages are released, Israel will release 250 life sentence prisoners plus 1,700 Gazans who were detained after October 7th. Let's move to number six.

He skips over the uncomfortable fact that Israel released 2000 plus prisoners already if the other news sources including the BBC are correct that announced that a few days ago.

Again - WHY? Was there pressure from the team to hold Israel accountable while ignoring the fact that the dead were NOT returned?

Next is a bunch of stuff about Aid coming in. No biggy there.

11:13 starts the Palestinian rule. Starting with a technocratic (interesting term there) group that will administer the place. I've read about this, Amir passes over this without getting into it, but it's a group of Egypt, Turkey, and Qatar that will supposedly work to reform Hamas and the Gazans. Considering the fact that Turkey, Egypt and Qatar are the very ones who funded Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, this is the foxes guarding the hen house.

These are the very same people who incentivized Gaza into the terrorist hell hole that it is today. With the help of the UN via UNWRA of course.

Amir doesn't get into this. Yishai Fleisher and Breitbart (see Roses article in the Israel section) DO get into this problem.

Amir goes onto 11-13 pretty much agreeing with everything I've said, and agreeing with Yishai and Breitbart on their critique of this plan.

12:50 Amir gets into the serious business of these international partners, including Jordan that I missed mentioning above.

13:15 Amir gets to the point #15 that I have a serious problem with, and I'm in agreement here with Amir. That is that GAZA will never be occupied or annexed by Israel.

This is where it gets REALLY serious from a Biblical perspective, and THIS is where I'm saying this is the Suicide Borders that Obama wanted. Because Trump and his team have stated PUBLICLY that Israel will never be allowed to annex the West Bank either.

So essentially this is a 2 State Solution that has Gaza on the southwest of Israel, and the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) on the north eastern side of Israel. That creates the pinch points that Israel objected to under Obama and I distinctly remember us all criticizing him for that. Thankfully it didn't become a permanent thing under Obama. Or Biden.

In Trumps first term he was going to carve up the West Bank and make sure that Israel did have and control a lot of it, with SOME bits going to the "palestinians" permanently if they could avoid attacking for a certain time period. Gaza wasn't under consideration then. That was the plan that Kushner devised, that Trump brought out in Late Jan of 2020 just as Covid began showing up in the States and around the globe.

This is a major change from that, and combined with Gaza, this means that Israel loses all hope (from an earthly pov) of controlling Gaza and the so called West Bank.

So far I'm in agreement with Amir, and note that he glosses over some of the points that Yishai and others bring up. Amir is right about every point that he discusses.

I've gone down to the 16:00 mark in conclusion where Amir says this : "So, first now we have all of our hostages back and now we're still there and we're still occupying 53% of the Gaza Strip. So this is where we are now."

I agree.

But Amir is just saying a lot of the same things that Yishai did, in a far more diplomatic manner.

Bottom line:
We got the hostages home!

Hamas will break the deal.

We are still at the 53% occupation of Gaza for now.

Trump did a great thing for Israel in this.

All of which I agree with.

What I'm saying is that this sets Israel up for problems if this gets implemented as it is nothing more or less than another 2 State Solution, especially combined with Trump's declaration Trump says he 'will not allow' Netanyahu to annex West Bank here reported by the BBC that he will "not allow Netanyahu to annex the West Bank".

This deal, plus that statement creates the exact scenario that Obama tried to do that would have had Israel facing suicide borders.

Amir did a good job on reporting, but he glossed over some of the tougher bits. He tends to do that. But he said a lot of what Yishai said. Just more diplomatically.
 
Watching now:
3:19 Amir begins, setting out how things started.
4:24 Bibi tells Trump Israel can't deal with Gaza work until the hostages are back
6:00 dealing with Hamas's demands

5:58 the Qatar Dohaa strike (this is the point that Witkoff and Kushner were so angry with Israel over in that CBS interview above that Yishai is talking about btw) and at

7:24 Amir points out the Israeli side of things, that they HAD let the White House know in advance (this is historical record now, it did happen, Witkoff and Kushner are just angry the strike happened in Qatar) Amir says he doesn't know what W &K said to CBS - that is in the Breitbart article Rose has here in the Israel section, but also in Yishai's report.

after that point Amir says the Israeli strike team left the Hamas people alive on purpose to rattle their cages and get things moving. Which it did. It also scared the daylights out of Qatar and got them to a serious bargaining position.

In both Amir's account and Yishai's account above you can see exactly what is going on with Qatar. And this points out even MORE clearly how Witkoff and Kushner are acting FOR Qatar

even while Trump and Bibi N are bargaining with Qatar in good faith.

That is how the hostages were finally set free and this 20 point plan was agreed to.

At 8:31 Amir says this: "Israel had a lot of frogs to swallow here. don't think that it was an easy thing for us."

In any deal like this there are compromises, some very serious ones. In this case getting the living hostages home was priority number one.

That doesn't mean that the rest of the deal is a good one.

In point #3 Israel had to retreat- to a set line, giving up territory they've gone into several times. Israel has lost lives doing this each time, and had catastrophic injuries to some of it's troops that are life altering. How much Israeli blood has to be spilled before we stop forcing them back from the land they've won back by God's grace.

Point #4 Hamas has to give up all hostages living and dead within 72 hours. They've reneged on that part of the deal and begun hostilities again. This should free Israel up to retake the land, this time leaving nothing undone. As long as the US "lets them".

At 9:29 Amir explains this point perfectly! The agreement had no sooner begun, than Hamas regenged.

The point I'd make here is that historically when that happens there are no consequences for Hamas, but Israel is forced to stick to its' part while the US desperately tries to make Hamas comply. That was the pattern with all these land for peace deals in the past, and if the US is trying to make it stick, now, the only party they can pressure is Israel. Hamas already has all it's 2000 seasoned terrorists BACK, freed from Israeli prisons.

9:52 to 10:10 Then Amir says this:
Number five, once all hostages are released, Israel will release 250 life sentence prisoners plus 1,700 Gazans who were detained after October 7th. Let's move to number six.

He skips over the uncomfortable fact that Israel released 2000 plus prisoners already if the other news sources including the BBC are correct that announced that a few days ago.

Again - WHY? Was there pressure from the team to hold Israel accountable while ignoring the fact that the dead were NOT returned?

Next is a bunch of stuff about Aid coming in. No biggy there.

11:13 starts the Palestinian rule. Starting with a technocratic (interesting term there) group that will administer the place. I've read about this, Amir passes over this without getting into it, but it's a group of Egypt, Turkey, and Qatar that will supposedly work to reform Hamas and the Gazans. Considering the fact that Turkey, Egypt and Qatar are the very ones who funded Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, this is the foxes guarding the hen house.

These are the very same people who incentivized Gaza into the terrorist hell hole that it is today. With the help of the UN via UNWRA of course.

Amir doesn't get into this. Yishai Fleisher and Breitbart (see Roses article in the Israel section) DO get into this problem.

Amir goes onto 11-13 pretty much agreeing with everything I've said, and agreeing with Yishai and Breitbart on their critique of this plan.

12:50 Amir gets into the serious business of these international partners, including Jordan that I missed mentioning above.

13:15 Amir gets to the point #15 that I have a serious problem with, and I'm in agreement here with Amir. That is that GAZA will never be occupied or annexed by Israel.

This is where it gets REALLY serious from a Biblical perspective, and THIS is where I'm saying this is the Suicide Borders that Obama wanted. Because Trump and his team have stated PUBLICLY that Israel will never be allowed to annex the West Bank either.

So essentially this is a 2 State Solution that has Gaza on the southwest of Israel, and the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) on the north eastern side of Israel. That creates the pinch points that Israel objected to under Obama and I distinctly remember us all criticizing him for that. Thankfully it didn't become a permanent thing under Obama. Or Biden.

In Trumps first term he was going to carve up the West Bank and make sure that Israel did have and control a lot of it, with SOME bits going to the "palestinians" permanently if they could avoid attacking for a certain time period. Gaza wasn't under consideration then. That was the plan that Kushner devised, that Trump brought out in Late Jan of 2020 just as Covid began showing up in the States and around the globe.

This is a major change from that, and combined with Gaza, this means that Israel loses all hope (from an earthly pov) of controlling Gaza and the so called West Bank.

So far I'm in agreement with Amir, and note that he glosses over some of the points that Yishai and others bring up. Amir is right about every point that he discusses.

I've gone down to the 16:00 mark in conclusion where Amir says this : "So, first now we have all of our hostages back and now we're still there and we're still occupying 53% of the Gaza Strip. So this is where we are now."

I agree.

But Amir is just saying a lot of the same things that Yishai did, in a far more diplomatic manner.

Bottom line:
We got the hostages home!

Hamas will break the deal.

We are still at the 53% occupation of Gaza for now.

Trump did a great thing for Israel in this.

All of which I agree with.

What I'm saying is that this sets Israel up for problems if this gets implemented as it is nothing more or less than another 2 State Solution, especially combined with Trump's declaration Trump says he 'will not allow' Netanyahu to annex West Bank here reported by the BBC that he will "not allow Netanyahu to annex the West Bank".

This deal, plus that statement creates the exact scenario that Obama tried to do that would have had Israel facing suicide borders.

Amir did a good job on reporting, but he glossed over some of the tougher bits. He tends to do that. But he said a lot of what Yishai said. Just more diplomatically.
So, did you watch the video……:)

Good analysis of the video.
 
What I'm saying is that this sets Israel up for problems if this gets implemented as it is nothing more or less than another 2 State Solution, especially combined with Trump's declaration Trump says he 'will not allow' Netanyahu to annex West Bank here reported by the BBC that he will "not allow Netanyahu to annex the West Bank".
If you consider that Netanyahu had to stop the bleeding in his Knesset coalition and Trump helped by publicly stating no to annexation then factor in two things: Both Trump & Bibi have together been pulling the wool over the world’s eyes. Leftists in Israel attacked Bibi last spring when Trump made the rounds in Arab countries because they were convinced that Trump was turning on Israel. Second, this 👇

Huckabee: Annexing Judea and Samaria ‘of course’ a possibility​

 
Back to the OP…

Hamas Defends Executing Palestinians: ‘This Is a Transitional Phase’​

Mohammed Nazzal, a senior official with the Hamas terrorist organization, defended his group’s mass execution of Palestinian civilians on Friday after President Donald Trump warned Hamas could face utter destruction for the murders.

Nazzal, a member of the Hamas Politburo, defended public executions as “exceptional measures” for dealing with “criminals.” He denied accusations that Hamas was simply rounding up and killing its adversaries to keep power in Gaza, even though the ceasefire deal stipulated that Hamas would play no role in postwar administration.

“This is a transitional phase. Civilly, there will be a technocratic administration as I said. On the ground, Hamas will be present,” he said.

Nazzal also cast doubt on whether Hamas would disarm or not, as required by the Gaza ceasefire deal.

 
So, did you watch the video……:)

Good analysis of the video.
Andy if you ever recommend something I'll always look at it with care and attention. Might not always agree with your conclusion, but I respect your point of view and your love of the Lord at all times.

If you consider that Netanyahu had to stop the bleeding in his Knesset coalition and Trump helped by publicly stating no to annexation then factor in two things: Both Trump & Bibi have together been pulling the wool over the world’s eyes. Leftists in Israel attacked Bibi last spring when Trump made the rounds in Arab countries because they were convinced that Trump was turning on Israel. Second, this 👇

Huckabee: Annexing Judea and Samaria ‘of course’ a possibility​

Hol, the same goes for you. I really respect your opinion, and I read the article, it's a great one, but it's dated Nov of 2024- shortly after the election, when DJT was picking his people- including Huckabee, one of his finest and most loyal.

I take Trump at his word, and I understand that he may well change his mind. He and Bibi both have a very difficult task, and I don't want to minimize the fact they got the hostages HOME. The living ones. BECAUSE of this deal, and in no small part due to the close relationship Trump has with Qatar.

But I also measure by the plumbline of God's Word, knowing that the land belongs to Israel and that God is angered by those who divide His land. As Christians we take into account the effort people make, the compromises that are necessary, but the bottom line is not what is good for the US State Dept, but what is Biblical.

This deal is falling apart, I think God allowed it for a brief moment to get the hostages home before the war resumes again.

It isn't just Trump trying to stop the annexation of Judea and Samaria. This is also coming from Bibi Netanhayu. I get why. This is one of those compromise positions they have to take to keep this deal going.

Unfortunately it is also about Israel's right to the land in the Bible.

Yesterday the Knesset held a vote to annex a lot of Judea and Samaria (West Bank). Netanyahu tried to stop the vote because it was held when Vance got there. He was unable to stop it. 2 West Bank annexation bills get initial nod, with MKs rebelling against PM as Vance visits

"In an embarrassment to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, right-wing lawmakers voted on Wednesday to pass, in its preliminary reading, a bill that would apply Israeli sovereignty to all West Bank settlements — as well as another, more limited bill to annex a major city-settlement — despite opposition from Netanyahu and most of his Likud party to announcing such a move at this time.

The bills must still pass three additional votes
in the plenum and will now be referred to the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee for further consideration. It is highly unlikely that Netanyahu will allow either of the two bills to pass into law.

All but one Likud lawmaker boycotted the votes. MK Yuli Edelstein broke ranks to vote in favor, casting a decisive vote and helping the bill to annex all settlements scrape by 25-24.
"

Today's news on NBC shows that Vance, Rubio and Netanyahu are trying hard to salvage the Gaza peace deal. This comes at the cost of Judea and Samaria AND in the face of Hamas ignoring their part of keeping that deal. Last week Trump made it clear that Israel will not annex the West Bank. The article above makes it clear that it is unlikely to pass the 3 additional votes.

This shows the divide between Israeli voters and the US plus Netanyahu on this matter. I see all sides.

"The vote in Israel's Knesset comes weeks after Trump said he would not allow Israel to annex the West Bank. It was the first of four needed to pass the law, according to Reuters.

Time magazine reported that Trump said in an interview conducted over the phone last week that Israel “would lose all of its support” from the U.S. if it annexed the West Bank.


"It won’t happen because I gave my word to the Arab countries," he said. "It will not happen. Israel would lose all of its support from the United States if that happened.""

In moments like these, we need to remember Joshua. (Joshua 5:13-15)

He asked The Angel of the Lord (pre incarnate Christ) if He was "for us or against us" (my paraphrase).

The answer blew Joshua down to the ground in abject worship. NEITHER said the Lord. And Joshua aligns himself to God's plans.

We need to pray for Trump, Netanyahu and all involved that they do NOT go against God's will in this.

That they align with God rather than expect Him to bless their efforts and compromises.

To get back to the OP

This deal is already at risk, not because of Israel's actions, but because Hamas is refusing to disarm. That was one of the big conditions, without disarming Hamas there is no deal. But Hamas has been striking at the IDF (and being responded to by them) and it's being ignored to keep the deal going.

Netanyahu doesn't want his people voting for annexation because he knows that is a sticking point for Trump.

But the Israeli people are voting anyway. Some to embarrass Netanyahu, bring down the govt. But the fact is, they are voting to annex their land. That God gave them.

At some point, with or without Trump, Israel will be resting in peace and security in the area of Judea and Samaria - Ezek 38 describes this quite clearly.

I have no fear of Israel achieving that- it's in the Bible. When that happens, I have no idea but if Ezek 38 is in the near future, I expect there will be war until they rest on those mountains of Israel without bars or gates.

The fear I have is for those who get in the way.

Prayer for both Trump and Netanyahu is essential.
 
I’m sorry, but it doesn’t take a genius to know that hamas has to be erradicated..... fully. As long as they have any power at all, they will confiscate any humanitarian aid for their own profit, and Israel will get blamed, as always, for being cruel and in humane. Many of those 2000 terrorists that Israel released in good faith belong to hamas, so they are all now back in Gaza, and that just about negates any headway Israel had gained in wiping hamas out. How is that any kind of victory for Israel?
 
I’m sorry, but it doesn’t take a genius to know that hamas has to be erradicated..... fully. As long as they have any power at all, they will confiscate any humanitarian aid for their own profit, and Israel will get blamed, as always, for being cruel and in humane. Many of those 2000 terrorists that Israel released in good faith belong to hamas, so they are all now back in Gaza, and that just about negates any headway Israel had gained in wiping hamas out. How is that any kind of victory for Israel?
Throughout modern warfare, most countries upon the war being over, return in POWs they captured to their country. This is done in accordance to the Geneva Convention. The question is, “is this war really over”? The ones who hopefully were not returned would be any hamas terrorists who were part of the Oct 2023 terror attack

Hamas will no doubt recruit many more to join their ranks, but it will take them a long time to get back to the strength they once were. The IDF inflicted massive damage to their tunnel system, weapons storages, ammunition dumps, training facilities, and much more.
 
At one time the IDF was pumping water into the tunnels. Does anyone know if this is still being done, or proved ineffective? I know there were some environmental concerns, but war is war.
No it isn't. They stopped it soon after they announced that, as they found Hamas was keeping the hostages in the tunnels to safeguard them. While they have dealt with some tunnels, there is risk to their own soldiers from Hamas, from traps and from the necessity to check for hostages. Even now this is hard, because they have to maintain ground they've taken, while dealing with the civilians engaged with Hamas in fighting them.

At several points they've been forced by the US to retreat from their lines that they've taken as the price for peace negotiations. This was going on during Biden, but continued with Trump as well to some extent. When they retreat they can't deal with the tunnels.
Hamas will no doubt recruit many more to join their ranks, but it will take them a long time to get back to the strength they once were. The IDF inflicted massive damage to their tunnel system, weapons storages, ammunition dumps, training facilities, and much more.
Massive damage yes, but they are already picking up the pieces and putting their people back in place and attacking the IDF since the "ceasefire". While this kicks the can down the road, they are already back in business. Less than a week ago they killed 2 IDF soldiers near Rafah. Israel fired back then Israel stopped going further, trying to give this deal a chance.

As the OP points out Hamas is retaking the area and killing their own to make sure the civilians are on their side.

From a politico eu article 3 days ago: which won't let me give a link but the clip I share here was good.

"On Tuesday, after Hamas was accused of launching an attack on Israeli forces in the Rafah area, an impatient Trump warned the group to disarm or face a “FAST, FURIOUS, & BRUTAL!” end. But so far, the only disarmament that has taken place involves a family-based clan in Khan Yunis handing over its weapons to Hamas, as the militant group began a campaign of violence against clan-based opponents and Gazans it claims collaborated with Israel during the war."
 
No it isn't. They stopped it soon after they announced that, as they found Hamas was keeping the hostages in the tunnels to safeguard them. While they have dealt with some tunnels, there is risk to their own soldiers from Hamas, from traps and from the necessity to check for hostages. Even now this is hard, because they have to maintain ground they've taken, while dealing with the civilians engaged with Hamas in fighting them.

At several points they've been forced by the US to retreat from their lines that they've taken as the price for peace negotiations. This was going on during Biden, but continued with Trump as well to some extent. When they retreat they can't deal with the tunnels.

Massive damage yes, but they are already picking up the pieces and putting their people back in place and attacking the IDF since the "ceasefire". While this kicks the can down the road, they are already back in business. Less than a week ago they killed 2 IDF soldiers near Rafah. Israel fired back then Israel stopped going further, trying to give this deal a chance.

As the OP points out Hamas is retaking the area and killing their own to make sure the civilians are on their side.

From a politico eu article 3 days ago: which won't let me give a link but the clip I share here was good.

"On Tuesday, after Hamas was accused of launching an attack on Israeli forces in the Rafah area, an impatient Trump warned the group to disarm or face a “FAST, FURIOUS, & BRUTAL!” end. But so far, the only disarmament that has taken place involves a family-based clan in Khan Yunis handing over its weapons to Hamas, as the militant group began a campaign of violence against clan-based opponents and Gazans it claims collaborated with Israel during the war."
My point was it will take a long time to get back to the strength they were, or maybe they never will.

Sadly, they dont have to be at full strength to kill. A few killers armed with only a rifle or handgun can probably get close enough to kill several innocents near them.
What they cant do for now is fight a full fledged war which will likely be coming their way soon enough.

Is not an easy fight for the IDF to try and kill them all. Most fight in civilian clothing and blend in easily with locals. It was the same for the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan. You can kill bad guys, but you cant kill an ideology. Sadly, their hatred of the jews will continue on until the time of judgment.
 
My point was it will take a long time to get back to the strength they were, or maybe they never will.

Sadly, they dont have to be at full strength to kill. A few killers armed with only a rifle or handgun can probably get close enough to kill several innocents near them.
What they cant do for now is fight a full fledged war which will likely be coming their way soon enough.

Is not an easy fight for the IDF to try and kill them all. Most fight in civilian clothing and blend in easily with locals. It was the same for the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan. You can kill bad guys, but you cant kill an ideology. Sadly, their hatred of the jews will continue on until the time of judgment.
Now I understand what you meant, Yes, that makes sense.
 
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