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THE TWO WITNESSES OF REVELATION

Andy C

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A Bible Study by Jack Kelley

And I will give power to my two witnesses and they will prophesy for 1260 days clothed in sack cloth. These are the two olive trees and the two lamp stands that stand before the Lord of the earth. If anyone tries to harm them fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying and they have the power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want. (Rev 11:3-6).

The Lord has always used the testimony of two witnesses to establish a fact. In the Mosaic law the testimony of two witnesses was required to obtain a conviction (Deut 19:15). Jesus used this law to validate His claim to be the Light of the World (John 8:17). In Revelation 11 the two witnesses validate the Lord’s claim that He (not Satan) is Lord of the Earth. So the principle of two witnesses is firmly established and almost universally accepted among Bible students. Therefore any discussion of the two witnesses of Revelation will sooner or later center on their identity.

What Was Your Name Again?​

Several Old and New Testament figures have been suggested as the identities of these two, including Moses, Elijah, Enoch, John and Nathaniel. But if the two witnesses are Biblical figures from the past, the most logical candidates are Moses and Elijah, and here’s why. The supernatural signs used to authenticate the ministry of the two witnesses are the same ones that Moses (plagues, and water into blood) and Elijah (drought and fire) used to authenticate theirs and are decidedly Old Testament in their nature. Moses is known in Judaism as the giver of the Law, while Elijah is considered the greatest of Israel’s Prophets. In fact the Old Testament is often called “the Law and the Prophets”, hinting at the contributions of these two great leaders from Israel’s history. Who better to represent God on Earth during the time when He brings events foretold in “the Law and the Prophets” to their ultimate climax?

Moses and Elijah were both with the Lord on the Mount of Transfiguration where the discussion involved His departure and 2nd coming (Luke 9:28-31 & 2 Peter 1:16-18). By the way that event was rich in symbolism. First of all it took place out of time, Jesus appearing as He later would at His 2nd coming joined by the Voice of the Father, and the Cloud or Shekinah Glory, a manifestation of the Holy Spirit. Then you have Moses and Elijah representing Old Testament and Israel, and finally Peter, James and John, representing the New Testament and the Church. Peter’s suggestion that he build booths for Moses and Elijah refers to a fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles, recalling the time when God dwelt with man and looking forward to the Millennium when God will again dwell among us. Also first century church tradition holds that Moses and Elijah were the two men in white who appeared to the disciples on the Mt. of Olives at the Lord’s ascension and promised His return (Acts 1:10-11).

The Age Of Man​

As the age of man draws to a close we come full circle with God when, following the removal of the Church, He turns again to Israel as the focus of His attention and reverts to an Old Testament approach to mankind in general. In the Old Testament people believed in God because of the dramatic supernatural signs He gave to demonstrate His existence. It has been described as a time of belief by evidence. In the Upper room as Thomas saw the evidence Jesus presented him and believed, Jesus said, “Because you have seen Me you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed” (John 20:29). This was the Lord’s last beatitude and looked forward to the coming Church.

The Church Age is a time of belief by faith, and that faith has brought great blessing, just as the Lord promised. When those who have believed by faith are gone, God will once again demonstrate His existence with dramatic supernatural signs, and many will believe because of this evidence. It’s going to be pretty tough to look up into the sky and see an army on white horses descending and say, “No I don’t believe that.”

The Book of Revelation documents this return to a time of belief by evidence, and will make things even more obvious because mankind will now have a script with which to follow the action. Of Revelation’s 404 verses 278 are direct quotes from the Old Testament. Remember, God’s primary objectives during the Great Tribulation are two fold; to completely destroy all the nations among which the Jews were scattered, and to discipline and purify Israel (Jere. 30:4-11) in preparation for the Kingdom Age.

The Great Tribulation is so Old Testament in its nature and so obviously directed at Israel, it’s only logical to see the two witnesses as a return of two of Israel’s greatest leaders.

Are They Dead Yet?​

From Scripture we know that Elijah was taken alive into Heaven (2 Kings 2:11) and that Moses died on Mt. Nebo in Moab (Jordan) and was buried by God Himself in a place unknown to man (Deut. 34:1-6). Hebrews 9:27 states that man is destined to die once and after that to face judgement. It’s an obvious denial of the concept of reincarnation, but it also gives some scholars trouble with the idea of Moses coming back as one of the two witnesses. They’re OK with Elijah coming back: he never died (or did he? See Matt. 17:11-13). But what about Moses?

Keep in mind that Hebrews 9:27 is a principle not a rule. Several biblical figures have died more than once. Elijah raised a boy from the dead (1 Kings 17:22), Jesus raised several: Jairus’s daughter (Mark 5:40-42) the widow of Nain’s son (Luke 7:14-15) and Lazarus (John 11:43-44), and Paul raised a man who had fallen out of a third story window and died (Acts 20:7-12). I also believe that Paul himself was raised from the dead (Acts 14:19-20). These people all died again later.

Then there’s a curious reference in Jude 9 hinting at a dispute between the Archangel Michael and Satan over the body of Moses. Michael is one of the few angels named for us, and usually appears as a commander in God’s army fighting battles in defense of Israel (Daniel 12:1). Why did God need Moses’ body? Was Moses to be resurrected for some later mission to Israel? The reference in Jude assumes his readers knew or could figure out the answer.

All things considered I believe the weight of evidence favors Moses and Elijah as the two witnesses of Revelation 11. One of the great blessings of living in our time is that we won’t have long to wait until we find out for sure. You can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah.

 
I lean towards agreeing with Jack on those two candidates being the 2 Witnesses. However, it could also be two unknowns who God has chosen to do His will during the tribulation. Either way, it has no impact on the church.

I'm just glad he didn't claim they absolutely would be the two witnesses, but suggested they were the best candidates. It bugs me when teachers who have become well known make a definitive claim as to who the two witnesses will be.
 
I'm just glad he didn't claim they absolutely would be the two witnesses, but suggested they were the best candidates. It bugs me when teachers who have become well known make a definitive claim as to who the two witnesses will be.
Yes. Yes Yes. I so agree with this point TT. It makes it a lot eisier to sojourn along side men of the faith who state their case, but realize room for differences. It places focus on the topic discussed and the clarity in discovery. Amen.
 
A Bible Study by Jack Kelley

And I will give power to my two witnesses and they will prophesy for 1260 days clothed in sack cloth. These are the two olive trees and the two lamp stands that stand before the Lord of the earth. If anyone tries to harm them fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying and they have the power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want. (Rev 11:3-6).

The Lord has always used the testimony of two witnesses to establish a fact. In the Mosaic law the testimony of two witnesses was required to obtain a conviction (Deut 19:15). Jesus used this law to validate His claim to be the Light of the World (John 8:17). In Revelation 11 the two witnesses validate the Lord’s claim that He (not Satan) is Lord of the Earth. So the principle of two witnesses is firmly established and almost universally accepted among Bible students. Therefore any discussion of the two witnesses of Revelation will sooner or later center on their identity.

What Was Your Name Again?​

Several Old and New Testament figures have been suggested as the identities of these two, including Moses, Elijah, Enoch, John and Nathaniel. But if the two witnesses are Biblical figures from the past, the most logical candidates are Moses and Elijah, and here’s why. The supernatural signs used to authenticate the ministry of the two witnesses are the same ones that Moses (plagues, and water into blood) and Elijah (drought and fire) used to authenticate theirs and are decidedly Old Testament in their nature. Moses is known in Judaism as the giver of the Law, while Elijah is considered the greatest of Israel’s Prophets. In fact the Old Testament is often called “the Law and the Prophets”, hinting at the contributions of these two great leaders from Israel’s history. Who better to represent God on Earth during the time when He brings events foretold in “the Law and the Prophets” to their ultimate climax?

Moses and Elijah were both with the Lord on the Mount of Transfiguration where the discussion involved His departure and 2nd coming (Luke 9:28-31 & 2 Peter 1:16-18). By the way that event was rich in symbolism. First of all it took place out of time, Jesus appearing as He later would at His 2nd coming joined by the Voice of the Father, and the Cloud or Shekinah Glory, a manifestation of the Holy Spirit. Then you have Moses and Elijah representing Old Testament and Israel, and finally Peter, James and John, representing the New Testament and the Church. Peter’s suggestion that he build booths for Moses and Elijah refers to a fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles, recalling the time when God dwelt with man and looking forward to the Millennium when God will again dwell among us. Also first century church tradition holds that Moses and Elijah were the two men in white who appeared to the disciples on the Mt. of Olives at the Lord’s ascension and promised His return (Acts 1:10-11).

The Age Of Man​

As the age of man draws to a close we come full circle with God when, following the removal of the Church, He turns again to Israel as the focus of His attention and reverts to an Old Testament approach to mankind in general. In the Old Testament people believed in God because of the dramatic supernatural signs He gave to demonstrate His existence. It has been described as a time of belief by evidence. In the Upper room as Thomas saw the evidence Jesus presented him and believed, Jesus said, “Because you have seen Me you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed” (John 20:29). This was the Lord’s last beatitude and looked forward to the coming Church.

The Church Age is a time of belief by faith, and that faith has brought great blessing, just as the Lord promised. When those who have believed by faith are gone, God will once again demonstrate His existence with dramatic supernatural signs, and many will believe because of this evidence. It’s going to be pretty tough to look up into the sky and see an army on white horses descending and say, “No I don’t believe that.”

The Book of Revelation documents this return to a time of belief by evidence, and will make things even more obvious because mankind will now have a script with which to follow the action. Of Revelation’s 404 verses 278 are direct quotes from the Old Testament. Remember, God’s primary objectives during the Great Tribulation are two fold; to completely destroy all the nations among which the Jews were scattered, and to discipline and purify Israel (Jere. 30:4-11) in preparation for the Kingdom Age.

The Great Tribulation is so Old Testament in its nature and so obviously directed at Israel, it’s only logical to see the two witnesses as a return of two of Israel’s greatest leaders.

Are They Dead Yet?​

From Scripture we know that Elijah was taken alive into Heaven (2 Kings 2:11) and that Moses died on Mt. Nebo in Moab (Jordan) and was buried by God Himself in a place unknown to man (Deut. 34:1-6). Hebrews 9:27 states that man is destined to die once and after that to face judgement. It’s an obvious denial of the concept of reincarnation, but it also gives some scholars trouble with the idea of Moses coming back as one of the two witnesses. They’re OK with Elijah coming back: he never died (or did he? See Matt. 17:11-13). But what about Moses?

Keep in mind that Hebrews 9:27 is a principle not a rule. Several biblical figures have died more than once. Elijah raised a boy from the dead (1 Kings 17:22), Jesus raised several: Jairus’s daughter (Mark 5:40-42) the widow of Nain’s son (Luke 7:14-15) and Lazarus (John 11:43-44), and Paul raised a man who had fallen out of a third story window and died (Acts 20:7-12). I also believe that Paul himself was raised from the dead (Acts 14:19-20). These people all died again later.

Then there’s a curious reference in Jude 9 hinting at a dispute between the Archangel Michael and Satan over the body of Moses. Michael is one of the few angels named for us, and usually appears as a commander in God’s army fighting battles in defense of Israel (Daniel 12:1). Why did God need Moses’ body? Was Moses to be resurrected for some later mission to Israel? The reference in Jude assumes his readers knew or could figure out the answer.

All things considered I believe the weight of evidence favors Moses and Elijah as the two witnesses of Revelation 11. One of the great blessings of living in our time is that we won’t have long to wait until we find out for sure. You can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah.

Thanks Andy. Well this is a first for me...lol. Somtimes I can be kind of slow. But I finally get how Moses could be a candidate now. Of course there is the transfiguration indication And Jack did a great job in mention of the tablinacles desired to be built by Peter then. Mal 4 also mentions Moses along with Elijah coming before the day of the Lord. There I guess are two ways I could consider this. 1) How the two line up for a day before the Day of the Lord. And 2) Interesting in contrast that even though Moses is noted in Malichi, it is only Elijah mentioned to come before the Day of the Lord. So it could be reference indicating Moses may not be there. But it is also unmistakable how the two line up together in more than one place, potentially as a grand hint. Amen. In the latter view it would be understood that Moses and Elijah would be foremostlly to mirror, Christ. That Christ is the fulfillment of the law and the prophets.

My reasons for not really considering Moses is because he died. I never really realized a good arguement for that a long the way. But yeah there were many raised from the dead that died later (all of them). I think it is just a bit trickier to see that sort of thing after thousands of years. The cases we have seen historically in scripture were cases involving those who had died recently. And their bodies did not completely dissolve into dust. So if it is Moses, it, I believe, would be the first case then one was raised from the dead from complete ash of the earth. Well, in the sense of being able to die again. Obviously the rapture will be a mass raising of ashes in the earth but all of those cases never die again. So in that sense, if it is Moses, it would be super unique.

I have tended to go with Enoch for the obvious. But less obvious is that when Christ died He went to bear witness to the spirits now in chains. This seemed to have been an allusion to the old world. The testimony of Christ having some importance in the witness thereof concerning the old world before the flood. So there is an old and new testament era. But as the over arching conditions of creation in general, the changes Christ employed upon His resurrection would be foundationally spiritual -- although I tend to believe that democracy vs king and queen era too have been a generic temporary Christus Victor like ripple effect upon the social order of man as a natural order potential consequence of the work and resurrection of Christ. But before and after the flood would be wholistically very different natural orders of how natural law works. So Christ making reference to the significance of that age would seem to imply to me perhaps Enoch as a representation of the world that was. And Elijah for the world after. But there are other ways to look at what that meant when Christ visited the spirits now in chains that do not make that about the old world too.

In any event, Moses would make a lot of sense for Israel's 70th week implications. Because he would then be testifying to Israel that he was a type of Christ to come. It is on that note though as well I might consider perhaps Enoch instead though. Because maybe the reason Malachi 4 does not mention Moses returning with Elijah might be because Christ became the law Moses merely represented. There is that potential too. Really fascinating considerations brother. Thanks. And I appreciate arriving at my first real consideration that yeah, Moses could actually be raised and die again....biblically. That had pretty much been a blinder on me till now. Amen. Blessings.
 
Initially I'd prepared this for another thread, but here it is, in a better location. This is Arnold's thoughts on the Two Witnesses:

Taken from Footsteps of the Messiah, by Arnold Fruchtenbaum, pgs 231-233, 245-247


D. The Two Witnesses— Revelation 11:3-6

The fourth activity transpiring throughout the first half of the tribulation is the ministry of the two witnesses. Revelation 11:3-6 provides important information about these men:

3 And I will give unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks, standing before the Lord of the earth. 5 And if any man desires to hurt them, fire proceeded out of their mouth and devours their enemies; and if any man shall desire to hurt them, in this manner must he be killed. 6 These have the power to shut the heaven, that it rain not during the days of their prophecy: and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood, and to smite the earth with every plague, as often as they shall desire.


In verse 3, the duration of the ministry is given as 1,260 days, which is the equivalent of 3½ years. These 3½ years cover the first half of the tribulation period.

The identity of the witnesses is given in verse 4, and they are said to be the fulfillment of Zechariah 4:11-14:

11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive-trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? 12 And I answered the second time, and said unto him, What are these two olive branches, which are beside the two golden spouts, that empty the golden oil out of themselves? 13 And he answered me and said, Know you not what these are? And I said, No, my lord. 14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

The identity of the two witnesses has been subject to much speculation. Many teachers of prophecy try to identify them with two men who have lived in the past. One is always said to be Elijah, while the other is said to be either Moses or Enoch. Those who teach that the two witnesses are Enoch and Elijah base their assumptions on the fact that these two men have never died, and so they will return to die in the tribulation. Often, Hebrews 9:27 is used as evidence, for “it is appointed unto men once to die.” But this is a general principle and not an absolute rule. For example, take the word “once”: Some people have died twice, namely, all those who had been resurrected in the Old and New Testaments apart from Messiah. Furthermore, what about the living church saints? If Hebrews 9:27 were an absolute rule, it would mean that all church saints who are alive at the time of the rapture would also have to die at some point. Yet, I Corinthians 15:51 and I Thessalonians 4:15-17 show that Hebrews 9:27 is only a general principle. Also, in light of Hebrews 11:5, it cannot be that Enoch will die in the future: By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and he was not found, because God translated him: for he has had witness borne to him that before his translation he had been well-pleasing unto God. Enoch was clearly translated, which involves corruption putting on incorruption and mortality putting on immortality (I Cor. 15:50-58). Since Elijah has already been taken into heaven, the same is true of Enoch, for no man in his physical state can enter heaven (I Cor. 15:50). This means that neither Elijah nor Enoch can die anymore, for they are now immortal.

Those who wish to identify the two witnesses as Elijah and Moses fall back on the fact that these men appeared with Messiah at the transfiguration. But this is very flimsy evidence and hardly shows a cause and effect relationship. Others claim that these men had unfinished ministries and will return to finish them at this time. However, this opinion seems to be a very subjective judgment, and many people from the Hebrew Scriptures could be nominated for the same reason. Furthermore, while the miracles performed by the two witnesses are similar to those of Moses and Elijah, they are hardly sufficient evidence for their identity, for God can use others to perform these same miracles.

It is best to take the two witnesses to be two Jewish prophets whom God will raise up during the tribulation time. They are purely future persons and not two men from the past. The Scriptures teach that Elijah is to return before the tribulation and will conduct a ministry during this time. But there is no scriptural warrant to make Elijah one of the two witnesses. God will simply elevate two Jewish men to the office of prophet and will endow them with miraculous powers. Their exact identity, then, awaits the tribulation.

In verses 5-6, the character of their ministry and their authority is described. The two witnesses will have the power to kill others by fire. This power will be used against those seeking to kill the witnesses before their proper time has come (v. 5). The two witnesses will also receive authority to cause drought by withholding rain, to turn water into blood, and to cause other plagues (v. 6), perhaps similar to the ten that fell on Egypt (for the turning water into blood was one of them).

The two witnesses will minister in the city of Jerusalem, while the ministry of the 144,000 Jews will be worldwide. More will be said about the two witnesses in the next chapter.


H. The Death of the Two Witnesses—Revelation 11:7-13

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss shall make war with them, and overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. 9 And from among the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations do men look upon their dead bodies three days and a half, and suffer not their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb. 10 And they that dwell on the earth rejoice over them, and make merry; and they shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwell on the earth. 11 And after the three days and a half the breath of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them that beheld them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they went up into heaven in the cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell; and there were killed in the earthquake seven thousand persons: and the rest were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.


In order to gain further religious allegiance of the world masses, the Antichrist will also move against the two witnesses who, because of their supernatural abilities, caused so much havoc for the inhabitants of the earth during the first half of the tribulation.

The Antichrist will war against the two witnesses and will succeed in killing them (v. 7). That this incident will happen after his resurrection from the dead is clear from the statement “the beast that comes up out of the abyss.” Antichrist will come back from the abyss through his resurrection by Satan. Along with his resurrection, the act of killing the two witnesses will provide another reason why people around the world will worship him. All previous attempts to kill the two witnesses will have failed because of their miraculous powers. But now their ministry is over, and God allows the Antichrist to gain control over them and to kill them. This power of the Antichrist over the two witnesses, when all others failed, will be another reason why mankind will give its allegiance to the Antichrist.

Perhaps in order to display his new power, the Antichrist will not allow the bodies to be buried. They will lie where they die in the streets of Jerusalem for all to see (vv. 8-9). The fact that the whole world is able to view the bodies indicates that such things would be possible future to John’s day. Through modern technology, this is no longer impossible to believe and has silenced many a former critic of the Scriptures. The bodies will lie in the streets of Jerusalem unburied for 3½ days.

During this time, the inhabitants of the earth will rejoice over the death of the two witnesses because of the plagues they had suffered from them (v. 10). The rejoicing extends to the point that people will give gifts to one another in an outward display of joy over the death of the two witnesses.

The rejoicing will cease suddenly. After 3½ days, the two witnesses will be resurrected and taken to heaven in the sight of all (vv. 11-12). Suddenly, fear will fall on all as they are able to observe the ascension of the two witnesses into heaven.

Jerusalem, where the murder of the two witnesses will take place and where the bodies will be displayed, will receive sudden judgment (v. 13). An earthquake will destroy one-tenth of the city, killing 7,000 inhabitants. While the Gentiles will begin to worship the Antichrist, the Jewish inhabitants of Jerusalem will give the glory to the God of Heaven. The salvation of the Jews of Jerusalem in the middle of the tribulation will eventually lead to the saving of “all Israel” at the end of that terrible time.
 
Thanks @Tall Timbers for that from Arnold. From what i understand it would appear that the beast the comes out of the abyss could be that which comes out of that same place the abyss is open in Rev 9. That is kind of the way i have always take it. But we do know there is some scene to come during the tribulation where the beast revives or is seemed to, so i understand perhaps why Arnold might make that connection.

TT do you have any insight on how Arnold describes how the Jews get back into Jerusalem at the end of the tribulation? It would seem from the midpoint on they were hunted by AC. So how do they get back to being a thriving Jerusalem by the end of the tribulation?
 
TT do you have any insight on how Arnold describes how the Jews get back into Jerusalem at the end of the tribulation? It would seem from the midpoint on they were hunted by AC. So how do they get back to being a thriving Jerusalem by the end of the tribulation?

Not all of them escape to the mountains, and the ones that remain, of course, are going to wish they had... How they survive to the end, I've no idea. It's going to be interesting.
 
Interesting speculations! All of them. But I'm still leaning toward the two who never physically died: two men of great righteousness and power-- Enoch and Elijah. In all of the years in which I have looked at this topic, through all of the arguments I have heard for everybody else, I have never heard anything that has convinced me otherwise.
 
Interesting speculations! All of them. But I'm still leaning toward the two who never physically died: two men of great righteousness and power-- Enoch and Elijah. In all of the years in which I have looked at this topic, through all of the arguments I have heard for everybody else, I have never heard anything that has convinced me otherwise.
I agree. The two witnesses to me have an added dimension. I know this is not your dimension with the two witnesses. But in light of how concrete it makes them being likely Enoch and Elijah (in my estimation), the matching language hundreds of years ago in Zechariah 4 and the sense of the two witnesses ministry, to me, is what keeps the AC at bay until their ministry is up. And they are "taken out of the way," if the drift I am implying resonates on some level. Blessings.
 
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