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Tim Kaine Raises Eyebrows On Capitol Hill For Arguing Rights Come From The Government, Not God

Tim Kaine, a Democratic senator from Virginia and former vice presidential candidate, raised eyebrows on Capitol Hill Wednesday after he said the belief that human rights come from God and not government is “extremely troubling.”

Kaine, Hillary Clinton’s running mate in 2016, even compared the view that human rights are granted from God to the ideology of Iran’s hardline Islamist government.

“The notion that rights don’t come from laws and don’t come from the government, but come from the Creator—that’s what the Iranian government believes,” Kaine said during a Senate Foreign Relations Committee nomination hearing. “It’s a theocratic regime that bases its rule on Sharia law and targets Sunnis, Bahá’ís, Jews, Christians and other religious minorities.

“And they do it because they believe that they understand what natural rights are from their Creator. So the statement that our rights do not come from our laws or our governments is extremely troubling.”

Later, Kaine, who identifies as a Roman Catholic, seemed to say that he believes in the concept of natural rights, but that people of different belief systems would disagree on what those rights are.

His comments came during a confirmation hearing for Riley Barnes, a former State Department official who has been tapped to serve as assistant secretary of state for democracy, human rights and labor. During the hearing, Barnes stated that he agreed with Secretary of State Marco Rubio that America’s founders believed “all men are created equal because our rights come from God, our Creator—not from our laws, not from our governments.”

His statement drew the ire of Kaine, which led Barnes to explain that he was drawing from the Declaration of Independence, which speaks of people “‘endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights’ … These rights, that are inherent in human dignity, predate that law.”

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), said he walked into the hearing as Kaine was speaking and “almost fell out of my chair, because that ‘radical and dangerous notion’—in his words—is literally the founding principle upon which the United States of America was created.”

Tony Perkins, president of the Washington, D.C.-based Family Research Council, said Kaine’s view that rights come from human government is more fitting for communist China than the U.S.

“Either Sen. Kaine doesn’t know his history or he’s pandering to the godless left. To look at the predecessors of Sen. Kaine in Virginia who were instrumental in writing, for instance, the Declaration of Independence—you have Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, George Mason—all recognizing that our rights come from God. What Thomas Jefferson wrote as the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence would have to be totally changed to accommodate Sen. Kaine’s views. It would have to read something like ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal and they are endowed by their government bureaucrats with certain limited rights.

“A United States senator advocating that our rights come from government—what that means is, government can take away what it chooses, which is consistent with many of the policies that are being advocated on the left.” For example, if government can define what male or female means or what constitutes a human being, basic human rights become arbitrary, Perkins said.

“It’s a very, very dangerous philosophy or ideology.”

Dan Darling, director of the Land Center for Cultural Engagement at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and author of a new book on patriotism and Christianity, said Kaine’s comments “reflect a fundamental misunderstanding of the American experiment.”

“The founders understood that true liberty and freedom come not at the whim of government, but people are ‘endowed by their Creator’ with such ‘unalienable rights.’ This important phrase in the Declaration of Independence is at the heart of ordered liberty. The government is delegated much power by God, but has no right over the conscience. Our basic freedoms are not invented by governments, but gifts from God that governments should respect and not trample.”

“What’s more,” added Darling, “Sen. Kaine’s seeming allergy to this language demonstrates the way in which secularism has eroded the basic understanding of American democracy, which seeks neither a state church nor a purging of Christianity from the public square. We should be grateful for men like Riley Barnes, who understand the source of our freedoms and the duty he is undertaking to help protect them.”

Andrew Walker, ethics and public theology professor at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, also responded to Kaine on X.

“What an unhinged exchange,” Walker wrote. “@timkaine smeared my friend Riley Barnes as an Ayatollah-like theocrat simply because Riley believes rights come from God—which is what our founders taught and our Declaration declares. By that logic, Kaine must be a communist—since he thinks rights come from the state.”

 
Our government - and every other government - are totally flawed and corrupt...... ours, on both sides of the aisle. Why??
Because governments have been set up by man, based on our very limited human view. It's kind of like the Tower of Babel...... man thought he knew better than God, and that they could attain becoming their own gods. Man, has humankind come full circle!
The hammer fell on the people of Babylon, and it's about to fall again. Buckle up...... bumpy road ahead.
 
Our government - and every other government - are totally flawed and corrupt...... ours, on both sides of the aisle. Why??
Because governments have been set up by man, based on our very limited human view. It's kind of like the Tower of Babel...... man thought he knew better than God, and that they could attain becoming their own gods. Man, has humankind come full circle!
The hammer fell on the people of Babylon, and it's about to fall again. Buckle up...... bumpy road ahead.
It goes back even further than Babylon.
It started in the Garden of Eden when satan said,
"Did God really say?..." Genesis 3:1

When humans believe they know better than God, it's the definition of pride, and pride is what led to satan's fall because he believes he can do better than God, and as you said, humans have bought into the lie that originated with the father of the lie, that humans can be like God, as Genesis 3 continues ...


2 The woman answered the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden,
3 but about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You must not eat of it or touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent told the woman.
5 “For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
Genesis 3:2-5


This tells it like it is........

Rejection of God's Sovereignty


The concept of God's sovereignty is central to the biblical narrative, emphasizing God's supreme authority and power over all creation. Rejection of this sovereignty is a recurring theme throughout Scripture, often leading to dire consequences for individuals and nations.

1. Adam and Eve (Genesis 3): The first act of rejecting God's sovereignty is found in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve's decision to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, despite God's explicit command, represents humanity's initial rebellion against divine authority. This act of disobedience brought sin and death into the world, altering the course of human history.

2. Tower of Babel (Genesis 11:1-9): Humanity's attempt to build a tower reaching the heavens was a direct challenge to God's sovereignty. By seeking to make a name for themselves and avoid being scattered, the people of Babel rejected God's command to fill the earth. In response, God confused their language and dispersed them, demonstrating His ultimate control over human affairs.

3. Israel's Demand for a King (1 Samuel 8): The Israelites' request for a king to rule over them, "like all the other nations," was seen as a rejection of God's kingship. Despite warnings from the prophet Samuel about the consequences of such a decision, the people persisted. God granted their request, leading to a monarchy that often strayed from His commandments.

New Testament Insights

1. Pharisees and Religious Leaders (Matthew 23): The religious leaders of Jesus' time often rejected His authority, clinging to their interpretations of the law and traditions. Jesus rebuked them for their hypocrisy and failure to recognize God's sovereignty manifested in Him. Their rejection culminated in the crucifixion of Christ, an act that paradoxically fulfilled God's sovereign plan for salvation.

2. The Rich Young Ruler (Mark 10:17-22): This encounter illustrates personal rejection of God's sovereignty. The young man, despite his adherence to the commandments, could not submit to Jesus' call to sell his possessions and follow Him. His attachment to wealth revealed a heart unwilling to fully surrender to God's authority.

Theological Implications

Rejection of God's sovereignty is fundamentally an issue of the heart, manifesting in pride, self-reliance, and disobedience. Scripture consistently portrays such rejection as folly, leading to spiritual and often physical ruin. Proverbs 16:18 warns, "Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall."

Consequences and Warnings

The Bible provides numerous warnings about the consequences of rejecting God's sovereignty. Romans 1:21-23 describes how humanity's refusal to honor God leads to futile thinking and darkened hearts. This rejection results in God giving them over to their sinful desires, illustrating the peril of living outside His sovereign will.

Call to Submission

Despite humanity's tendency to reject God's sovereignty, Scripture calls believers to submit to His authority. James 4:7 exhorts, "Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." Acknowledging God's sovereignty brings peace, guidance, and the assurance of His perfect plan for our lives.

Conclusion

The rejection of God's sovereignty is a theme that underscores the need for humility and obedience. Throughout the Bible, God demonstrates His authority and invites humanity to trust in His sovereign will, offering redemption and restoration to those who turn to Him.


The good news it that Jesus is coming again to set all things straight, to bring an end to earthly kingdoms that have ruined the earth and have deceived the world to its doom.
Jesus, The King of Kings and Lord of Lords will set up God's Kingdom and He will reign with an Iron Rod in Righteousness.
Revelation 19:17-21
Revelation 2:27
Daniel 2:44

"He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.”
Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!" 🙏
Revelation 22:20
 
When rights come from the State - that very State can take them away even easier.

When rights come from God, and most of the culture is actually a Bible believing Christian or at least thinks on the same lines, it is impossible for a state to remove the rights of a human being.

When the culture slides into godlessness, then the State is free to do as it pleases.

It is why Hitler dehumanized the Jews, because he had to "prove" they weren't human beings with human rights. He was bypassing the consciences of the Lutheran and Catholic Christians of Germany. He said they weren't really people, so it was ok to exterminate them. Hitler used the same argument in order to kill off "useless eaters", the mentally ill, the special needs children, the ill, the elderly and finally anyone who got in his way. Good German citizens turned their heads, averted their eyes, and sang louder to drown out the Jewish cries for help. It started with the Jews, and ended up with anyone found on the wrong side of the Nazi machine.

It is the underlying argument behind MAID in Canada. If we euthanize dogs, humans are just another "animal". They are no longer seen as made in God's image.

It's the argument for abortion- it's not really a human until .... it can live when born (6-7 months) ..till around 12-16 weeks when the mother feels the baby kick, ... until it has a heartbeat-- that is 22 days after conception... until the developing HUMAN burrows into the wall of the womb (6-12 days after conception) When in that process of development does it go from just a bunch of cells into a human? Does that cell cluster ever turn into a horse or a guinea pig? Never. A baby is a baby from the moment it is conceived, when it's mother's egg and fathers sperm cells unite and begin the process of a new human life. When do people stop being human? When they are old, ill, mentally ill, inconvenient to the State?

And it is an area that is coming up in the news regarding the treatment of those detained by ICE.

The fundamental question becomes if they are not an American citizen do they have any rights at all? Under the law?

Because Constitutional rights are only for citizens. And those detained by ICE don't have rights under the law because they are illegals. Or the ICE agent involved thinks they are in the States illegally.

I would argue they have human rights, and the ICE agents have a duty of care the same as any other prisoner.

I get why they are denied the right to a phone call that can give them access to family or friends but that is turning out to be a bit of a nightmare for those borderline cases that hit our news in the last few months. It slows the process down but it may prevent injustice to legal American citizens and mistreatment for those here illegally. Or tourists caught up in a nightmare.

Fabian Schmidt who is a lawful green card holder was detained for 2 months and it took lawyers, a boatload of money and a lot of hard work to get him out. Mothers packed 20 to a room with their small children and babies, denied access to a phone to call a relative or a lawyer to even let them know why they went missing -another recent green card holder btw. People with health problems denied access to medical care. Wealthy German teenagers touring the globe. An Australian policewoman married to a US serviceman stationed in Hawaii visiting him on her holiday. They all ended up in detainment that lasted from 2 months down to a few days. There are 2 sides to every story but it is all too easy and convenient to treat people badly if they don't have help from anyone, anywhere. And nobody knows where they went.

Alligator Alcatraz is a deterrent but it is also ripe for potential abuse of human beings, even the worst of them. What happens to the ones who aren't the worst, but just accidentally got caught up in the system? If there isn't anyone listening to them in Alligator Alcatraz and they die in there is anyone responsible? Will their families ever know what happened and why? Do they have a right to know?

If Riley Barnes is confirmed she holds a very key belief to prevent such abuses. That all people are created by God who is also the One who gave them human rights.

during a confirmation hearing for Riley Barnes, a former State Department official who has been tapped to serve as assistant secretary of state for democracy, human rights and labor. During the hearing, Barnes stated that he agreed with Secretary of State Marco Rubio that America’s founders believed “all men are created equal because our rights come from God, our Creator—not from our laws, not from our governments.”

His statement drew the ire of Kaine, which led Barnes to explain that he was drawing from the Declaration of Independence, which speaks of people “‘endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights’ … These rights, that are inherent in human dignity, predate that law.”

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), said he walked into the hearing as Kaine was speaking and “almost fell out of my chair, because that ‘radical and dangerous notion’—in his words—is literally the founding principle upon which the United States of America was created.”
I hope Riley Barnes gets in because it's not just in the US constitution- the idea of human rights given by God, it's reflected in the Gettysburg address by Abraham Lincoln (another Republican who believed that all men are created equal)

The ideas Lincoln expressed reiterate the US Constitution. Lincoln's speech CONFIRMS the underlying beliefs in God as Creator, and giver of Rights.

Here is the Bliss text of the Gettysburg Address.

I've bolded a bit.

Note the founding fathers and Lincoln both express that all men are created equal. And the underlying concept of a Creator. All men created equal. Implies a Creator!

"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863

Abraham Lincoln's fight against slavery- the treatment of black people as property without human rights. Brought over against their will. Sold by other blacks in Africa who didn't like their tribe. Sold by muslim slave traders. Bred by their owners. Treated as non human.

It was Christians and Republicans who ended that abuse in the US Civil War!

It is still an issue today and it must continue to be fought by the Republican party of which Riley Barnes is part. Fundamental human rights. For the unborn, for the aged and infirm, transcending race, religion, skin colour, who they vote for. For human beings.

Kaine and the others who argue that the State is the only giver of rights, will end up taking rights away from everyone but those few who agree with them on their issues. The only reason they wanted illegal migration was to provide an ignorant voter base who could vote illegally, for the people that brought them in. They'll target the right wing as unfit for rights.

Trans Gender politics that trample women's rights, the rights of parents to home school or refuse vaccinations, the rights of Christians to go to church even in a pandemic if they choose, the rights of bakers to refuse bake a wedding cake that violates their religious beliefs.

It only really becomes an issue when it's someone's rights that you don't like, that you want gone. An inconvenient pregnancy, an expensive patient whose care is burdening the family or the State who would prefer they die faster. A race of people that are hated for no particular reason except God chose them. Or their skin colour. Someone who votes for Trump.

I get why it's a Republican issue to get illegal immigrants out of the country. Dems won't do it. That is their (illegal) voter base.

That is a rights issue too. Rights for the citizens. Illegal migrants DON'T have a right to stay- or vote.

They should have a right to let someone know where they are though. Someone who can help their case if they are a green card holder, or an American born citizen or a tourist living a nightmare.


Criminal illegal migrants should be the first focus and ICE must be allowed to do their jobs, but also making sure that legal residents along with hapless tourists aren't caught in the net and denied their rights as human beings.

Hopefully someone like Riley with the necessary moral fibre can balance the complicated issues on both sides.
 
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