California Secessionists Just Took Their First Major Step Towards a Bid for Independence

The California secessionist movement is fast becoming a political reality, even though it stands no realistic chance of ever succeeding.

In a crucial first step towards their long term goal, secessionists have successfully filed a ballot initiative proposing that the state become its own country and secede from the United States.

The initiative has now been cleared for signature gathering and will require 546,651 valid signatures by July 22nd in order to become a formal ballot initiative.

If successful, voters would be asked in 2028 the following question: “Should California leave the United States and become a free and independent country?”


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California Secessionists Just Took Their First Major Step Towards a Bid for Independence | The Gateway Pundit | by Ben Kew

The idea of a California secessionist movement is fast becoming a political reality, even if it stands no chance of succeeding.

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[1LoverofGod]

The Tenth Amendment Explained

California Secession? How it Could Happen in Practice​

The legal issue surrounding secession in the Civil War era concerned whether states might unilaterally secede from the Union under the Constitution. The answer, underscored by force of arms and the U.S. Supreme Court, was a definitive “no.”

That states may not unilaterally secede from the Union, however, does not mean there is no route by which a state might secede peacefully, and even legally. Indeed, the U.S. Supreme Court has said there is, albeit, saying it in dictum. In holding in Texas v. White (1869) that Texas did not truly secede from the Union, Chief Justice Chase, writing for the majority, nonetheless identified two routes by which U.S. states could peacefully secede: “There was no place for reconsideration or revocation [of Texas’s entry in the Union], except through revolution or through consent of the States.”

In noting a state can leave the Union via “revolution” Chase is not rehashing the issue of unilateral secession. His comment does not counsel states seeking to secede unilaterally merely to be sure they actually win their wars to effectuate secession via revolution. After all, that much is already obvious without Chase mentioning it. Rather, Chase is noting peaceful routes to secession could be created by the replacement of the current Constitution with a new constitution. A change in the Constitution that would recognize the Union as dissoluble rather than indissoluble, and so would permit states to leave unilaterally, would be a revolutionary change in the theory of the U.S. Constitution.

That said, any constitutional change on that level would be hugely onerous. So of greater interest to putative secessionists in California (and in Texas as far as that goes) would be the second route Chase mentions, secession “through the consent of the states.” This route would not only be a peaceful means of secession, it would be a constitutional (i.e., non-revolutionary) one as well.
Whatever process Congress might adopt for secession need not be as onerous as the process required to adopt constitutional amendments: Adoption of enabling legislation need not require a supermajority vote in Congress (as constitutional amendments require). And, at congressional determination, the proportion of states sufficient to provide the “consent of the states” could be fewer than the three-fourths majority required to ratify constitutional amendments.


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California Secession? How it Could Happen in Practice | Tenth Amendment Center

That states may not unilaterally secede from the Union, however, does not mean there is no route by which a state might secede peacefully, and even legally.

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[Hol]

How about conservatives in CA divide the state. Maybe name it New California, a land where liberal elite virtue signalers will get deported.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

If they secede, then Canada can become the 50th State and the flags won't have to be changed
That would save a lot of $$$

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

OTOH:
Canada has 10 Provinces and 3 Territories
Mexico has 31 States and a Federal District (similar to our Washington DC)
There are seven generally-recognized small Central American countries
The U.S. still has 14 territories (5 inhabited and 9 uninhabited) and Washington DC, which are not states

Theoretically, if each national subdivision of the three largest countries became a state, plus each small country became a state, a new flag (including California) could have up to 117 stars! Adding Greenland and the two territories claimed by the U.S., which are administered by Columbia, could make it an even 120 stars

Either the stars would have to get smaller, or maybe the blue field would extend the entire vertical top-to-bottom of the flag, and the longer red and white stripes would have to get shorter (the same dimensions as the shorter red and white stripes now). Depending on how all those stars were arranged, they might have to be closer together than they are now, or the rows of stars would have to be closer together.



/SARC

I am NOT advocating a US take-over of the Western Hemisphere, or even a portion of it.

 

[1LoverofGod]

Californians collecting signatures for secession from the US​

Activists in California are seeking to put the state’s possible independence from the US to a ballot.

Last week, the Secretary of State of California Shirley Weber authorized a voter initiative to collect signatures needed to put the matter to a vote during the November 2028 general election.

If successful, voters will be asked the question: “Should California leave the United States and become a free and independent country?” They are reportedly hoping to gain more support than their previous efforts, after Donald Trump’s 2016 election victory.


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Californians collecting signatures for secession from the US

California has approved a petition to vote for the state to become an independent country

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[1LoverofGod]

If I am still here and if this goes through,
I won't stay here.
By California succeeding from the United States, the whole Constitution will not apply to California anymore because it will no longer be part of the Union of America.
If I remember correctly, getting signatures from California residents is not enough.
I think all of the other states have to go through a process of voting and get I think a 2/3 majority to agree with the succession.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

A whole lot of US citizens would suddenly become ex-pats if this happened. This can cause issues with some benefits, such as Medicare, military and Veterans' benefits, etc. Would the new ex-pats be required to renounce their US citizenship to get California citizenship? I understand not IAW US law, but new laws in California, who knows? Would citizens of the new California, who didn't also have US citizenship, have to get a visa? I think the new California would quickly become more like a new state in Mexico than retain its own culture. Imagine what the conservative RC immigrants would have to say about LGBTQABCXYZ and abortion in the new country without current US laws allowing/protecting it. They might straighten out some stuff

 

[Tall Timbers]

California would have to pay off their portion of US debt before exiting. Their share would be trillions which CA doesn't have.

Besides, we don't want to lose the ports in California.

 

[Hol]

Hopefully this will be obvious to those closet conservatives in CA that liberals are dangerous.

Demanding privilege for the alphabet soup types and illegals drains the budget. They debank some in their Silicon Valley economic engine as a virtue signal.

Except for the wealthy elites, regular Californians would suffer.

 

[Andy C]

Nice idea, never going to happen.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

California would have to pay off their portion of US debt before exiting. Their share would be trillions which CA doesn't have.

Besides, we don't want to lose the ports in California.

Or the organic produce

 

[Margery]

Ahh they're just your version of Quebec then.

Northern Quebec is run by the First Nations who want to stay in Canada, and that's the area where all the hydroelectricity comes from that Quebec wants to hang onto. Quebec also gets more money from subsidies than they pay in tax, and they'd have to pay their share of the debt or leave with a good chunk of debt split off from us onto them.

So only the south would leave, the north with the money maker electricity generation would stay and they'd lose their market share of dairy and other stuff they produce because they wouldn't be Canadian anymore.

Which is why they've been rumbling about leaving but not going anywhere for a century and a half.

I'm pretty sure California will do the same. Grumble fiercely and do nothing.

Fun fact --the population of Canada and the population number of California are very similar. 1/10 the size of the USA population total.

 

[Spartan Sprinter]

Hmm i wonder if more states are gonna jump on this bandwagon as well :

‘New 51st state’: Huge sign that America is in ‘crisis’​

Just weeks into Donald Trump’s presidency, a bizarre and unsettling trend is taking over the United States.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/new-51st-state-huge-sign-that-america-is-in-crisis/news-story/6496c2fa5f4d661d110500bd2a79989e