A Pattern of Noncompliance

Ontario’s euthanasia regulators have tracked 428 cases of possible criminal violations — and not referred a single case to law enforcement, say leaked documents.

For years, there have been clear signals that euthanasia providers in Canada may be breaking the law and getting away with it. That is the finding of the officials who are responsible for monitoring euthanasia deaths to ensure compliance in the province of Ontario. Newly uncovered reports reveal that these authorities have thus far counted over 400 apparent violations — and have kept this information from the public and not pursued a single criminal charge, even against repeat violators and “blatant” offenders.

In Canada, medical assistance in dying, or MAID, is regulated by criminal law. Practitioners must comply with federal and provincial criteria or face lengthy prison sentences. Among other requirements, they must carefully assess whether people who request euthanasia are eligible, uphold all the safeguards against abuse, and report each request and each death.

Euthanasia advocates often tout the strictness of these laws as evidence that the safeguards are working. “Like most clinicians that do this work, I’m acutely aware of what happens … if I break the rules anywhere,” says Stefanie Green, a former president of the leading organization of Canadian euthanasia practitioners, on a podcast. “There’s criminal liability sitting in the back of my head, blaring out loud and neon signs: 14 years in jail.”

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In Ontario, euthanasia regulators tracked 428 possible violations of the law and never referred a case to police

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[mattfivefour]

@Margery, do you think this is limited to Ontario? I ask because health care is primarily provincial in responsibility, but given the Trudeau government's history, I wonder if they found a way to game the system in order to help remove high-use individuals from the overloaded health care system.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

@Margery, do you think this is limited to Ontario? I ask because health care is primarily provincial in responsibility, but given the Trudeau government's history, I wonder if they found a way to game the system in order to help remove high-use individuals from the overloaded health care system.

I've been wondering that with regards to my Uncle and cousin, both of whom had cancer (different kinds) with costly treatment, were being treated by top facility(ies), the treatments suddenly "stopped working," and they died within a short time of one another. Both in Ontario.

I was thinking diluted or fake chemo/other medications, or maybe even counterfeit that the medical people weren't aware was not authentic. Or substitutions/shortages due to supply chain/manufacturing issues and someone made the decision who would live and who would die by determining who would get correct/adequate treatment.

 

[Margery]

@Margery, do you think this is limited to Ontario? I ask because health care is primarily provincial in responsibility, but given the Trudeau government's history, I wonder if they found a way to game the system in order to help remove high-use individuals from the overloaded health care system.

I'm sad to say I think this is NOT limited to Ontario, it's all across Canada. The RULES are NOT BEING FOLLOWED AT ALL!!!!

FWIW after George died, I talked with my friend in Alberta who confirmed they tried the same tactics with her dying mother to hurry her along. I spoke with someone else who said the same. My niece who works in Terrace (LPN) told me they do it all the time.

That was in March that I was talking to my Christian friends about their experiences because it was so disturbing having that woman appear at the foot of George's bed the day he died, while me and my sister in law were each talking gently to George on either side of him, saying our goodbyes.

George was unconscious. He'd only been admitted on Sunday and put up on the ward in a bed outside Emergency late Monday. This was Thursday, he was dying rapidly and this evil bureaucrat appeared saying "I'm here to help your husband get where he needs to go!" in a bright cheerful voice and big smile.

I snarled WHADDYA MEAN BY THAT? and got up out of my walker where I was sitting and she immediately started back pedaling and saying she was just trying to help send G to hospice (LIE, because the drs and I were in close contact and they didn't want him moved ANYWHERE as he would die en route) and if that wasn't to my liking that she could arrange a nice private bed down the hall (ALSO A LIE, they were full up, and again moving G was obviously going to hasten the process)

My sister in law actually helped in 2 ways- she said "It's OK Margery the lady isn't here to kill him!" which signalled to the nasty woman that Irene knew what she was up to as well, and that Irene wasn't any happier about having her brother murdered than I was. And it helped me remember that I wasn't supposed to launch my body at the woman and start killing her instead!

My niece says these types appear all the time, and the staff try to stop them but sometimes they get thru. It's so inappropriate. AND ILLEGAL.

George was unconscious. It's supposed to be illegal for family to make a decision on behalf of their unconscious relative to kill them off. DITTO any one who is no longer able to make conscious consent which includes dementia, stroke patients and anyone considered unable to make legal consent.

Family and staff are NOT ALLOWED to kill off someone unable to consent

EXCEPT THEY ARE!!!!

My friend in Alberta, her mum had a bad stroke and she was in hospital, dying over a period of a few months. Every week, several times a week in fact Terri had to shoo them off and deny their wish to kill her mother off early.

AND IT's COMING FROM THE PRIME MINISTER"S OFFICE. Trudeau's office (and Trudeau by implication) have proven ties (emails and other directives) to Veterans Affairs to push MAID on Vets struggling with PTSD to save money.

Edited to add, I can no longer find those news reports. Instead the google search is flooded with news articles of Vets who were offered MAID and Trudeau's response of shock and dismay (yeah right) that the Vet's Affairs people would do such a thing! But our media is in constant flux due to the huge bribes Trudeau pays all the MSMedia in Canada. So maybe I imagined the whole thing. Welcome to Canada Bienvenue Au Canada! Home of the giant sucking memory hole formerly known as the Canadian media!

That's all just this year.

Going back in time to 2019 when fil died

I knew something was up after my dad took MAID (2018) and a year later father in law was dying. He had less than 3 months to live (he died about 2 months after this episode) and G and I were down with Irene his sister visiting father in law when the Hospice Intake nurse was doing her interview of family. My sister in law wanted us there, for good reasons it turned out.

That woman was supposedly there to help us get some hospice care for fil as he was dying. My sister in law lived in Vancouver (she's 81 btw- she was 77 back then) and she was driving over to fil's place (assisted living) to help fil get up in the morning and then go to bed at night. We weren't asking for much and fil's GP AND his cardiologist BOTH signed off on the request for hospice stating he had 3 months or less to live. Required here in BC to access hospice care. All we wanted was a nurse once a day either morning or evening to spell off my poor sister in law.

That woman thankfully waited till fil was out of earshot, using the washroom to bring up the joys of killing off father in law. We all 3 barked NO at her and she then retaliated by denying hospice care. Which really threw the dr's because fil more than qualified. She did it so nicely, that there is no way it was connected to our refusal. Her plan to murder fil was to accept him into hospice (some where else, which wasn't necessary) and then I suppose kill him off, making sure we adhered to our agreement.

So my sister in law took care of fil morning and evening till one morning she came in to find him dead.

As I've shared before, he gave his heart to the Lord less than a week before that over the phone with me.

And btw that refusal of hospice care- making it contingent on a Death Plan in place before they took care of fil is COMPLETELY ILLEGAL under the rules but obviously it's like a lot of laws nowadays, they are quietly ignored along with anyone reporting on them.

And I've had a front row seat to watch as the rules are ignored more and more and the pressure on family grows to accept MAID or else watch their family member suffer when the sadists prove themselves by withholding care like they did with fil.

So yeah, it's bad, and worse than this report says, and the spokespersons for the program make a big song and dance about how they would NEVER do any of this, it's all a dreadful misunderstanding just like that woman at the foot of George's bed.

I want to see them all burn in hell - but only if they don't accept Christ.

If they accept Jesus, all is forgiven where I'm concerned.

But if not, then they burn in hell and I am all for heaven's justice as they fry for eternity.

May God have mercy on their souls and may they quickly find Jesus for salvation or else!

 

[Margery]

I've been wondering that with regards to my Uncle and cousin, both of whom had cancer (different kinds) with costly treatment, were being treated by top facility(ies), the treatments suddenly "stopped working," and they died within a short time of one another. Both in Ontario.

I was thinking diluted or fake chemo/other medications, or maybe even counterfeit that the medical people weren't aware was not authentic. Or substitutions/shortages due to supply chain/manufacturing issues and someone made the decision who would live and who would die by determining who would get correct/adequate treatment.

Aww sweetie, my dear sister in the Lord. I'm weeping as I'm writing this but your thoughts are not out of the realm of possibility.

It's most likely that they were given alternative meds that are supposed to work the same. Generics are one example- the hospital pharmacy is legally allowed to substitute generics even when it's proven that the generic isn't going to work as well. They do that without even involving the MAID program.

Or the wait times are so long the most vulnerable die in line.

The day George died, the same day that bureaucrat showed up to murder him, the Cancer treatment people that were supposed to be in touch with us no later than Jan 15-20th, finally showed up at his bedside to arrange for chemo. Mar 7th.

It would have been funny if it wasn't so tragic. They blamed staff shortages but I got the inside scoop from a gal I was talking to in the radiology dept. There have been so MANY cancers (and a lot of them the Turbo kind) since the vaccines, they can't keep up.

Our system was at the breaking point before Covid. The vaccines have made it impossible.

Whatever you do, don't go down the socialized medicine route. It's a fast track to death- whether on purpose thru MAID, to "relieve the pressure on the system" or just plain old failure of the system so people die in the waiting lines.

 

[Tall Timbers]

Whatever you do, don't go down the socialized medicine route. It's a fast track to death- whether on purpose thru MAID, to "relieve the pressure on the system" or just plain old failure of the system so people die in the waiting lines.

Our American VA medical system, is essentially socialized medicine. The only place where I've seen questionable antics is in the referral process. It seems across the VA they'll sit on most referrals unless it is flagged for quick action. If the patient doesn't get involved in the process the referral may sit there for months and then die.

Several times over the years I've called and asked about a referral only to be told it didn't exist. Then I'd call up the doctor and the date time stamp for when it was faxed to the VA. I'd call VA referrals back and give them the date time stamp and in about 2 seconds they'd say... oh here it is... Once you've got authorization for care the system still works pretty well, but the Veteran has to stay on top of things.

I've wondered if when a Vet has a life threatening situation, like I currently have, if the VA might sometimes work things so that the needed care isn't received in a timely manner. In my case, in this instance, I'm getting very timely care... but I've wondered.

 

[1LoverofGod]

I'm sad to say I think this is NOT limited to Ontario, it's all across Canada. The RULES are NOT BEING FOLLOWED AT ALL!!!!

FWIW after George died, I talked with my friend in Alberta who confirmed they tried the same tactics with her dying mother to hurry her along. I spoke with someone else who said the same. My niece who works in Terrace (LPN) told me they do it all the time.

That was in March that I was talking to my Christian friends about their experiences because it was so disturbing having that woman appear at the foot of George's bed the day he died, while me and my sister in law were each talking gently to George on either side of him, saying our goodbyes.

George was unconscious. He'd only been admitted on Sunday and put up on the ward in a bed outside Emergency late Monday. This was Thursday, he was dying rapidly and this evil bureaucrat appeared saying "I'm here to help your husband get where he needs to go!" in a bright cheerful voice and big smile.

I snarled WHADDYA MEAN BY THAT? and got up out of my walker where I was sitting and she immediately started back pedaling and saying she was just trying to help send G to hospice (LIE, because the drs and I were in close contact and they didn't want him moved ANYWHERE as he would die en route) and if that wasn't to my liking that she could arrange a nice private bed down the hall (ALSO A LIE, they were full up, and again moving G was obviously going to hasten the process)

My sister in law actually helped in 2 ways- she said "It's OK Margery the lady isn't here to kill him!" which signalled to the nasty woman that Irene knew what she was up to as well, and that Irene wasn't any happier about having her brother murdered than I was. And it helped me remember that I wasn't supposed to launch my body at the woman and start killing her instead!

My niece says these types appear all the time, and the staff try to stop them but sometimes they get thru. It's so inappropriate. AND ILLEGAL.

George was unconscious. It's supposed to be illegal for family to make a decision on behalf of their unconscious relative to kill them off. DITTO any one who is no longer able to make conscious consent which includes dementia, stroke patients and anyone considered unable to make legal consent.

Family and staff are NOT ALLOWED to kill off someone unable to consent

EXCEPT THEY ARE!!!!

My friend in Alberta, her mum had a bad stroke and she was in hospital, dying over a period of a few months. Every week, several times a week in fact Terri had to shoo them off and deny their wish to kill her mother off early.

AND IT's COMING FROM THE PRIME MINISTER"S OFFICE. Trudeau's office (and Trudeau by implication) have proven ties (emails and other directives) to Veterans Affairs to push MAID on Vets struggling with PTSD to save money

That's all just this year.

Going back in time to 2019 when fil died

I knew something was up after my dad took MAID (2018) and a year later father in law was dying. He had less than 3 months to live (he died about 2 months after this episode) and G and I were down with Irene his sister visiting father in law when the Hospice Intake nurse was doing her interview of family. My sister in law wanted us there, for good reasons it turned out.

That woman was supposedly there to help us get some hospice care for fil as he was dying. My sister in law lived in Vancouver (she's 81 btw- she was 77 back then) and she was driving over to fil's place (assisted living) to help fil get up in the morning and then go to bed at night. We weren't asking for much and fil's GP AND his cardiologist BOTH signed off on the request for hospice stating he had 3 months or less to live. Required here in BC to access hospice care. All we wanted was a nurse once a day either morning or evening to spell off my poor sister in law.

That woman thankfully waited till fil was out of earshot, using the washroom to bring up the joys of killing off father in law. We all 3 barked NO at her and she then retaliated by denying hospice care. Which really threw the dr's because fil more than qualified. She did it so nicely, that there is no way it was connected to our refusal. Her plan to murder fil was to accept him into hospice (some where else, which wasn't necessary) and then I suppose kill him off, making sure we adhered to our agreement.

So my sister in law took care of fil morning and evening till one morning she came in to find him dead.

As I've shared before, he gave his heart to the Lord less than a week before that over the phone with me.

And btw that refusal of hospice care- making it contingent on a Death Plan in place before they took care of fil is COMPLETELY ILLEGAL under the rules but obviously it's like a lot of laws nowadays, they are quietly ignored along with anyone reporting on them.

And I've had a front row seat to watch as the rules are ignored more and more and the pressure on family grows to accept MAID or else watch their family member suffer when the sadists prove themselves by withholding care like they did with fil.

So yeah, it's bad, and worse than this report says, and the spokespersons for the program make a big song and dance about how they would NEVER do any of this, it's all a dreadful misunderstanding just like that woman at the foot of George's bed.

I want to see them all burn in hell - but only if they don't accept Christ.

If they accept Jesus, all is forgiven where I'm concerned.

But if not, then they burn in hell and I am all for heaven's justice as they fry for eternity.

May God have mercy on their souls and may they quickly find Jesus for salvation or else!

I'm sorry you had to go through that. What's comforting is that G is in the presence of the Lord and you will see him soon, both of you in glory.
This world is under the power of the wicked one, but Praise be to God for our Lord and Savior Jesus Who is King, Who is coming and will not tarry ( Hebrews 10 :37), and He will put an end to all that is evil.
God bless you beloved and keep you filled with Joy in Him with your blessed hope.

 

[Margery]

Our American VA medical system, is essentially socialized medicine. The only place where I've seen questionable antics is in the referral process. It seems across the VA they'll sit on most referrals unless it is flagged for quick action. If the patient doesn't get involved in the process the referral may sit there for months and then die.

Several times over the years I've called and asked about a referral only to be told it didn't exist. Then I'd call up the doctor and the date time stamp for when it was faxed to the VA. I'd call VA referrals back and give them the date time stamp and in about 2 seconds they'd say... oh here it is... Once you've got authorization for care the system still works pretty well, but the Veteran has to stay on top of things.

I've wondered if when a Vet has a life threatening situation, like I currently have, if the VA might sometimes work things so that the needed care isn't received in a timely manner. In my case, in this instance, I'm getting very timely care... but I've wondered.

It took decades before our socialized medicine began to crack under the weight.

Part of the problem is that the govt outlawed any form of private health care so a lot of dr's left and that made it worse. When you can step outside the system for private care (and some provinces have introduced a bit of that- but not all) then it takes the strain off the public side, the wait lists go down, the dollars stretch further. And private health care systems keep the drs employed in the same area, the same hospitals so they are available when an emergency happens.

In BC the private system is limited- you can get orthopaedic surgery (some) thru the private system but there was a long running dispute between the federal govt and the private clinics that the govt won recently so it may have already shut down.

Long way to say the VA will probably stay reasonably honest as long as there are alternatives available but when everyone in the country is in the same publicly funded system and nobody can jump the line by going private, then everyone is equally in trouble. And that might be the saving grace for the VA. It's in America with a huge private system with multi payers, not a single payer like the govt.

 

[Tall Timbers]

Long way to say the VA will probably stay reasonably honest as long as there are alternatives available but when everyone in the country is in the same publicly funded system and nobody can jump the line by going private, then everyone is equally in trouble. And that might be the saving grace for the VA. It's in America with a huge private system with multi payers, not a single payer like the govt.

Yeah, it's a huge difference and the VA does farm us out. I'm getting the surgery at a University of Colorado Health facility, which seems to be the entity that provides the vast majority of health care here in Wyoming and in Colorado. The VA here has the staff but they lack a lot of the equipment that's needed. I'll be getting followups with both the surgeons themselves and with VA cardiologists, so I've got it pretty good right now.

I know the goal of the demonrat party has been to go to govmint single payer and we know what a step down that will be. Then care will revolve around cost and return and old folks will probably get left hung out to dry since our productive years are pretty much over by society's way of thinking.

 

[Margery]

Here is this 10 minute video put out just today by Rebel News in Canada - YouTube

at the 3:52 mark they begin to talk statistics.

Here's the scoop

Euthanasia is now the 5th Leading CAUSE OF DEATH IN CANADA!!! That happens to account for 5% of all deaths in Canada!!! Let that sink in a moment.

In some areas of Canada- Vancouver Island it accounts for 11.4 % of all deaths in the last quarter. Not 5% on Vancouver Island but 11.4% in the last quarter of the year, it is expanding. As Euthanasia always does. It has to expand to provide equality of services apparently!!!

Ezra goes on to compare Hitler's goals- eugenics that led to euthanasia in Nazi Germany for example with the current conditions here in Canada

it starts small- to "relieve suffering" by killing the sufferer instead of giving pain medication or doing necessary surgery. In people who are expected to die soon anyway. Getting the pain under control becomes too time consuming, too labour intensive- far easier and (cheaper) to kill the patient than waste precious hours setting up a pain control system that works (and adjusting it as the disease changes).

But it quickly expands to "relieve suffering" when the person isn't even suffering a fatal diagnosis. All they need is decent compassionate medical care so they can go on to live fulfilling and hopefully long healthy lives. eg the Veterans in Canada with PTSD that Trudeau's Prime Ministerial Office has been found to offer Veterans Affairs directives to push MAID on the Vets, instead of going to the trouble of treating the PTSD!!!!

edited to add I don't mean to imply the PTSD that vets suffer with isn't suffering. It is. But unlike the original definition of the Euthanasia criteria where the suffering will lead to death in the reasonably near future, it's expanded to suffering that doesn't lead to death in any reasonable view of the future.

I'm beyond angry about this, it's a betrayal of everything I was trained to do and be as an RN. It's a betrayal of the tax payers of Canada who were sold on the compassion of a single payer federal health care system so that nobody would be denied care for lack of ability to pay for it. It's a betrayal of the Vets who fought for our freedoms and put their lives on the line, so that Canadians could live free. The very Vets that they honoured on Nov 11th, the same Vets that the Prime Minister thinks should be killed (and making them consent to it first) instead of funding their PTSD treatment, giving them housing and benefits that they've EARNED!!!

 

[Margery]

It started even before the word euthanasia was being tossed around. In Canada Abortion became legal in 1969 and by a process of expansion in 1988, it became abortion on demand, a "right" that mothers everywhere were "entitled" to. As long as they killed the infant before 24 weeks.

Once that "right" to murder unborn babies was enshrined in law I recall the debates about euthanasia going on around that time, always pushing the line further and further. In 2016 it became legal and a medical option for patients requesting the "service".

My father demanded to be killed in the spring of 2018

It was spring of 2019 when the hospice intake nurse denied father in law care because we didn't agree to kill him, that was a mere 3 years since the law had passed.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

Our American VA medical system, is essentially socialized medicine. The only place where I've seen questionable antics is in the referral process. It seems across the VA they'll sit on most referrals unless it is flagged for quick action. If the patient doesn't get involved in the process the referral may sit there for months and then die.

Several times over the years I've called and asked about a referral only to be told it didn't exist. Then I'd call up the doctor and the date time stamp for when it was faxed to the VA. I'd call VA referrals back and give them the date time stamp and in about 2 seconds they'd say... oh here it is... Once you've got authorization for care the system still works pretty well, but the Veteran has to stay on top of things.

I've wondered if when a Vet has a life threatening situation, like I currently have, if the VA might sometimes work things so that the needed care isn't received in a timely manner. In my case, in this instance, I'm getting very timely care... but I've wondered.

When I got first symptoms of endometrial cancer in 2010, I went to the ER. They did a pregnancy test (negative) and then put me on the drug they now use for abortions to get the bleeding to stop (one good use for this drug). Then referred to primary care, then to the women's clinic (horrible), then finally referred out for diagnosis after complaining to the Patient Advocate. When the diagnosis came back cancer, the (St Louis VA) ER, primary care, and women's clinic fought over which had to pay for my treatment and I kept getting the run-around Meanwhile, the cancer was multiplying and growing Even the Patient Advocate couldn't help. I finally went up to the Hospital Director's office, and his Administrative Assistant (gatekeeper) sent me back down to the Patient Advocate's office. In less than an hour, I had both the authorization and consult back to the health system that had done my diagnosis. The gynecological oncologist surgeon that saw me ordered "first available" surgical date. The VA Women's Clinic was not happy paying for robotic surgery, which was over $68,000 for the surgery alone. I will always wonder if the multi-month delay between first symptoms and surgery made the difference between needing radiation or not because the pathology report after surgery showed the cancer had spread.

The gynecological oncology surgeon was like a kindly Grandpa, and absolutely stupendous From Argentina and spoke with a German accent I was back to full duty LEO 30 days after surgery, with the only limitation not pushing a car by myself


God is good


Out of curiosity for the dates all my stuff was done when I was writing my post, I looked at old records (unfortunately much I wanted to see no longer available to me on the official VA patient portal), but I did see I had some significantly out-of-range lab results around 6 months before first symptoms, and my primary care doc in St Louis, who ordered the tests, never followed up with me about them (including possible cancer) that the tests could have indicated (assuming they knew this about those hormone labs back then). My primary care had ordered the tests to verify I was post-menopausal and was offering hormone replacement therapy (HRT). I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooo happy I didn't take it, as the hormones would have fueled the cancer.


Short-cutting and doctor quality have been a big problem for a long time. The VA gynecologist (and nurses) in St Louis were horrible, and the gynecologist that used to be here was worse. Now we finally have a really good gynecologist Unfortunately, the excellent endocrinologist we had here retired, and the one that replaced her is adequate for most things, but not thyroid cancer/related, especially for female patients The current endocrinologist doesn't order all relevant labs, and tries to only prescribe one thyroid hormone. He's been trying to get me off dual therapy for a long time

The stuff my aunt saw, who worked at the old Minneapolis VA as a nurse (after being a WAC nurse in WWII)
The stuff I saw when I worked in a research lab at the old Minneapolis VA in the 1970s

Fortunately, the new Minneapolis VA hospital is mostly an excellent place to receive care, but Veterans often have to advocate for ourselves.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

The day George died, the same day that bureaucrat showed up to murder him, the Cancer treatment people that were supposed to be in touch with us no later than Jan 15-20th, finally showed up at his bedside to arrange for chemo. Mar 7th.

It would have been funny if it wasn't so tragic. They blamed staff shortages but I got the inside scoop from a gal I was talking to in the radiology dept. There have been so MANY cancers (and a lot of them the Turbo kind) since the vaccines, they can't keep up.

Our system was at the breaking point before Covid. The vaccines have made it impossible.

Whatever you do, don't go down the socialized medicine route. It's a fast track to death- whether on purpose thru MAID, to "relieve the pressure on the system" or just plain old failure of the system so people die in the waiting lines.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

They blamed staff shortages but I got the inside scoop from a gal I was talking to in the radiology dept. There have been so MANY cancers (and a lot of them the Turbo kind) since the vaccines, they can't keep up.

Our system was at the breaking point before Covid. The vaccines have made it impossible.

Which vaccine(s)?

Here, the big push, in addition to just getting the covid vaccine, is to mix-and-match, allegedly because immunity is better by getting different brands during different years. There's also social media hype about how people only getting Pfizer are vaccine snobs, etc.

I've had multiple medical people tell me IF I'm going to get one, make sure it's Pfizer, which is the one the VA here gives. People I know, who have gotten Moderna, have had all sorts of problems, while far fewer have had problems after Pfizer. FWIW, Mom got Moderna and Dad got Pfizer, and neither had any problems that I'm aware of. I had problems with Pfizer that were most likely afib-related, but never got anything other than Pfizer. One of my siblings got Johnson and Johnson (non-mRNA), but still got covid, and was sick for weeks.

The medical people tell me they're not allowed to advise against getting a covid vaccine unless there's a compelling and documented medical reason. That's the same as it's been about the flu vaccine.

 

[Tall Timbers]

Fortunately, the new Minneapolis VA hospital is mostly an excellent place to receive care, but Veterans often have to advocate for ourselves.

Yep. I learned about the need to advocate and insert myself into the process. I only do it when the care is important to me.

The VA cardiologist put in an order for O2 for me. That was before I got my surgery date. Somewhere that order Is being ignored but I think I can survive until my surgery so I'll just forget about it. We'll see if that ever gets processed. I won't need it now but if my surgery date was farther out it could have been a life saver.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

Yep. I learned about the need to advocate and insert myself into the process. I only do it when the care is important to me.

The VA cardiologist put in an order for O2 for me. That was before I got my surgery date. Somewhere that order Is being ignored but I think I can survive until my surgery so I'll just forget about it. We'll see if that ever gets processed. I won't need it now but if my surgery date was farther out it could have been a life saver.

It doesn't hurt to have it on-hand. Stuff can happen suddenly and without warning. They might also want you to have it around for awhile after surgery.

 

[Margery]

Yep. I learned about the need to advocate and insert myself into the process. I only do it when the care is important to me.

The VA cardiologist put in an order for O2 for me. That was before I got my surgery date. Somewhere that order Is being ignored but I think I can survive until my surgery so I'll just forget about it. We'll see if that ever gets processed. I won't need it now but if my surgery date was farther out it could have been a life saver.

If you can get it, do so ASAP. It may relieve strain on your body that may prevent complications before surgery. Best to do so.

Kind of important in my nurse hat opinion.

 

[Tall Timbers]

They might also want you to have it around for awhile after surgery.

By the time I wake up from surgery my body's cells should be fully oxygenated for the first time in a while. Unless things don't go well, I won't need O2 after the surgery. My heart should be working well and I'll just need to heal and regain some strength.

 

[1LoverofGod]

Which vaccine(s)?

Here, the big push, in addition to just getting the covid vaccine, is to mix-and-match, allegedly because immunity is better by getting different brands during different years. There's also social media hype about how people only getting Pfizer are vaccine snobs, etc.

I've had multiple medical people tell me IF I'm going to get one, make sure it's Pfizer, which is the one the VA here gives. People I know, who have gotten Moderna, have had all sorts of problems, while far fewer have had problems after Pfizer. FWIW, Mom got Moderna and Dad got Pfizer, and neither had any problems that I'm aware of. I had problems with Pfizer that were most likely afib-related, but never got anything other than Pfizer. One of my siblings got Johnson and Johnson (non-mRNA), but still got covid, and was sick for weeks.

The medical people tell me they're not allowed to advise against getting a covid vaccine unless there's a compelling and documented medical reason. That's the same as it's been about the flu vaccine.

The questionable thing about the Pfizer vaccine is that they had to have known something was not good about the vaccine because of what they did differently from other vaccines. They asked the FDA that they have immunity from any litigation as a result of the Covid vaccine.
That should have been a big red flag.

Edit to add

It appears Moderna did the same

You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won't compensate you for damages either

Companies like Pfizer and Moderna have total immunity from legal liability under the PREP Act if something unintentionally goes wrong with their Covid vaccines.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Margery]

Which vaccine(s)?

Here, the big push, in addition to just getting the covid vaccine, is to mix-and-match, allegedly because immunity is better by getting different brands during different years. There's also social media hype about how people only getting Pfizer are vaccine snobs, etc.

I've had multiple medical people tell me IF I'm going to get one, make sure it's Pfizer, which is the one the VA here gives. People I know, who have gotten Moderna, have had all sorts of problems, while far fewer have had problems after Pfizer. FWIW, Mom got Moderna and Dad got Pfizer, and neither had any problems that I'm aware of. I had problems with Pfizer that were most likely afib-related, but never got anything other than Pfizer. One of my siblings got Johnson and Johnson (non-mRNA), but still got covid, and was sick for weeks.

The medical people tell me they're not allowed to advise against getting a covid vaccine unless there's a compelling and documented medical reason. That's the same as it's been about the flu vaccine.

Here in Canada the 2 vaccines available for most people were Pfizer and Moderna. Moderna has the highest complication rate, maybe because of a much higher concentration of active ingredients. Pfizer's was less of a dose and the complications seemed to increase with the increase in concentration.

I wouldn't have it if you can get away with saying no to it, even Pfizer due to the Afib problems.

My cardiologist didn't tell me directly that the Moderna booster gave me the PVC's that I was bothered by or the sudden worsening of the MS like symptoms I struggle with but the arrythmia happened in Jan of 23 less than a month after the Moderna booster. The MS stuff intensified in April of 23. The cardiologist recommended I never get another Covid shot. He was risking his career to say that much. Thankfully the arrythmia is slowly disappearing, and almost gone except when I'm over tired. The neurological damage is not as bad as it was but I'm still worse than I was before that booster. I won't be getting any more of those new type Vaccines or anything that even might have contamination with the new mRNA process.

George died a year later with a cancer that suddenly appeared out of nowhere and went from "we think it's just started, it hasn't spread anywhere else except a spot on the liver possibly" in early January (when they said the chemo people would be in touch within a couple of weeks) but by February the 14th they said "it's spread all over, its in your bones, it's everywhere, but we should still be able to fight it with chemo" and Mar 7 he was dead. I think it qualifies as a "turbo" cancer.

The death rate all around the globe is up since the vaccines. Like REALLY up. Insanely up. And it correlates to the countries with access to the mRNA vaccines- Pfizer and Moderna. I've been following this guy since Covid started up. He's careful what he says so the YouTube thought police don't get him. But he's giving the stats. Watch it before they take it down. - YouTube Like I said, he's careful how he words things so he doesn't get a strike so you have to read between the lines in places.