Essenes Predict 2025 ? The Final Age As Apophis Approaches ? / Tom Horn / Ken Johnson

[Andy C]

Which one?

The one about 11Q13

here should actually help a bit. That will give you some idea of who the Essenes were, and how they quite probably melted into Christianity, once their Messiah they had prophesied of who would arrive and die for the sins of the people around 32 AD, and rise from the dead came.

If you mean the videos at the top and the one I posted here YouTube Those were dealing with Tom Horn's idea about Wormwood and the Asteroid named Apophis and a near pass of earth on Friday April 13 of 2029. The Essenes come into that conversation due to their calendar system.

Extra Biblical sources are good sources for history that shows the Bible is accurate to the unbeliever. They also can help us understand Jewish idioms - such as the references Jesus makes to the Jewish wedding ceremony of Galilee in that time period.

To understand what Jesus said about "I go to prepare a place for you" it helps to know that was a thing the Jewish bridegroom said to his bride once she accepted his proposal. He would then leave and prepare that place for her and be gone for up to 2 years.

Only the Father knows is the response of the bridegroom to the good natured ribbing when friends or relatives would ask when is that wedding? Because in first century wedding customs the Father was the one who decided when.

Understanding the idiom isn't necessary to take the literal meaning, but it adds depth and certainty. We are then sure that Jesus is coming back for us, that He is preparing that wedding chamber for us and that when God the Father tells Him to get us, then He will go get us.

It gives us greater understanding. It doesn't replace what we learn in the Bible. Same with the Essenes and their history and writings. Or Josephus. They aren't held to the Biblical standard of accuracy but they add understanding that first century Jews took for granted.

The OP video.

My only concern is by what’s mentioned in a few points up thread, the Essenes have been wrong in some of their prophecy views, then they should not ever be mentioned when it comes to prophecy. They were not prophets.

Its interesting reading what you and others have written about them, but for me, I’m sticking with the Bible.

 

[Margery]

Most credible Essene research is useful to back up what the Bible says to skeptics. Not prophecy. I agree, Bible prophecy is the only one that holds water. 100%accurate 100% of the time.

We don't always understand though when or how to apply a prophecy. eg Isaiah 17- the destruction of Damascus. We have several theories all biblical, but some argue it happened in the past and others expect it to be fulfilled in the future.

Knowing how the Jews of that time saw things does give an extra layer of understanding- that is why knowing idioms like the Jewish Wedding rituals gives us greater understanding of what Jesus meant when He said "I go to prepare a place for you".

Does that change our view of prophecy? No, but it adds understanding and helps eliminate the mid trib or post trib position. If you look at the Jewish wedding, it overlays the Rapture and the Tribulation perfectly.

The prophecy angle is interesting because the Essenes were predicting their Jewish Messiah would arrive, die and resurrect from the dead in 32AD approximately.

That doesn't make them Biblical any more than the Wise Men from the East - who were descendants of people who were taught by Daniel and were aware of a general time frame when that king of the Jews that Daniel taught them of, would appear.

It does make their contributions historically interesting from a Biblical perspective because it knocks the stuffing out of those who claim that the Jews were NOT expecting their Messiah around that time frame. Most weren't but the ones who were, were of the Essene camp.

So it's useful for Apologetics, and answering Bible Critics.

As for taking the Essene calendar or any calendar for that matter as a prophecy, I agree with you.

It's interesting to see how the calendar fits with the dates of Passover for example - we take the Pharisee calendar as the correct one for dates in history, but the Essene calendar might be more accurate as a reflection of the calendar that was used from Moses down to the dispersion when the calendars tend to start to diverge.

Their calendar has 6000 years of history, divided by 3 groups of 2000 years each. Then followed by a Millennial kingdom of Righteousness that lasts 1000 years. They were Young Earth Creationists before such a term was ever invented. They were believers in a Millennial kingdom of Righteousness ruled by a son of David, a Melchizedek priest.

They didn't understand everything perfectly, but the more they revered Scripture, the greater their understanding was and it became so "Christian" that if it wasn't for the fact (provable fact) that it predates Christ by 200 years, the historians would have thrown out the scrolls as a Christian hoax. The fact they were reluctantly forced to acknowledge that this group predicted Christ and taught a very consistent interpretation of scripture and prophecy that lines up with modern dispensationalism, speaks volumes.

We shouldn't look at their calendar as prophecy- but as an ancient document that predates Christ, that accurately divides the millennia, and teaches a form of dispensational theology before the church was born.

 

[mattfivefour]

Most credible Essene research is useful to back up what the Bible says to skeptics. Not prophecy. I agree, Bible prophecy is the only one that holds water. 100%accurate 100% of the time.

We don't always understand though when or how to apply a prophecy. eg Isaiah 17- the destruction of Damascus. We have several theories all biblical, but some argue it happened in the past and others expect it to be fulfilled in the future.

Knowing how the Jews of that time saw things does give an extra layer of understanding- that is why knowing idioms like the Jewish Wedding rituals gives us greater understanding of what Jesus meant when He said "I go to prepare a place for you".

Does that change our view of prophecy? No, but it adds understanding and helps eliminate the mid trib or post trib position. If you look at the Jewish wedding, it overlays the Rapture and the Tribulation perfectly.

The prophecy angle is interesting because the Essenes were predicting their Jewish Messiah would arrive, die and resurrect from the dead in 32AD approximately.

That doesn't make them Biblical any more than the Wise Men from the East - who were descendants of people who were taught by Daniel and were aware of a general time frame when that king of the Jews that Daniel taught them of, would appear.

It does make their contributions historically interesting from a Biblical perspective because it knocks the stuffing out of those who claim that the Jews were NOT expecting their Messiah around that time frame. Most weren't but the ones who were, were of the Essene camp.

So it's useful for Apologetics, and answering Bible Critics.

As for taking the Essene calendar or any calendar for that matter as a prophecy, I agree with you.

It's interesting to see how the calendar fits with the dates of Passover for example - we take the Pharisee calendar as the correct one for dates in history, but the Essene calendar might be more accurate as a reflection of the calendar that was used from Moses down to the dispersion when the calendars tend to start to diverge.

Their calendar has 6000 years of history, divided by 3 groups of 2000 years each. Then followed by a Millennial kingdom of Righteousness that lasts 1000 years. They were Young Earth Creationists before such a term was ever invented. They were believers in a Millennial kingdom of Righteousness ruled by a son of David, a Melchizedek priest.

They didn't understand everything perfectly, but the more they revered Scripture, the greater their understanding was and it became so "Christian" that if it wasn't for the fact (provable fact) that it predates Christ by 200 years, the historians would have thrown out the scrolls as a Christian hoax. The fact they were reluctantly forced to acknowledge that this group predicted Christ and taught a very consistent interpretation of scripture and prophecy that lines up with modern dispensationalism, speaks volumes.

We shouldn't look at their calendar as prophecy- but as an ancient document that predates Christ, that accurately divides the millennia, and teaches a form of dispensational theology before the church was born.

Perfectly put, Margery!