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A Few Words on Baptism

mattfivefour

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A Few Words on Baptism

I am not wanting to start an argument with anybody. However, as a pastor I do want to correctly divide the Word of God so that people may be properly instructed—not by interpretation but by the actual meaning of the words that God inspired the writers to use. After all, 2 Timothy 3:16 tells us that all Scripture is literally God-breathed (theopneustos) … and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that the man or woman of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work. Therefore, this is a topic I need to deal with.

First things first— according to Scripture baptism is not necessary for salvation. So I am often puzzled why some churches require it for membership? That said, baptism is a step of obedience. And the New Testament would seem to teach that all believers took that first step of obedience. Therefore my question is: why would a person not WANT to be obedient to Christ? Christ commanded it. As I said, it is not a part of salvation for we are saved by faith alone; but it is a personal sign that we have consciously and knowingly committed our lives to Christ. Indeed, it is a sign that we want to be obedient to Christ, rather than do what WE want?

As to infant baptism— baptism is a step of faith that one takes following salvation to publicly identify with Jesus Christ in his death, burial and resurrection. If somebody can explain to me how an infant in arms can made such a decision, I could accept infant baptism as fulfilling the requirements of the act. But nobody is able to do that. Thus, baptism cannot be effectual in a baby, as it requires a conscious decision by the one being baptized. Nobody can make that decision for another; not even for a precious child.

There are a few ministers who not only believe it is acceptable to baptize infants, but that sprinkling is the means to use in baptizing. Using dictionary definitions they go through great lengths to justify their views. But scripture indicates baptism is only effectual in a saved person as a result of their confession of faith in Christ. And Greek literature of that time makes it clear that baptism has to mean a complete immersion. The root word baptizo means to dip. If the Holy Spirit had wanted to convey the idea of sprinkling, He would have used the word rhantizo. But baptizo means to fully submerge. For example, the word baptizo is used of dying fabric by plunging it into a vat of dye. It is used of getting wine from a vat by dipping a ladle into the vat. It is used of filling a jug of water by submerging it in a stream or a well. Metaphorically, Plato, in his Euthydemus (277 BC), uses the word to describe being buried by questions. And in a letter written about 153 BC, preserved in the Paris Papyri collection, it is used of someone being submerged (overwhelmed) by troubles. All of these sources would negate the arguments of those who justify sprinkling as being the meaning of baptism.

Baptism clearly means to be literally buried: which is what Paul says in Romans 6:4 and Colossians 2:12. Scripture tells us that it represents our death, burial and resurrection in Christ. When a person dies we do not sprinkle dirt on their head. Their entire body is buried. Lazarus was buried in a tomb, until he was resurrected and Jesus called him forth. When we go under the waters of baptism, we thus symbolize our own death to the old nature, the burial of our old life, and our resurrection to newness of life.

I hope this helps somebody today
 
I absolutely agree I was baptized by immersion at 7 years old with my mom, dad, and brother in a Baptist Church, and I understand it doesn't wash away our sins only the blood does that. As an adult i wanted to be baptized again in a Baptist Church, and I was at 34 years olds. A person first needs to accept the gift of salvation which is Jesus.
 
I was raised in a Methodist Church in a big city, my dad’s family were Methodist. I was sprinkled, UMC baptism, as an infant. I was confirmed in the Church at 13. At 14 my parents divorced, when my dad left he had no relationship with me for 11 years.

My dad forced me to go to church even if I was sick. If I said I didn’t feel like going or want to go, I got an old fashioned butt whipping, and was made to go.

As a young kid and teenager this caused me to decide early on, if or when I get out from under this rule, I’m not gonna go to church. After my dad left I quit going to church. I became a prodigal son for at least the next 11 years.

When I was with my mom’s parents sometimes I would go to church, they were Baptists. My maternal grandparents went to a Primitive Baptist Church in a small Georgia town. They always respectfully and kindly asked me if I wanted to go.

My maternal grandfather had always been more of a caring father figure to me anyway. My grandmother was the sweetest Christian woman I’d ever met. She read and studied her Bible everyday, she prayed often. Going to the Baptist Church with them was were I first became aware of full immersion baptism. I still didn’t understand the need for it. During these church visits with my grandparents I felt a love that was different than what I’d been raised with. Seeds were planted.
 
My mother's family that I had any knowledge of were Landmark Baptist, I grew up Southern Baptist; the Baptist Church in America split along the Mason Dixon Line during the Civil War.

I was baptized in a swimming pool when I was about twelve, I don't count that one. At that time I answered an altar call when I saw many in the church building weeping, I walked to the pastor and he said, A little child shall lead them. 🙂

On Church membership, that is totally unscriptural.
 
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I absolutely agree I was baptized by immersion at 7 years old with my mom, dad, and brother in a Baptist Church, and I understand it doesn't wash away our sins only the blood does that. As an adult i wanted to be baptized again in a Baptist Church, and I was at 34 years olds. A person first needs to accept the gift of salvation which is Jesus.
Oh my dear you are so very right. I have been baptized three times. In all the churches I went to not one told me about Jesus. One church baptized me and then said I was a member of the church. I didn't know the bible or anything about Jesus but they made me a Sunday School teacher, believe it or not, teaching the pastor's son. I couldn't read the Bible so I made learning a game. I would find a scripture and tell the children to go home and study it and come back next Sunday and we would play a game. When they came back my job was to tell them they had to find the scripture in the room hidden somewhere. If they memorized it then they would look hard for it but if it wasn't the scripture they found then they would be wrong. I told them to study then they would know what to look for. I taped it to the sole of my shoe and then crossed my legs so they would see it. They looked everywhere. Finally, after a long time one student found it and saw it on the bottom of my shoe and it was that verse and they were rewarded. When it got warm outside then we went outside and I hid it in a place they would have a hard time finding it. They loved the game and when the Pastor asked his son what he had learned, when he got home, he would quote the scripture. The pastor thought that was great. I love children and working with children. They are so curious and to make it a game makes it more fun. It isn't for work for them.
 
After my family split up when I was young and they all started going back church they all went back to different Southern Baptist churches.

When I started going back to church I wanted to be baptized in the Baptist Church and I was Baptized by immersion in the church baptismal pool.
 
Oh my dear you are so very right. I have been baptized three times. In all the churches I went to not one told me about Jesus. One church baptized me and then said I was a member of the church. I didn't know the bible or anything about Jesus but they made me a Sunday School teacher, believe it or not, teaching the pastor's son. I couldn't read the Bible so I made learning a game. I would find a scripture and tell the children to go home and study it and come back next Sunday and we would play a game. When they came back my job was to tell them they had to find the scripture in the room hidden somewhere. If they memorized it then they would look hard for it but if it wasn't the scripture they found then they would be wrong. I told them to study then they would know what to look for. I taped it to the sole of my shoe and then crossed my legs so they would see it. They looked everywhere. Finally, after a long time one student found it and saw it on the bottom of my shoe and it was that verse and they were rewarded. When it got warm outside then we went outside and I hid it in a place they would have a hard time finding it. They loved the game and when the Pastor asked his son what he had learned, when he got home, he would quote the scripture. The pastor thought that was great. I love children and working with children. They are so curious and to make it a game makes it more fun. It isn't for work for them.
Before you were baptized none of the pastors asked you if you had received Jesus as your personal Savior? The reason I was baptized twice is because I wasn't sure if I really understood at age 7 so I wanted to be sure as an adult. I can't believe pastors would baptize you without making sure you say a prayer to accept Jesus into your heart.
 
Before you were baptized none of the pastors asked you if you had received Jesus as your personal Savior? The reason I was baptized twice is because I wasn't sure if I really understood at age 7 so I wanted to be sure as an adult. I can't believe pastors would baptize you without making sure you say a prayer to accept Jesus into your heart.
No, not one of them. And I never heard a single preacher in any of those three churches preach on Jesus or salvation. And I'm not the only one. Pastor Jimmy Evans had similar experiences before he was saved. Unbelievable! If it had not been for Billy Graham and one of the movies he made I would still be lost.
 
No, not one of them. And I never heard a single preacher in any of those three churches preach on Jesus or salvation. And I'm not the only one. Pastor Jimmy Evans had similar experiences before he was saved. Unbelievable! If it had not been for Billy Graham and one of the movies he made I would still be lost.
All preachers should be speaking of salvation. The reason I like the Baptist church is they gave altar calls the ones I have been in. Also, they baptize the way Jesus was by immersion which represents the death, burial, and resurrection. They also spoke of the rapture. So glad you heard the message of salvation by Billy Graham. :bighug:
 
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