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Ghislaine Maxwell ready to reveal the 'truth' about Jeffrey Epstein's list

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Ghislaine Maxwell is ready to testify in front of Congress about the Jeffrey Epstein files, according to the Daily Mail. Maxwell is currently serving 20 years for child sex trafficking charges and has been the only person arrested related to Epstein. Despite the convicted paedophile allegedly controlling a sex trafficking operation of underage girls, Maxwell is the only person who’s been charged. Several of Epstein’s victims have alleged they were trafficked to the paedophile’s wealthy friends and clients...
 
Media driven frenzy IMO. Who cares what Maxwell says? How reliable is anything she says considering what role she played with Epstein?

If there was a real smoking gun, proof positive that high name public officals were involved in, it would have already surfaced.

Epstein is dead, I don’t care how he died.

Its time to move on and quit giving legs to this old news.
 
Media driven frenzy IMO. Who cares what Maxwell says? How reliable is anything she says considering what role she played with Epstein?

If there was a real smoking gun, proof positive that high name public officals were involved in, it would have already surfaced.

Epstein is dead, I don’t care how he died.

Its time to move on and quit giving legs to this old news.
I would say the majority of MAGA supporters don't agree with Trump. That is MAGA driven. It was a campaign promise that Trump would release the Intel. It was also noted in the Epstien trial extended to Maxwell that there was a ruling whether or not to include the black book list of names in the trial. Why have that ruling if none existed? The flip flop of Kash from certainty one existed along with affirming a video that has 4 edits confirmed and is of a different location than specified is not media driven. It is common sense driven. lol.

So yeah maybe because Maxwell's dad was corrupt Intel we might suspect anything she might say. I understand that. But voices in our head to move on because Trump has spoken I would not consider the soberest of thought in light of most of MAGA rightly concerned. This is big enough to cause significant problems at the midterms. If Trump is not aware of this potential, America would kind of have an interest in not allowing the left and globlalism a way to gain house and Senate seats in 2026. It is because the government is of the people and for the people America would have an interest not to be suckered into more establishment politicians with the veneer of patriot hope for the future. Blessings.
 
This is big enough to cause significant problems at the midterms. If Trump is not aware of this potential, America would kind of have an interest in not allowing the left and globlalism a way to gain house and Senate seats in 2026. It is because the government is of the people and for the people America would have an interest not to be suckered into more establishment politicians with the veneer of patriot hope for the future.
Exactly the problem.

I've been listening to the different talking heads down south- and they are beginning to push the Epstein narrative, blaming Trump for "covering up"

--never mind that Epsteins highly suspicious suicide happened under Biden's watch and under a completely LEFTIST NYC mayor, and police force that Rudi Guiliani had PLENTY to say about. The kicker was that Epstein's list and Epstein would have implicated both Clintons and the political machine on the Dems side of the aisle.

Typical of the Left- blame the Right for what they are doing or did, shift the blame to the Right, sit back and laugh at the result.

This is designed to split the Right wing vote.
 
Exactly the problem.

I've been listening to the different talking heads down south- and they are beginning to push the Epstein narrative, blaming Trump for "covering up"

--never mind that Epsteins highly suspicious suicide happened under Biden's watch and under a completely LEFTIST NYC mayor, and police force that Rudi Guiliani had PLENTY to say about. The kicker was that Epstein's list and Epstein would have implicated both Clintons and the political machine on the Dems side of the aisle.

Typical of the Left- blame the Right for what they are doing or did, shift the blame to the Right, sit back and laugh at the result.

This is designed to split the Right wing vote.
I agree with you dear sister that the left will use anything it can to distort reality in their favor. Amen. Sadly that is what the left have become. Hopefully there will be enough old school Dems to continue to leave the hijacked party by the far left. A move that may likely render the left hollow and without a future role at all perhaps.

But as for Epstien, I would say it is of gracious thought you come considering it was under Biden. However, Epstein's death was recorded on Aug 10, 2019. Under Trump's presidency. And Barr's watch too. I remember all the dealings back then. In a high security prison. Protected from suicidal tendency. Cameras would not work. Shift change was shifty. Nobody knew anything. It sure looked staged. Likely a murder hit. But there was also some interesting Intel that maybe Epstein was not killed. Up to today, his bank account is still fluid. And operating. lol.

My two biggest quesses would be A) Trump Admin is using the list themselves to ease America back into reasonable Republic formation. Or B) A counterintuitive way to make this issue even louder (with theatrical optics). Not for the purpose of shinning a light on a soon release. But keeping it alive currently as a deep state threat, yes, but primarily for a later time. It might also be C) That there is some truth in Trump's concern of the origin of the black book. And that forcing the Epstein list now would be from the deep state. With perhaps names of those the deep state wants to take down. But what might seem more subtle and possible is the deep state wanting the info out there because the courts won't work against them right now. If there is enough house cleaning months down the road and then the list comes out, the deep state may not have the same court leverage. So forcing it to come out early, could actually be a deep state hopeful. Removing leverage from the Trump Admin.

Those are difficult areas to fathom. But there are certainly so many variables for sure. I believe that there is a future time for this to be addressed. But it makes no sense to release this now if our courts won't honor the rule of law. Blessings.
 
Exactly the problem.

I've been listening to the different talking heads down south- and they are beginning to push the Epstein narrative, blaming Trump for "covering up"

--never mind that Epsteins highly suspicious suicide happened under Biden's watch and under a completely LEFTIST NYC mayor, and police force that Rudi Guiliani had PLENTY to say about. The kicker was that Epstein's list and Epstein would have implicated both Clintons and the political machine on the Dems side of the aisle.

Typical of the Left- blame the Right for what they are doing or did, shift the blame to the Right, sit back and laugh at the result.

This is designed to split the Right wing vote.
It’s just another attempt by the press to put a wedge between Trump supporters.
 
I agree with you dear sister that the left will use anything it can to distort reality in their favor. Amen. Sadly that is what the left have become. Hopefully there will be enough old school Dems to continue to leave the hijacked party by the far left. A move that may likely render the left hollow and without a future role at all perhaps.

But as for Epstien, I would say it is of gracious thought you come considering it was under Biden. However, Epstein's death was recorded on Aug 10, 2019. Under Trump's presidency. And Barr's watch too. I remember all the dealings back then. In a high security prison. Protected from suicidal tendency. Cameras would not work. Shift change was shifty. Nobody knew anything. It sure looked staged. Likely a murder hit. But there was also some interesting Intel that maybe Epstein was not killed. Up to today, his bank account is still fluid. And operating. lol.

My two biggest quesses would be A) Trump Admin is using the list themselves to ease America back into reasonable Republic formation. Or B) A counterintuitive way to make this issue even louder (with theatrical optics). Not for the purpose of shinning a light on a soon release. But keeping it alive currently as a deep state threat, yes, but primarily for a later time. It might also be C) That there is some truth in Trump's concern of the origin of the black book. And that forcing the Epstein list now would be from the deep state. With perhaps names of those the deep state wants to take down. But what might seem more subtle and possible is the deep state wanting the info out there because the courts won't work against them right now. If there is enough house cleaning months down the road and then the list comes out, the deep state may not have the same court leverage. So forcing it to come out early, could actually be a deep state hopeful. Removing leverage from the Trump Admin.

Those are difficult areas to fathom. But there are certainly so many variables for sure. I believe that there is a future time for this to be addressed. But it makes no sense to release this now if our courts won't honor the rule of law. Blessings.
Yeah I was fuzzy on the dates. Thanks, didnt' realize it was under the late Trump first term. Such a lot of misbehaviour in New York then as now. Like NYC decided to secede, and didn't tell anyone, but operate by their own rules, not that of Washington DC under Trump. And the way they did things was definitely a coverup. Not suicide in any dictionary except one written by Bill and Hilary Clinton.
 
Is that based on what the media wants you to believe? I highly doubt the majority of Trump supporters could care less about this old story.
That is a fair question that the left would want fallout. My view on Kash, Bondi, Bongino drama is not really at high levels of confidence. I'd say it is likely theater and opics within the ranks. On that note, the left media wanting MAGA to appear to each others to be at each others throats could actually be a ploy of the right. So infighting within the ranks of MAGA don't really enter into my view on this. In my honest take I believe it is more likely optics. I sent a PM to a forum member so its on record (in part).

However, I know a number of big MAGA supporting channels like Benny Johnson who in the last days has had 5 videos on the matter (with a total of 1 million views). In addition, several other MAGA supporting channels that have huge followings say MAGA is concerned. And its not just them. Its the comments. Maybe we can say of course the comments would say what the media is telling them. But its kind of the same on left and right channels. For the most part.

On one level i would like to say, please note dear brother that MAGA being at odds with itself organically is a great thing. MAGA is not monolithic. It does not go lock-stock-and-barrel with the narrative. That is a good sign it is a thinking entity. Unlike the left that fall in line with agendas. And because that is the case, of course the left would want to stir that pot too. But I'm plugged in deep enough to the MAGA world on a number of levels. They are not happy in general. I consider myself MAGA only in the sense that I want any country to do well by their own. Including America. I do go a bit further in that the US constitution, in my estimation, has far more impact on the world as long as America is strong. So that is my MAGA interest.

Where i would not consider myself MAGA is that we give too much clout to a leader like Trump or even a party line (since globalism is infested in establishment politicians on both sides of the isle--part of this uproar currently could indeed be a way for MAGA to ferret out the playing field). So i believe in a strong America but don't consider myself MAGA proper because its not only the left that will stereotype, but even conservative evangelicalism in watcher communities blur MAGA lines all over the place. And is practically an industry itself. I say all that to say, I watch MAGA from many different sides and perspectives as somewhat of an outsider...even though i do consider myself on some level pro American.

Megan Kelley, Next News Network (2 + million subs), The Blaze, Alex Jones (semi-MAGA), Daily Wire defends Trump (reading the comments--not the media--MAGA is not buying Ben Shaprio etc), NY Post (looking at their video responses it would seem the majority are bothered), The Rubin Report, Tim Pool, An0maly etc.

If you read comments in any of the above (some defend Trump/some are upset with Trump), in either case, the majority of comments are concerned about this issue being burried. Because America is protected if said child abuser (and those still out there that do that sort of thing) are held to no account before the public. Waving a magic wand does not make it go away. Just on the sober merits brother, if it is known that there are huge child abusers in our American government (regardless of Trump saying this or that), America just wants to have info that government is taking care of that...rather than running interference or obfuscating the issue--or looking like they are doing that. You can say right wing media is flaming the base to have these concerns. Fine. Maybe that is going on. But America is not a bunch of mindless drones. Regardless of even if right wing media is doing this for points, America is in a catatonic, Thorazine, lobotomized state if it kind of like did not have this concern. No? I mean if we let what seems to be media fanfare override what is normal human nature of concern (which this appears to be the case even though there are media influences), this was one of the main reasons i left the reformed camp. That God has automated everything so just go with it. Aside from that we are His creation created in His image. And we feel things. And in this case, regardless of media bonfires, we are ok to have this concern. And i would think, when it comes to the media, the one more affected by the media is that one who is ready to move on. Just let American kids disappear. Its cool. Besides we don't have them on milk cartons anymore because, hey, its just business at this point.

Now that last part of course is inflated--and made into an absurd cartoon. I know you are just concerned to not become histerical and blown all ove the place by media hype...amen. My cartoon rendering though was on purpose to hopefully show how it might look to those who don't go with the media narrative or who don't go with a Trump narrative--how your perspective might look to them (media or no media). I think that is ok people feel and feel strongly here theough. Let people be people. Amen. To sum it all up under media influence, i mean aside from how it sounds in the paragraph above, might you understand how that could come across as elitist and uncaring? Think about those families who have suffered abuse like this. How they feel. Or the victims of Epstein themselves who have reacted too -- not in Trump's favor. White washing this with media is fine as an opinion. But i am trying my best to explain how it is actually a potential danger. And it is surprising to me anyway how anyone might have the idea to just move on. lol. I mean my jaw is on the floor here brother.

I say this because i've known MAGA now for 8 years. I don't always side with them. There can be a lot of issues with them (Q etc). So they can be all over the map. So answer this..."Yes we have seen an overwhelming amount of justice in our land and courts in the past decade." Would you say that statement is true? Because i think what the rest of His creation in American is seeing is quite the opposite: "When will there ever be justice again." Can you understand though at that level that people feel this way? And far far far beyond media have lived with it for years now. Calling for the justice being told there is no there there is reasonable not to trust any of that--at least according to simple third grade logic, no? Has the media fanfare diluted our being able to see through the smoke more than being movd by it thinking we have grown beyond it? Admittedly it is tricky. And perhaps a dash of wtchcraft, and pinch of dstortion. But wrong or right. Misinformed or not...people are "normal" for feeling this way. At least what i know of the human race over many decade. They are just tired of being given a snowjob by government. We had 4 years of Biden. If Trump continues that legacy, we are just tired of that...and want things to be as they are sold to represent. Not scold and shame us into a corner, getting dinner if we are good. Hope that makes sense on some level. Blessings.
 
It’s just another attempt by the press to put a wedge between Trump supporters.
The short version of above...lol. Yeah if so though i think the Trump Admin is counting on that. But beyond the optics...people feel things. And those are valuable being Americans in how otherwise to view political game theory. Blessings.
 
The short version of above...lol. Yeah if so though i think the Trump Admin is counting on that. But beyond the optics...people feel things. And those are valuable being Americans in how otherwise to view political game theory. Blessings.
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump was on that list and that is why his pressers etc are trying to do the nothing to see here, he was a different person back then to the man he is now ( i'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's a baby/carnal Christian)
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump was on that list and that is why his pressers etc are trying to do the nothing to see here, he was a different person back then to the man he is now ( i'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's a baby/carnal Christian)
I have been following the Trump saga like a sick pathetic groupie for years now. But knowing this tendency of mine, i tend to recognize that i can be ridiculous in places. Plus its just plain fun to laugh at myself when bored. One thing i would say is something i would not think is hidden is Trump as a child abuser. If there were records, Obama had them prior to Trump coming in (and certainly had an interest to use it). Also by Biden and how sad the whole trainwreck of their election went, that would have been the time to use the info on Trump. Although if its honor among criminals (no one is willing to go there because it will end America--so Trump be safe by fiat), then it kind of means what is happening in the USA is more interesting in how it affects Israel and lets hope its a catapult outta here...because at that level who cares about a little surface justice to keep the little people happy.

My overall guess is that this is all theater and they have a ton on the dems. Probably using it to help anchor America into place over the next few years...holding it over the heads of others. It is likely there might come a time where that does not matter as much. And toe to toe, there needs to be a huge splash to move the needle. That would be i believe its utility. To come at a time while many are sinking in quick sand anyway. Like an insurance policy...to secure demise. In any event it would matter 0 i believe if they came out with the info now. So what. No one will go to jail. The dems would still spin it. And the courts would stack the deck. And the utility of the Epstein list, wasted. Then there would be no trump card. So just for the record, I'm not one of MAGAs that want the files released right now. I don't. But if America is to heal from globalism takeover, societal buy-in at that level would have to be awarded more than the dems give their citizenry.

To me its totally understandable that we are not just "good" with Kash and Dan and Pam to shrug their shoulders and say, "Just kidding. There is no there there." If this were medieval times I could see pitch forks, and stakes for burning witches for less. But, never got the sense Trump is on the list. I suppose it could be. But i don't believe that is the reason. There is of course a possibility that there never comes anything of it because of the power in it used by America and Israel to force change we will never see that way. That is a possibility. But something i have noticed with Trump. He has had a super invested interest in helping America to see what it must want to change. To me, he is a master craftsman at that. So for him not to see that here...lol. I guess in ways like the vax. Where his head got lost in his shirt collar. Maybe he'll make America great again by accident. 🤷‍♂️
 
Is that based on what the media wants you to believe? I highly doubt the majority of Trump supporters could care less about this old story.
It looks like Lara Trump is hearing the concerns of MAGA. Seems Trump may release some files. Rumors Matt Gaetz as Special Council? Or replace Bondi? I guess we'll see. Andy I'd like to apologize for some things they way they were stated in my longer post. After rereading it, it is clearer for me that from you POV you are just seeing a lot of media frenzy and don't put stock in it. I understand that is all you were saying brother. I was hopeful to fill in some concerns, because the view you hold is out there in the public. Held by some. In consideration of that, although I hoped in turning up the volume a bit to clarify why it would seem to me to go further than a form of media frenzy, brother, I truly respect (as I have seen over the many months) your genuine care for our president. To such extent, your observations helped me even in changing my own views on some things. I meant my post to be a collage of sentiment that would seem to go with window dressing perhaps as to how the other side of perspective might look from different directions. But I believe I could have used better ways to display that. In some ways this has caught me off guard. I mean I am suprised actually in a number of ways. And I think there are some helpful perspectives in my post above. But brother you have every right to see it differently. And in one sense, overreaction is a theme you would see as to why there is so much media craze over this issues. My former post being a hook-line-and-sinker example of that. So in at least one way, I kind of proved your point. Again, I apologize for the over-the-top sentiment. And thanks for so many times on our forum, truly being a good voice of reason. Blessings.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump was on that list and that is why his pressers etc are trying to do the nothing to see here, he was a different person back then to the man he is now ( i'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's a baby/carnal Christian)
I would think if Trump was on a nefarious list, the left was in control of this for a few years, they would’ve shouted it to every network. Even if prominent dems were also on the list, the Dems would’ve sacrificed them to take down Trump.

Two words sum up this story - Kabuki Theatre
 
The one thing I would note in relation to Trump's recent views on Ebstein is it was an historic moment for Truth Social where Trump got more negative replies to his Epstein take than positive...


And according to conservative outlet Daily Caller, Trump separates his own party...lol


The Quartering (a just shy of 2 million sub conservative YT channel) demonstrates that MAGA Influencers share in dividing MAGA supporters


15 min video-- Which I think helps provide a credible context that does transcend mere media hype. Blessings.
 
The Quartering (a just shy of 2 million sub conservative YT channel) demonstrates that MAGA Influencers share in dividing MAGA supporters

Most of the MAGA crowd are people who can think for themselves although I'm sure that a slice of MAGA is braindead wackos as that is inevitable. They support Trump because Trump wants to do right by the USA.

A difference of opinion on a topic is not going to cost Trump the support he has as that support runs deep and is based on "America First". Those supporters want to see their govmint by the people and working for the people, and not taking care of the entire world along with the bank accounts of corrupt politicians at the expense of the American people.

What I'm trying to say is a good sized chunk of MAGA folks can get upset about the handling of the Epstein case but at the end of the day they remain fiercely loyal to America First, and to Trump so long as Trump remains "America First".

The MAGA crowd will differ on an issue or two, but where the rubber hits the road they remain united.
 
Most of the MAGA crowd are people who can think for themselves although I'm sure that a slice of MAGA is braindead wackos as that is inevitable. They support Trump because Trump wants to do right by the USA.

A difference of opinion on a topic is not going to cost Trump the support he has as that support runs deep and is based on "America First". Those supporters want to see their govmint by the people and working for the people, and not taking care of the entire world along with the bank accounts of corrupt politicians at the expense of the American people.I

What I'm trying to say is a good sized chunk of MAGA folks can get upset about the handling of the Epstein case but at the end of the day they remain fiercely loyal to America First, and to Trump so long as Trump remains "America First".

The MAGA crowd will differ on an issue or two, but where the rubber hits the road they remain united.
Amen. I would see that as a testimony to the party--those who elected Trump. I think it is cool that MAGA is not monolithic. People who want to see America do good are a blend. And some of them are Dems not moved enough just yet :) I think its healthy. But I also think its real. Amen.

On a similar note, just putting this out there since no one wants to have a food fight :( (a thing we used to do at JDF), I guess this is my version of loading hotdogs into an injector tool and launching 24 like buckshot all over the room. :p For those believers who are into ACLJ ministry (real world ministry support through legal defense), Jay Sekulow had John Solomon on recently. Apparently he considers Solomon to have solid sources. After watching that recent interview, it would make sense on some level that Epstein could be a distraction of sorts from what Solomon broke news about regarding DOJ investigatory levels currently. So if true, it would mean Trump purposefully spiking the social media punch for effect. That may not be what is going on. But as the hotdogs fly, if it is...its kinda working...lol. Blessings.
 
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