We Can’t Debate Our Way Out of This

[Andy C]

The real meaning of Charlie Kirk’s murder.
By Daniel Greenfield

Charlie Kirk died for the same cause that David Horowitz was assaulted for, that Robert Spencer was banned for, and that Ben Shapiro faced bomb threats for: free speech on campus.

In an academic environment where a respected 74-year-old scholar like Charles Murray could be physically assaulted at a college while the perpetrators walked away with a ‘mark’ on their permanent record, the willingness of conservatives to appear on campus was an act of courage.

To do it the way that Charlie Kirk did was sheer heroism. There’s no question that he made an impact on a minority of students and there’s also no question that the majority of campuses, professors and students only became more hostile to free speech since his campaign began.

The numbers are sadly clear and they’ve only been getting worse over the years.

1 in 3 students support using violence to silence opposing speakers. 7 out of 10 want to shout down controversial speakers like those who oppose the transgender and BLM movements.

The vast majority of students do not want to debate. They want to silence any opposition.

We are not going to debate our way out of this because you can’t debate those who not only don’t want to listen, but those who are determined to shut you up any way that they can.

You can’t debate those who want to shout you down unless you shout even louder. You can’t debate those who mob and beat you. And you certainly can’t debate those who shoot at you.

We Can’t Debate Our Way Out of This - Rapture Forums

Like Martin Luther King, Charlie Kirk went on campuses to challenge, debate, and call out an oppressive system.

www.raptureforums.com

 

[Cheeky200386]

The real meaning of Charlie Kirk’s murder.
By Daniel Greenfield

Charlie Kirk died for the same cause that David Horowitz was assaulted for, that Robert Spencer was banned for, and that Ben Shapiro faced bomb threats for: free speech on campus.

In an academic environment where a respected 74-year-old scholar like Charles Murray could be physically assaulted at a college while the perpetrators walked away with a ‘mark’ on their permanent record, the willingness of conservatives to appear on campus was an act of courage.

To do it the way that Charlie Kirk did was sheer heroism. There’s no question that he made an impact on a minority of students and there’s also no question that the majority of campuses, professors and students only became more hostile to free speech since his campaign began.

The numbers are sadly clear and they’ve only been getting worse over the years.

1 in 3 students support using violence to silence opposing speakers. 7 out of 10 want to shout down controversial speakers like those who oppose the transgender and BLM movements.

The vast majority of students do not want to debate. They want to silence any opposition.

We are not going to debate our way out of this because you can’t debate those who not only don’t want to listen, but those who are determined to shut you up any way that they can.

You can’t debate those who want to shout you down unless you shout even louder. You can’t debate those who mob and beat you. And you certainly can’t debate those who shoot at you.

We Can’t Debate Our Way Out of This - Rapture Forums

Like Martin Luther King, Charlie Kirk went on campuses to challenge, debate, and call out an oppressive system.

www.raptureforums.com

Where do we go from here? Sharing the Gospel, fasting and praying for more souls to get saved. Voting in local and national elections, living for Christ every day. Apart from that, I'm not sure.

 

[Margery]

Where do we go from here? Sharing the Gospel, fasting and praying for more souls to get saved. Voting in local and national elections, living for Christ every day. Apart from that, I'm not sure.

I think that is a great "to do" list.

Lines up with Scripture. We can't force people to change, we can only pray, send and preach as the opportunity rises. We can vote prayerfully and leave God in charge of the outcomes.

Fulfill the Great Commission: pray, send missionaries, and preach/teach into people's lives around us.

Live a quiet godly life of example. I was startled in a nice way when my nephew gave his heart to the Lord, and called to tell me. He said that George and I were part of that process when he compared us to unbelievers in the family.

Fulfill your civic duties prayerfully. Pay your taxes, vote, pray for your leaders. Leave the outcome up to God.

 

[Cheeky200386]

I think that is a great "to do" list.

Lines up with Scripture. We can't force people to change, we can only pray, send and preach as the opportunity rises. We can vote prayerfully and leave God in charge of the outcomes.

Fulfill the Great Commission: pray, send missionaries, and preach/teach into people's lives around us.

Live a quiet godly life of example. I was startled in a nice way when my nephew gave his heart to the Lord, and called to tell me. He said that George and I were part of that process when he compared us to unbelievers in the family.

Fulfill your civic duties prayerfully. Pay your taxes, vote, pray for your leaders. Leave the outcome up to God.

That’s amazing and encouraging to hear. I pray that my life and marriage will draw my lost siblings to Jesus Christ.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

The only way to fight an idea/ideology is with another idea/ideology.

satan and his minions are trying to destroy Christianity/Bible with "palatable," "reasonable-sounding" (evil/anti-Biblical) ideas/ideologies.


6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
11 To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
1 Peter 5:6-11, KJV

27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matthew 10:27-28, KJV

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
Ephesians 6:10, KJV

11 And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:
12 For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
Luke 12:11-12, KJV

12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.
15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.
16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
1 Peter 4:12-19, KJV

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 5:10-16, KJV

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 28:18-20, KJV

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Acts 1:6-11, KJV