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Repentance for fallen angels? Pember says 'Maybe...'

RonJohnSilver

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I'm reading George H. Pember's 'Earth's Earliest Ages' now and I came across this thought, that possibly there might have been the opportunity for the fallen angels, and even Satan, to repent and be restored. Interesting. That thought had never occurred to me but I want to share his logic and thoughts and see what all of you think. The relevant Bible passages are Psalm 82 and John 12:31 and the Parable of the Evil Husbandmen in Matthew 21. The emphasis and underlining is mine.

Sorry for the length but I want to lay out his complete line of reasoning. Here's the text from the Bible and book...

Psalms 82:1 God presides in the divine assembly; He renders judgment among the gods:

2 “How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked?

3 Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless; uphold the rights of the afflicted and oppressed.

4 Rescue the weak and needy; save them from the hand of the wicked.

5 They do not know or understand; they wander in the darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

6 I have said, ‘You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.'

7 But like mortals you will die, and like rulers you will fall.”

8 Arise, O God, judge the earth, for all the nations are Your inheritance.

(Pember) The psalm thus falls into four paragraphs, the first of which represents the Almighty as standing among the
angelic rulers of this world, and charging them with their folly. The 'gods' of the second line are angels- in
this case, of course, fallen angels.... In the third and fourths verses we seem to discern a wondrous unveiling
of the love of God. Not only over the fallen race of Adam has He yearned, no, He has offered space for
repentance, and would have shown grace, to the sinning angels also. We are reminded of those
mysterious words which the Lord uttered, just after the voice from heaven had resounded through the
Temple-"Now is the judgment of this world; now shall the Prince of this World be cast out!" (John 12) For
it would seem as though the irrevocable decree, fixing the doom of the 'world rulers of darkness' had
only then gone forth, and the ears of the Lord had, as it were, caught the thunder of the closing gates
of mercy, which up to that time had stood open even for Satan and the spiritual hosts of wickedness.


Possibly it was their hostility to the incarnate Son of God which filled up the measure of their iniquity: so that
to them, as well as to the Jews, the parable of the Husbandman might have applied. They had refused
to the great Creator the fruits of His earth which had been committed to their care: they had rejected
merciful pleadings such as our Psalms discloses: and finally, as soon as they saw the Son entering their realm,
they destroyed whatever hope might have remained to them by crying: "This is the Heir! Come, let us kill
Him that the inheritance may be ours."

The fifth verse shows that the Lord had already seen the end. He declares that His remonstrance is vain, they
will not listen. According their sentence follows, and its terms should have prevented that vague
interpretation of the Psalms which has been content to refer it to merely human rulers. Not to those who
are called into existence under mortal conditions are these words addressed, but to beings who from the
earliest hour of their life have rejoiced in the immortality of the sons of God. Nevertheless, because they have
sinned and fallen from their first estate, they also must come under the law of sin and death.
Like the ephemeral children of Adam they shall perish, and fall like one of the short-lived princes of Earth.

This sentence has not yet been carried out: it will be so apparently, when Satan is bound and cast for a
thousand years into the abyss. (END).

So, that's the relevant portions of the text. What do you think? Is redemption, in fact, possible, even now, for
Satan and his hosts? Wow. I'm not convinced but it's an intriguing thought. I'm interested to hear your
opinions.
 
I never really thought about this, but the question was asked to Jack Kelley:

Question: Recently, our bible study leader talked about the rebellion of angels (Satan in particular) that started the disorder of God’s peace, and of them being cast out as a result. He mentioned that both angels and humans have free will to serve God, a choice to either be for God or against Him. My question is, can fallen angels ask for God’s forgiveness and be restored to their former position with Him? Is it possible for them to repent and be forgiven just like humans?

Answer: Although Colossians 1:19-20 tells us that because of the cross, God was able to reconcile Himself to all things, whether in Heaven or on Earth, the Bible doesn’t reveal any plan of redemption for angels, nor does it describe such a thing ever happening. Therefore if there is a plan to redeem angels, we’re not privileged to know it.

What the Bible does say is that Jesus became a man to save mankind. The writer of Hebrews tells us His death applies only to mankind and specifically excludes angels.

For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants. For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people (Hebrews 2:16-17).

By the way, lest you think this verse is only about Israel, in Galatians 3:26-29 Paul said whether we’re Jew or Gentile by birth, if we belong to Christ we are Abraham’s seed (descendant) and heirs according to the promise.

 
Although Colossians 1:19-20 tells us that because of the cross, God was able to reconcile Himself to all things, whether in Heaven or on Earth, the Bible doesn’t reveal any plan of redemption for angels, nor does it describe such a thing ever happening. Therefore if there is a plan to redeem angels, we’re not privileged to know it.

My thoughts are the fallen angels will all have a place in the Lake of Fire eventually. That said, I'm content to not know if any angels can be saved from their fallen state because the Bible doesn't appear to address that topic.
 
Respectfully, I think Mr Pember is mistaken about the identities of the "God's" referred to in this psalm. He identified them as angels because the Hebrew word used for them is elohim, which means both God and "gods". When the context dictates it is used of gods, then it refers to the false gods and idols of the pagans. But it is also clearly used in Scripture to refer to rulers on earth, such as leaders and judges. For example, God tells Moses that he is "like God (elohim) to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet." And in Exodus 21:6 and 22:8-9, God speaks to the judges on earth, but addresses them as Elohim (gods).

Why was Moses told he was like god? Why were the judges in Israel addressed as gods? It was not because they were gods; it was because they were in the position of God in regard to those under them, for they held the power of life or death, freedom or confinement, grace or punishment. This is why God remonstrated with them so severely-- "How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked?" (v 2)
He had appointed them to care for His people --“Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless; uphold the rights of the afflicted and oppressed. Rescue the weak and needy; save them from the hand of the wicked“ (vv3-4)-- yet they were not caring for them. They were rejoicing in their power, position and prestige and not placing the good of the people as their chief purpose. They thought they were special because of their position. This is why God said to them "You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High. But like mortals you will die, and like rulers you will fall." (vv6-7) God is telling them that despite their position, they are no better than any other human being and will die like one. Their current exalted status will not protect them or provide them with some exalted fate.

When you re-examine this psalm with this understanding, you can see what it is telling us, very clearly.

And frankly, if Satan and the angels will be brought to repentance, then every single sinner who has ever lived on the face of this earth will be saved. Hell will be temporary and no one will suffer forever. There is actually a doctrine that claims this: it is called Universalism. And it is a gross theological error that flies in the face of Scripture. It actually arises out of humanism, based on the idea that a loving God could never sentence someone to eternal suffering. Were this doctrine true, we would have to throw out a lot of the Bible, including some of Jesus's own words.

Anyway, to return to the topic-- I must conclude that Mr Pember got caught up in a flight of fancy, forgot his Hebrew and the principles of biblical hermeneutics, and wound up with a theory that just does not hold up to close scrutiny.
 
Respectfully, I think Mr Pember is mistaken about the identities of the "God's" referred to in this psalm. He identified them as angels because the Hebrew word used for them is elohim, which means both God and "gods". When the context dictates it is used of gods, then it refers to the false gods and idols of the pagans. But it is also clearly used in Scripture to refer to rulers on earth, such as leaders and judges. For example, God tells Moses that he is "like God (elohim) to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet." And in Exodus 21:6 and 22:8-9, God speaks to the judges on earth, but addresses them as Elohim (gods).

Why was Moses told he was like god? Why were the judges in Israel addressed as gods? It was not because they were gods; it was because they were in the position of God in regard to those under them, for they held the power of life or death, freedom or confinement, grace or punishment. This is why God remonstrated with them so severely-- "How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked?" (v 2)
He had appointed them to care for His people --“Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless; uphold the rights of the afflicted and oppressed. Rescue the weak and needy; save them from the hand of the wicked“ (vv3-4)-- yet they were not caring for them. They were rejoicing in their power, position and prestige and not placing the good of the people as their chief purpose. They thought they were special because of their position. This is why God said to them "You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High. But like mortals you will die, and like rulers you will fall." (vv6-7) God is telling them that despite their position, they are no better than any other human being and will die like one. Their current exalted status will not protect them or provide them with some exalted fate.

When you re-examine this psalm with this understanding, you can see what it is telling us, very clearly.

And frankly, if Satan and the angels will be brought to repentance, then every single sinner who has ever lived on the face of this earth will be saved. Hell will be temporary and no one will suffer forever. There is actually a doctrine that claims this: it is called Universalism. And it is a gross theological error that flies in the face of Scripture. It actually arises out of humanism, based on the idea that a loving God could never sentence someone to eternal suffering. Were this doctrine true, we would have to throw out a lot of the Bible, including some of Jesus's own words.

Anyway, to return to the topic-- I must conclude that Mr Pember got caught up in a flight of fancy, forgot his Hebrew and the principles of biblical hermeneutics, and wound up with a theory that just does not hold up to close scrutiny.

The gospel is hidden in parables from Satan. Without parables the signified understnding Christ spoke not

Satan has zero spiritual understanding (faith) He had no idea of who the Son of man Jesus was . Not subject to the gospel

In that way the one spirit of lies called Legion that works in many antichrists. Anti another teaching authority other than all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura)

False apostles bringing false prophecy oral traditions of dying mankind
 
And frankly, if Satan and the angels will be brought to repentance, then every single sinner who has ever lived on the face of this earth will be saved.

Some teachers in the catholic church believe there is no hell and everybody including satan will be saved.

The old priest I had the discussion with was part of a traveling teaching group. My sense was the old guy was a servant of satan, sent out to deceive.
 
Some teachers in the catholic church believe there is no hell and everybody including satan will be saved.

The old priest I had the discussion with was part of a traveling teaching group. My sense was the old guy was a servant of satan, sent out to deceive.
I don't understand why some go to such lengths to distort what is very plainly stated in the Bible. I guess I do understand, they don't like God's word and think they can change it to fit their needs. I feel sorry for them.
 
Some teachers in the catholic church believe there is no hell and everybody including satan will be saved.

The old priest I had the discussion with was part of a traveling teaching group. My sense was the old guy was a servant of satan, sent out to deceive.
This is true. I have a Catholic client who believes this and it has been quite a challenge to discuss the Gospel with her. She just can’t seem to understand and grasp it, as simple as it is.
 
Please let's not confuse angels with apostles. Each has a different task. And one is human, the other is not. To confuse the nature and role of angels and apostles is to muddy Scripture.


Angelo's is the Greek word meaning messenger, sent one sent, with sola scriptura .Abel the first martyr.

Angel a fake word coined in the 10 th century sounds the same an entirely different meaning.

It would appear some confuse the apostles as sent messenger like UPS or Fed X with a legion of invisible disembodied workers with a familiar spirits called patron saints .

Its Christ in us who works to both give us his understanding and power to perform it to His good pleasure not a legion of invisible spirits that some say can take form of thier own doing .(Outer Limits)

God is not served by human hands of dying mankind .He can use a Ass that represents unbelief as a apostle The word that came from the Ass moved the false prophet

Can't entertain strangers with brotherly love "not seen ".

Hebrews 13:1-313 Let brotherly love continue. Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels messenger unawares.;Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; and them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body.
 
I'm reading George H. Pember's 'Earth's Earliest Ages' now and I came across this thought, that possibly there might have been the opportunity for the fallen angels, and even Satan
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
 
Some teachers in the catholic church believe there is no hell and everybody including satan will be saved.

The old priest I had the discussion with was part of a traveling teaching group. My sense was the old guy was a servant of satan, sent out to deceive.
There are other Amils that take this point…sadly it’s one in my family..
 
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