Hopefully the black boxes from both aircraft will paint a picture of exactly what happened.
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Army Black Hawk Collides with Passenger Jet Over Potomac River Near DC
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LightOfMyLife
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ing we get answers so the families and friends of those who lost their lives have some closure. I read a lady who was a passenger on the American Airlines had texted her husband that they would be landing in 20 minutes. He knew something was wrong when he didn't hear from her again.
AnyMinute
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I know I've parked in the cell phone lot many times in St. Louis waiting on my wife's arrival, watching the planes come in. It's heart wrenching to imagine what those waiting on that flight went through.
I know that within minutes of of seeing the news break, I had to pause watching and say a prayer for all the loved ones whose hearts are broken right now.
I'm praying for all involved.
Kem
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This would at least explain why they were flying at too high an altitude but one still wonders how they could not have seen the airliner and why the air traffic controller didn't catch the fact that the helicopter was too high and warn them.- YouTube
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Saw this this morning, it might have been the altimeter on the helicopter was off, resulting in flying too high in the same space as the jet.
The Air Traffic Controller was also dealing with double the load that night, doing 2 people's jobs. I think it will prove to be a whole bunch of minor errors that all together created the accident.
President Trump is right to be looking at the role DEI may have played, but even if it wasn't contributing to this accident, sometimes a whole bunch of things happen, that if only one thing went right, the accident would have been avoided.
LightOfMyLife
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I heard that there was a Championship Skating in Wichita, Ks, and the married Russian skating couple were 2 people that were killed. Their 23 year old son was in Wichita also he is a Team US skater, and he would have been killed as well but left there on Monday. https://www.foxnews.com/us/victims-...ing-american-airlines-jet-military-helicopter
LightOfMyLife
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There have been 28 bodies recovered so far, and they get the other 39 bodies so their families can lay them to rest. https://www.cf.org/news/dc-plane-crash-update-67-dead-28-bodies-recovered/
they get the other 39 bodies so their families can lay them to rest. https://www.cf.org/news/dc-plane-crash-update-67-dead-28-bodies-recovered/
Ghoti Ichthus
Genesis 18:32, 2 Chronicles 7:14, Acts 5:29
There have been 28 bodies recovered so far, and
Hoping and praying there's at least one survivor . . .
(don't think it's impossible, it happened before, and with God, all things are possible)
LightOfMyLife
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One of the problems was the helicopter was flying too high the altitude was wrong. There were 3 soldiers on the helicopter.
LightOfMyLife
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There was a married couple Bob and Lori Schrock from Kiowa, Kansas going to see their college daughter on the plane. https://www.facebook.com/search/top?q=lori schrock I grew up in Kansas City, Kansas.
ABC 23, is reporting that the "Federal Aviation Administration is restricting helicopters around Reagan National Airport following Wednesday’s deadly midair collision between an American Airlines regional jet and an Army Black Hawk helicopter," the Associated Press reported on Friday.
Citing an anonymous source, the Associated Press reported that "most helicopters won’t be allowed to use low-to-the-ground routes that run under or parallel to the airport’s flightpaths." The FAA has yet to publicly confirm the AP’s report
Citing an anonymous source, the Associated Press reported that "most helicopters won’t be allowed to use low-to-the-ground routes that run under or parallel to the airport’s flightpaths." The FAA has yet to publicly confirm the AP’s report
LightOfMyLife
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Black boxes and 41 bodies found 26 more to go. https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/plane-crash-washington-dc-updates
WAYNE ROOT: Here is the Best Explanation I’ve Heard for the Crash at Reagan Airport From An Experienced Blackhawk Pilot and Crew Chief
*The single-greatest error in this accident was the decision to fly without a second Crew Chief on the left-hand side of the Blackhawk, who could have provided an extra set of eyes to “look out-and-up” to see the approaching American Airlines Passenger plane.*Night Vision Goggle (NVG) flights result in a sort-of “tunnel vision” for all who wear the NVGs and normal policy in many Army flight units is to force a full crew of 2 pilots and 2 crew chiefs for all NVG flights, so that you always have “eyes out” to both sides of the aircraft, when flying in those conditions. While not mandatory, it is the proper safety call, especially when flying in the vicinity of a busy, major airport such as Reagan Airport (DCA). No matter how competent the pilots and Crew Chiefs may be, this flight needed a second Crew Chief on the left side of the chopper.
*The front-left pilot, even if not wearing Night Vision Goggles, would still have limited visibility out the left door, and if that pilot is busy with radio calls, or referencing the map/GPS, that pilot could get consumed by work inside the cockpit, instead of looking out and around.
WAYNE ROOT: Here is the Best Explanation I’ve Heard for the Crash at Reagan Airport From An Experienced Blackhawk Pilot and Crew Chief | The Gateway Pundit | by Assistant Editor
An experienced Blackhawk pilot shares critical insights into the recent Reagan Airport crash, highlighting systemic failures and the absence of essential safety protocols. Read on for an in-depth analysis of this tragic incident.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
That sounds sensible till they can sort it all out. Several news reports spoke of an incident with a helicopter the previous day which caused a pilot to abort his landing procedure.
I heard a military trainer explain that same thing too. She trains people in Blackhawks and she said the very first red flag for her was 3 not 4 people- and 2 of the 4 are required to watch both sides. She made sense, she said there are too many moments in a training flight where eyes are down on a computer tablet dealing with screens instead of what's outside and the way helicopters work you need eyes on both sides plus the trainer plus the trainee.WAYNE ROOT: Here is the Best Explanation I’ve Heard for the Crash at Reagan Airport From An Experienced Blackhawk Pilot and Crew Chief
*The single-greatest error in this accident was the decision to fly without a second Crew Chief on the left-hand side of the Blackhawk, who could have provided an extra set of eyes to “look out-and-up” to see the approaching American Airlines Passenger plane.
*Night Vision Goggle (NVG) flights result in a sort-of “tunnel vision” for all who wear the NVGs and normal policy in many Army flight units is to force a full crew of 2 pilots and 2 crew chiefs for all NVG flights, so that you always have “eyes out” to both sides of the aircraft, when flying in those conditions. While not mandatory, it is the proper safety call, especially when flying in the vicinity of a busy, major airport such as Reagan Airport (DCA). No matter how competent the pilots and Crew Chiefs may be, this flight needed a second Crew Chief on the left side of the chopper.
*The front-left pilot, even if not wearing Night Vision Goggles, would still have limited visibility out the left door, and if that pilot is busy with radio calls, or referencing the map/GPS, that pilot could get consumed by work inside the cockpit, instead of looking out and around.
WAYNE ROOT: Here is the Best Explanation I’ve Heard for the Crash at Reagan Airport From An Experienced Blackhawk Pilot and Crew Chief | The Gateway Pundit | by Assistant Editor
An experienced Blackhawk pilot shares critical insights into the recent Reagan Airport crash, highlighting systemic failures and the absence of essential safety protocols. Read on for an in-depth analysis of this tragic incident.
The military people made sense as to why night flights, why there. It's to remove important people in a hurry from Washington in case of another 911 type situation or incoming missile threat.
The DEI situation impacting this- it's to do with hiring practices that put a bottleneck on new Air Traffic Controllers. The regulations for DEI meant that many qualified people were denied, resulting in staff shortages.
The staff shortage that night, that had the 1 controller doing the job of 2 may have been a part of that problem or it may not but thankfully they are looking into it, and Trump is doing his best to reverse that craziness.
Pilots I listened to said this ATC did an outstanding job even doing both jobs at once. Whoever they are, they are under great strain and stress right now and need prayers.
The staff shortage that night, that had the 1 controller doing the job of 2 may have been a part of that problem or it may not but thankfully they are looking into it, and Trump is doing his best to reverse that craziness.
Pilots I listened to said this ATC did an outstanding job even doing both jobs at once. Whoever they are, they are under great strain and stress right now and need prayers.
With this President, and this press secretary, I think we might.
Ghoti Ichthus
Genesis 18:32, 2 Chronicles 7:14, Acts 5:29
1LoverofGod
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Chilling Audio Reveals Air Traffic Control's Final Instructions to Doomed Black Hawk, Panicked Aftermath
In the moments before a Black Hawk helicopter collided with a passenger jet over the Potomac River on Wednesday, air traffic controllers instructed the Army chopper to move away from the jet coming in for a landing.
“PAT 25 pass behind the CRJ,” an air traffic controller said, using the call sign for the chopper and referring to a Bombardier CRJ-701 twin-engine jet as CRJ.
Seconds later the collision occurred that led to the deaths of all aboard the jet and helicopter, according to WTTG.
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Chilling Audio Reveals Air Traffic Control's Final Instructions to Doomed Black Hawk, Panicked Aftermath
The final communications with a doomed Black Hawlk helicopter give no indication of the disaster that would follow within a few seconds.
www.westernjournal.com
Shinobi
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Reports now say a crew of three was on the Army helicopter. Sounds like a typical type training flight. The commercial flight was said to have 60 passengers of which a number of them were sport ice skaters and possible coaching staff. Not that it means a lot I did hear a number of the skaters were from Russia. I don't why the news felt compelled to say that but it is out there now.Who (or what) was on the helicopter and/or plane?
The most likely scenario I have heard was the helo was on VFR and when notified of traffic was focused on more distant traffic a good ways to the left of where the plane they hit and did not see the plane they hit till the last minute and could not vere away in time. That makes the most sense from the videos I have seen. I am not buying into the conspiracy theory that helo was under remote control even with crew on board. Remote control would employ multiple cameras around the outside and the plane hit would have been noticed well in advance. There are several other conspiracy theories roaming around but some of them are so far out in left field they can be easily dismissed as not credible on their face. People come up with really silly ideas when these things happen. For the most part it really does appear to be a very tragic accident where circumstances just came together just right for it to happen. Two different air craft using two different flying regulations, night time, lots of traffic in the air around the area, and some simple confusion and lack communications with all involved.
