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About the Lake of Fire

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Brimstone is an old-fashioned name for sulfur, a chemical that can be found in volcanoes.

When molten magma comes to the earth’s surface, it turns into lava, which dries. Molten magma beneath the earth’s surface continues to burn. This is the only lake of fire on earth.

NKJV Revelation 20:13-14. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

NKJV Revelation 21:8. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
 
Brimstone is an old-fashioned name for sulfur, a chemical that can be found in volcanoes.

When molten magma comes to the earth’s surface, it turns into lava, which dries. Molten magma beneath the earth’s surface continues to burn. This is the only lake of fire on earth.

NKJV Revelation 20:13-14. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

NKJV Revelation 21:8. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
I believe because the scriptures say that "Death and Hades" are cast into the lake of fire, that, "Death and Hades" can't feel anything because we all know that "Death and Hades," are not living persons, so "Death and Hades" can't feel anything. Because of the fact that "Death and Hades" are not persons who can feel anything, I believe that when "Death and Hades" are thrown into the lake of fire they are destroyed forever, never to exist again. Do you believe this is true? Do you believe that all those persons who will be thrown into the lake of fire, such as Satan and his Demons and all humans who belong to him, will be destroyed forever never to exist again ever, as living persons?
 
I believe because the scriptures say that "Death and Hades" are cast into the lake of fire, that, "Death and Hades" can't feel anything because we all know that "Death and Hades," are not living persons, so "Death and Hades" can't feel anything. Because of the fact that "Death and Hades" are not persons who can feel anything, I believe that when "Death and Hades" are thrown into the lake of fire they are destroyed forever, never to exist again. Do you believe this is true? Do you believe that all those persons who will be thrown into the lake of fire, such as Satan and his Demons and all humans who belong to him, will be destroyed forever never to exist again ever, as living persons?
People who teach that the lake of fire is not a permanent place of punishment or that it is merely a place of annihilation or correction, those views do not have the support of scripture. The :bible:says those who were not saved, the anti-christ, false prophet, and Satan will be tormented forever. Read these scriptures :bible:Matthew 3:12, Rev 20:10. and Rev 14:10-11.
 
I understand that there are those who believe that people who teach that the lake of fire isn't a permanent place of punishment, but instead teach that it's a place where persons, such as Satan and his demons, and all the humans who choose to follow them, to be a place where those persons are annihilated out of existence to not have the support of the scriptures. But honestly I don't believe that when the scriptures say that Death and Hades, are thrown into the lake of fire, that Death and Hades, are tormented forever because they're not persons. How can Death and Hades be tormented if they're not persons? So because Death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire, the only thing I can understand about that is that when Death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire, it means Death and Hades, will never exist again. So why wouldn't I believe that persons who are thrown into the lake of fire would never exist again. The scriptures do teach us that the lake of fire is the second death, and I don't believe death is a place or a person, instead I believe death is a condition. So I believe anything such as Death and Hades, and persons, like Satan and his demons and all those of humanity who follow Satan and his demons, who are thrown into the lake of fire, will never exist again just as Death and Hades, will never exist again.
The scriptures you told me to read, like Matthew 3:12. I'm thinking you want me to see this scripture supporting people being literally tormented when thrown into the lake if fire, because Matthew 3:12_has the phrase, "but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." However I I keep Matthew 3:12 in the setting of John the Baptist and what he was saying. So if you're saying that because Matthew 3:12 has the phrase, "but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire," that means, John the Baptist was talking about people being literally burned and being literally tormented by that unquenchable fire, I disagree.

John the Baptist, was foretelling the coming burning destruction of the wicked false religionists, and the Thresher, wasJesus Christ, who would gather in the wheat, “but the chaff he will burn up with fire that cannot be put out.”
The wheat that was gathered into the storehouse, was the Jewish remnant that sided with Jesus the Messiah the Prince. They were baptized with holy spirit from the day of Pentecost forward. The chaff that was burned up with unquenchable fire, was the Jewish nation in general, which sided with Caesar against Jesus. They were baptized with God's wrath particularly from 70 A.D. onward. Chaff represents what is useless, so when Jesus sacrificed his life, that old way of Jewish worship, the temple, animal sacrifices, and the law covenant ended, so was worthless in getting an approved relationship with God. So people had to recognize that Jesus is the head of the origination that represents God's people, and true worship.But because the Jews in general didn't recognize Jesus as the Messiah, they kept looking at the temple and animal sacrifices, and the law covenant etc as the way of true worship. But when the Romans came and destroyed Jerusalem and its temple, the temple was never rebuilt, and animal sacrifices etc were done away with. That form of worship never coming into existence again, as the way to get an approved relationship with God. So the phrase, "but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire," I don't believe means, that persons will literally be burned in literal unquenchable fire, and that they will literally be in literal torment because of some literal fire. I know that others believe that to be true and that's their choice, but I disagree that the scriptures Matthew 3:12; Revelation 20:10; Revelation 14:10-11 teaches that.
Yeah sorry, i disagree with that viewpoint, we were all created as eternal beings.

If annihilationism were correct , then that would mean that God could instantly do away with the lake of fire as everyone would be destroyed through the fire after being thrown in there.

I'll respectfully leave it at that.
 
I'll leave it with you and I disagreeing on this.
Can you explain what the meaning of “everlasting fire/punishment” that Jesus said to those on his left at the sheep and goats judgment at the end of the 7 year tribulation?

Matthew 25
41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand,‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
 
I believe Matthew 25:41, 46 shows that everlasting fire symbolizes everlasting cutting off. Revelation 20:14; 21:8 says that the lake of fire means the second death, which means destruction with no hope of a resurrection back to life.
Your translation at Matthew 25:46 may say that goats go away into everlasting punishment, instead of everlasting cutting off. But right after it says that it says the righteous go into everlasting life. So the punishment for goats is opposite the sheep.The goats are cursed with the punishment of everlasting cutting off of life.
After reading the scripture I posted, one needs to add or subtract from His Words to draw the same conclusions you do. His Words are very clear.
 
Everlasting punishment is obviously a very uncomfortable topic. It's not what we want to hear. We dont want that for ourselves or the ones we love, or humans in general.
Wrestling with this concept seems natural... just keep it within God's Word. His ways are not our ways.

I definitely don't understand hell, but I believe what the Bible says about it being eternal even though my mind would prefer to reason it away. But thankfully, Jesus saves us from the lake of fire so we arent separated from Him.
 
After reading the scripture I posted, one needs to add or subtract from His Words to draw the same conclusions you do. His Words are very clear.
I understand that God's word is very clear but we human beings who are imperfect decide differently what that clear message is. Like its true that among imperfect human beings some say the truth is that human beings are living souls, and others say that the truth is that human beings have living souls. Those two statements don't mean the same thing but both groups of imperfect human beings believe that what they're saying is very clear because both believe it's God's clear word.
 
You can not operate on your truth my truth, there is only one truth, you have a soul and it lives forever, the important thing is where it will be after your earthly body dies.


In Matthew 25:46 Jesus said that the wicked “will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” The same Greek word, translated “eternal,” is used to describe both “punishment” and “life.” Jesus clearly taught that both the wicked and the righteous will exist forever in one of two conditions. Thus, every human being has an immortal, everlasting soul.

The unmistakable teaching of the Bible is that all people, whether saved or lost, will exist eternally. The spiritual part of us does not cease to exist when our fleshly bodies pass away in death. Our souls will live forever, either in the presence of God in heaven or in punishment in hell. The Bible also teaches that our souls will be reunited with our bodies at the resurrection. This hope of a bodily resurrection is at the very heart of the Christian faith (1 Corinthians 15:12–19).
 
I understand that God's word is very clear but we human beings who are imperfect decide differently what that clear message is. Like its true that among imperfect human beings some say the truth is that human beings are living souls, and others say that the truth is that human beings have living souls. Those two statements don't mean the same thing but both groups of imperfect human beings believe that what they're saying is very clear because both believe it's God's clear word.
Sometimes we human beings can take something perfectly clear and muddy it up, especially when in the clear state we couldn't wrap our brains around it or accept it. Understanding the Word isn't all that difficult if you're indwelt with the Holy Spirit and seeking the Truth.
 
I understand that God's word is very clear but we human beings who are imperfect decide differently what that clear message is.
It's easy to be led astray by the thoughts that enter your mind, it happened to Eve when the serpent spoke to her too "hath God really said". Having your own understanding is more than dangerous, many religious sects have been created by what the mind can think of or what the devil whispers, and they all THINK they are the truth.
 
Using a scripture that says, "The wicked will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life," and saying that proves that human beings have immortal souls, doesn't prove to me that human beings have immortal souls. All I see Jesus saying here is that the punishment for the wicked is that they are cut off from eternal life.The righteous are the ones rewarded with eternal life not the wicked. So the punishment for the wicked is they are cut off from eternal life.

I know that there are those that believe the Bible teaches the unmistakable teaching that human beings have living souls within the physical human body that are immortal and when a human being dies that immortal soul goes to either a place of misery or happiness. However no one has convinced me in any way that when God describes how he brought into existence the first human being at Genesis 2:7 that he said he "Gave" the physical human body a living soul when he blew the breath/spirit of life into that physical human body. The scripture at Genesis 2:7 says that when God blew the breath/spirit of life into the physical human body, the physical human body "Became" a living soul. Saying or teaching that God "Gave" the physical human body a living soul, when God blew the breath/spirit of life into the physical human body, and saying or teaching that the physical human body "Became" a living soul when God blew the breath/spirit of life into the physical human body, are not the same thing. These are two contrasting statements, they don't mean the same thing. So since the word "Became" is at Genesis 2:7 and not the word "Gave" Genesis 2:7 teaches that the physical human body "Became" a living soul, the physical human body wasn't "Given" a living soul. So I see nothing in this scripture that teaches human beings are immortal souls or have immortal souls.
What do you believe happens to a Christian upon thier death?
 
So I see nothing in this scripture that teaches human beings are immortal souls or have immortal souls.


Hebrews 4:12
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For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

Do you still think there is no soul?
 
Mark 9:43-48

And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched.

That's six verses in a row where Jesus says that hell's fire will never be extinguished, and He says it five times within those six verses. He says it's literally better to chop off body parts than to be cast into hell. I really don't think that it can get much clearer than that.
 
I had a debate with a chap who said that hell was temporary based on the Greek word Aeon, he said it didn't mean eternal just a long but limited period, like a purgatory. 'Eternal punishment' was not eternal.

However the obvious flaw in his self-defeating argument, if 'Eternal punishment' is not eternal why would 'Eternal Life' be eternal?

False teachings contradict themselves, the bible and common sense!

God Bless All :)
 
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