Army Black Hawk Collides with Passenger Jet Over Potomac River Near DC

[Cheeky200386]

Apparently you have never watched officer Lucy Chen on the TV show “The Rookie”……

Never heard of it, lol

 

[TCC]

MSN

Army Blackhawk pilot in DC crash failed to heed flight instructor’s command 15 seconds before deadly collision: report​

The Army Blackhawk pilot involved in the Washington, DC, plane crash failed to heed her flight instructor’s warning just 15 seconds before the deadly crash that killed 67 people, according to a new report.

Moments before the deadly Jan. 29 crash near Reagan International Airport, Capt. Rebecca Lobach missed an order from co-pilot Andrew Eaves, who was overseeing her training mission, to change course and avoid the descending American Airlines jet, the New York Times reported.

Along with the error, officials found that the pilots “stepped on” some of the air traffic controller’s instructions, meaning they accidentally cut him off when pressing the button to talk over the radio and likely missed important information.

 

[Baby Yoda]

“Turning left would have opened up more space between the helicopter and Flight 5342, which was heading for Runway 33 at an altitude of roughly 300 feet,” The Times wrote. “She did not turn left.”

 

[Margery]

I am so sorry to hear this, but at least this puts an end to any conspiracy theories floating around. How sad. Hopefully lessons will be learnt.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

Maybe I’m the minority but I would prefer if my pilots were men, not women. Women are capable of some wonderful things but they are not men and can’t do everything to the same capacity as men. I don’t think you are suggesting that by the way, I’m just sharing that sometimes the person’s gender is important to know and is relevant.

No offense to you either by the way. I know you were in law enforcement but I really don’t like when I see a woman stepping out of a police vehicle on the side of the road after stopping another car. It looks ridiculous and is not intimidating in the slightest. I just imagine how easily a female officer could compromise other officers by being overpowered by a male criminal. Same with females in the military as infantry or female firefighters. It’s just a problem waiting to happen.

You are entitled to your opinion.

I'm also a retired Soldier, and I didn't drive a desk.


My oath to defend the country and the Constitution has no expiration date, and if necessary, I am still prepared to give my life.

 

[Shinobi]

Maybe I’m the minority but I would prefer if my pilots were men, not women. Women are capable of some wonderful things but they are not men and can’t do everything to the same capacity as men. I don’t think you are suggesting that by the way, I’m just sharing that sometimes the person’s gender is important to know and is relevant.

No offense to you either by the way. I know you were in law enforcement but I really don’t like when I see a woman stepping out of a police vehicle on the side of the road after stopping another car. It looks ridiculous and is not intimidating in the slightest. I just imagine how easily a female officer could compromise other officers by being overpowered by a male criminal. Same with females in the military as infantry or female firefighters. It’s just a problem waiting to happen.

I am not trying to start an argument here. I am only pointing out some simple facts. During WWII large numbers of Bombers made their way to England from the US being flown by women because men were busy fighting the war. A significant number of the earliest aviators were also woman some who built their own aircraft. If you ever get a chance to see it there is an image of a woman on the top wing of a biplane replacing a wheel in flight of other biplane that had fallen off during take off and that plane landed safely.

My point is this. Gender has nothing to do with skills and often abilities. I worked with a lady who on rifle qualification day, needed to qualify for an up coming promotion. She just grabbed a rifle, was allow three shots to to zero in and then qualified near perfect score. That was some very fine shooting.

Then there were the night witches from Russia in WWII. They would fly at night with no instruments and find German emplacements and drop mortars and grenades and were extremely successful in their attacks. Germans hated the night witches because they were very good at what they did.

So we are talking about skills here and as such gender means nothing. In fact the most recent record set for Top Fuel drag racing was done by a woman who did not only set the highest ever speed record at 341.59 mph and she is considered to be a very top notch mechanic as well. Even in my own family my Mom was a Rosie the Riveter for 2 years before she joined the Army at the end of WWII. Lastly there is the female AF A-10 pilot who got severely shot up in the Gulf war and still managed to fly her very badly damaged plane back to her base. These are skill sets that either a man or woman can have. Gender really does not come into play here. Any woman trained well enough can match men when it comes to skills. Physical strength such as we see it the current attempt my men to compete in women's sport is a different situation all together.

What I would say is I care not who flies any plane I ride on male or female but how much experience do they have. In the above article it claims the pilot likely responsible only had 45 hours and that is a drop in the bucket to what I would consider experience. Only 45 hours limits the number of conditions and locations a person has flow into and out of. Now whether her politics plays into this or not is between her and God now but if I had to suspect anything about her it would be her politics over her gender. Since we can in no way ever know though, it is still an unfortunate accident as long as there was no intent to crash as happened. Because quite frankly many crashes of military accidents have come at the hands of men more than of women and many of them had way more experience than just 45 hours.

As I said I get it. It is a mind set you have and I am not trying to change it. I am only pointing out that gender really does not play into this at all as for ability to fly but skills and experience is the determining factor.

 

[Cheeky200386]

I am not trying to start an argument here. I am only pointing out some simple facts. During WWII large numbers of Bombers made their way to England from the US being flown by women because men were busy fighting the war. A significant number of the earliest aviators were also woman some who built their own aircraft. If you ever get a chance to see it there is an image of a woman on the top wing of a biplane replacing a wheel in flight of other biplane that had fallen off during take off and that plane landed safely.

My point is this. Gender has nothing to do with skills and often abilities. I worked with a lady who on rifle qualification day, needed to qualify for an up coming promotion. She just grabbed a rifle, was allow three shots to to zero in and then qualified near perfect score. That was some very fine shooting.

Then there were the night witches from Russia in WWII. They would fly at night with no instruments and find German emplacements and drop mortars and grenades and were extremely successful in their attacks. Germans hated the night witches because they were very good at what they did.

So we are talking about skills here and as such gender means nothing. In fact the most recent record set for Top Fuel drag racing was done by a woman who did not only set the highest ever speed record at 341.59 mph and she is considered to be a very top notch mechanic as well. Even in my own family my Mom was a Rosie the Riveter for 2 years before she joined the Army at the end of WWII. Lastly there is the female AF A-10 pilot who got severely shot up in the Gulf war and still managed to fly her very badly damaged plane back to her base. These are skill sets that either a man or woman can have. Gender really does not come into play here. Any woman trained well enough can match men when it comes to skills. Physical strength such as we see it the current attempt my men to compete in women's sport is a different situation all together.

What I would say is I care not who flies any plane I ride on male or female but how much experience do they have. In the above article it claims the pilot likely responsible only had 45 hours and that is a drop in the bucket to what I would consider experience. Only 45 hours limits the number of conditions and locations a person has flow into and out of. Now whether her politics plays into this or not is between her and God now but if I had to suspect anything about her it would be her politics over her gender. Since we can in no way ever know though, it is still an unfortunate accident as long as there was no intent to crash as happened. Because quite frankly many crashes of military accidents have come at the hands of men more than of women and many of them had way more experience than just 45 hours.

As I said I get it. It is a mind set you have and I am not trying to change it. I am only pointing out that gender really does not play into this at all as for ability to fly but skills and experience is the determining factor.

No worries. I’m more shocked at the responses than anything. Women, as skilled as they may be, increase the liability and risk while being in certain positions of the military and within first responders. My position may be the minority on this forum, and I’m ok with that. Research also demonstrates the differences in ability when it comes to spatial perception, the impact of performance pressure on gender differences (research I did way back in the day, yes I’m older than I look lol), and that’s not even mentioning the obvious muscle and strength difference.

The reality is there are many who hold to this position but because of the influence of feminism in our culture know they must be silent.

My husband was just as surprised by the responses I got on here and confirmed that officers in the units he’s worked over the years (in MA, in FL and now in NH while in corrections, the city police, and the Air Force and now the VA) share in the sentiment but can’t really do or say much about it. Interestingly enough, he shared that the women that are hired in these units eventually make their way inside and off the streets doing administrative tasks per their own requests.

Of course there are always exceptions, like probably Gnochti on here, but I’m talking about the norm. Knowing that standards have also been lowered for DEI purposes does not help either.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

Interestingly enough, he shared that the women that are hired in these units eventually make their way inside and off the streets doing administrative tasks per their own requests.

Of course there are always exceptions, like probably Gnochti on here, but I’m talking about the norm. Knowing that standards have also been lowered for DEI purposes does not help either.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

I hate when women in LE try to get off the street, and hate it even more when TPTB allow or even encourage it Those positions should be primarily earned, and secondarily assigned to disabled/older/recovering from injuries/illness officers, who aren't as capable as they once were, but still have a lot to offer and are valuable to the department. Having an inexperienced officer of either gender as a property officer is a surefire way to end up with lawsuits and lost cases. Having a young officer as an aide, etc. in the Command offices can create a huge image problem and keep the young officer from actually learning the real-world parts of his or her job. If and when that officer ends up back on the street, he or she may actually be in charge and have no clue, thus creating huge safety and service issues for officers and the community. If not in charge, he or she might have been privy to something about the officer(s) in charge or Command Staff that he or she should not know as a subordinate. That subordinate officer might also not be trusted by other officers. It goes without saying that inexperienced officers have no business serving as trainers, internal affairs, etc. The only exception I can think of off-hand would be an inexperienced officer, who has special expertise in something, who could be pulled off the street to teach a specific class and then returned to the street. An example might be a former military drone operator or technician teaching a drone class.

I've always hated that there are dual standards for males and females for PT in the military. I figured the standards were there to make sure we could do our jobs, so I maxed on the male standards, especially since in non-traditional job/positions, and because I didn't want to be thought of as having a "cheap" max. Doing that while in a leadership role "encouraged" my Soldiers to do likewise without my having to say anything I figured I had an advantage on the sit-ups due to lower center of gravity, the men had an advantage on the run because of larger cardiovascular, and the push-ups evened out because every Soldier pushed his or her own weight.

Lowered and/or dual standards are terrible for everyone
Especially when one's score translates into promotion points and professional ratings.