Pumping sea water into Hamas Gaza tunnels- an idea they are preparing for

[Margery]

Israel preparing to flood Hamas tunnels with SEA WATER

The pumps, at least five of which have been built, can each pump thousands of cubic feet of water from the Mediterranean Sea into the tunnels per hour, which would lead to them flooding in weeks

www.dailymail.co.uk

this article has some really good info graphics showing maps of the tunnel system (or whatever we are allowed to see- I'm sure Israel knows of more)

and it explains how they are currently working with the tunnels and the sea water idea.

"The pumps, at least five of which have been built, can each pump thousands of cubic feet of water from the Mediterranean Sea into the tunnels per hour, which would lead to them flooding in a matter of weeks.

US officials said Israel first informed them of the plans in early November, though they don't know when or even if the Israeli government would carry out the plans.

One source told the newspaper that the plan would take place over several weeks, meaning that Hamas would have enough time to move all the hostages out of the tunnels. "

 

[Tall Timbers]

Sounds like a good plan, but I don't think the hostages will be moved to safety by hamas.

 

[Armor of Light]

Sounds like a good plan, but I don't think the hostages will be moved to safety by hamas.

very sad and also true.

 

[Work4Peanuts]

The area is so riddled with tunnels, I personally wonder, if Israel floods all the tunnels, will Gaza just collapse and wash into the sea? I can't imagine that Hamas built those tunnels while caring about the people above them. The ground must be positively unstable.

 

[Tall Timbers]

Flooding the tunnels with salt water should destroy/disable a lot of war materials and save Israeli lives.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

Flooding the tunnels with salt water should destroy/disable a lot of war materials and save Israeli lives.

Could set some things off, which could bring down buildings, collapse tunnels, damage or destroy utilities, roads, etc.
Salt water over time will corrode everything it comes into contact with.

If the tunnels have been cleared of chemicals, explosives, munitions, boobytraps, etc., then just the pressure of the rushing water could create issues, depending on how well or how poorly the tunnels are constructed, and geologic conditions.

Flooding the tunnels will make them a lot more difficult to use, although not impossible, and will open up the possibilities for other uses. And there are other issues with standing/relatively stagnant water.

 

[Andy C]

Could set some things off, which could bring down buildings, collapse tunnels, damage or destroy utilities, roads, etc.
Salt water over time will corrode everything it comes into contact with.

If the tunnels have been cleared of chemicals, explosives, munitions, boobytraps, etc., then just the pressure of the rushing water could create issues, depending on how well or how poorly the tunnels are constructed, and geologic conditions.

Flooding the tunnels will make them a lot more difficult to use, although not impossible, and will open up the possibilities for other uses. And there are other issues with standing/relatively stagnant water.

I trust the IDFs engineers would know how to execute this with precision.

Between the bombings to collapse the tunnels, and now flooding, only way Hamas will get around is public transportation….

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

I trust the IDFs engineers would know how to execute this with precision.

Between the bombings to collapse the tunnels, and now flooding, only way Hamas will get around is public transportation….

Rental donkeys?!!!

(with the roads busted up and/or rubble on them, wheeled anything doesn't get around too well, unless military or agricultural type, and I doubt that would be allowed, except for actual agricultural use, or maybe EMS)

Yes, IDF engineers are some of the finest in the world, and they work very closely with more specialized units, so I'd think the big elephants in the room would be taken care of.

 

[Tall Timbers]

And there are other issues with standing/relatively stagnant water.

The way I see it: not Israel's problem...

A lot of the tunnels appear to be quite well built.

 

[Andy C]

Rental donkeys?!!!

 

[Margery]

the wiring, any electronics to suck good air into the tunnels and expel fumes from vehicles (they are used in larger tunnels) would be destroyed, and if there is any rebar in the concrete galvanic corrosion would start to destroy the concrete.

Any explosives, rifles, weapons, machinery, delicate drone equipment would also be damaged. Not sure of explosives but I would think any rifles, guns or machinery would not be easily salvageable after that.

Something just feels right about all those losses for Iran piling up in the tunnels.

I think due to the hostages, Israel isn't ready to deploy the floods yet at least I haven't seen that they've flooded anything yet. TBN reported on it but it hasn't been corroborated elsewhere yet. The reason they were so interested in getting to some of the terrorists houses was in hopes of finding and liberating some of the hostages. So either the delays in flooding are due to hopes of getting the hostages out of harms way or international pressure especially from the US.

Since the US has vetoed a UN imposed cease fire in Gaza Israel might be weighing their options carefully before going ahead. Maybe as a last resort.

 

[Kaatje]

I think due to the hostages, Israel isn't ready to deploy the floods yet at least I haven't seen that they've flooded anything yet.

I think they have, I saw foortage of it.
And seeing the droves of capitulating "warriors", I think they have nowhere else to hide.

Btw, Lovely to see you posting again, dear sister!

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

Any explosives, rifles, weapons, machinery, delicate drone equipment would also be damaged. Not sure of explosives but I would think any rifles, guns or machinery would not be easily salvageable after that.

Depends on how quickly stuff is recovered and how quickly remediation starts. And the specific item(s). It's labor-intensive and time-consuming.

 

[Margery]

I think they have, I saw foortage of it.
And seeing the droves of capitulating "warriors", I think they have nowhere else to hide.

Btw, Lovely to see you posting again, dear sister!

I thought so too, but the only channel so far is TBN plus George said he saw it on Amir Tsarfati's Telegram account (I don't do Telegram so he tells me what's showing up there) and it probably is happening, but maybe they aren't even supposed to be reporting on it yet. Officially they are still thinking about it, but the pumps are in place so I'm inclined to think that TBN might have the scoop on it but the officials are maintaining silence till it's a done deal. Probably because it might upset their allies if the official confirmation came out. The fog of war I suppose.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

I thought so too, but the only channel so far is TBN plus George said he saw it on Amir Tsarfati's Telegram account (I don't do Telegram so he tells me what's showing up there) and it probably is happening, but maybe they aren't even supposed to be reporting on it yet. Officially they are still thinking about it, but the pumps are in place so I'm inclined to think that TBN might have the scoop on it but the officials are maintaining silence till it's a done deal. Probably because it might upset their allies if the official confirmation came out. The fog of war I suppose.

Military information often has to be withheld until after the fact, and sometimes years, and decades, and even longer after the fact. Safety of Soldiers and civilians, and to assure success of the mission. When communication wasn't instantaneous, especially video, far less political concern than now.

 

[Margery]

Military information often has to be withheld until after the fact, and sometimes years, and decades, and even longer after the fact. Safety of Soldiers and civilians, and to assure success of the mission. When communication wasn't instantaneous, especially video, far less political concern than now.

Exactly! Well put!

 

[Tall Timbers]

IDF has begun pumping seawater into Hamas tunnels in Gaza – report​

The IDF has started an operation to flood Hamas’s underground tunnel network in the Gaza Strip with seawater, a report published Tuesday by The Wall Street Journal said.

The IDF added two pumps to an existing set of five, US officials told the Journal. These five original large pumps, installed north of the al-Shati refugee camp last month, are each designed to pump thousands of cubic meters of seawater into Hamas’s underground tunnels.

This method of tunnel flooding is not without precedent. Egypt employed a similar strategy in 2015, using seawater to flood tunnels connecting the Gaza Strip with the Sinai Peninsula. The Egyptian operation faced heavy backlash for allegedly causing damage to the soil in the affected areas.

The move would negate the need to risk soldiers’ lives by sending them into narrow and booby-trapped corridors.

IDF has begun pumping seawater into Hamas tunnels in Gaza - report

Biden officials warned that the plan could have a serious environmental impact on Gaza's groundwater quality .

worldisraelnews.com

 

[Work4Peanuts]

IDF has begun pumping seawater into Hamas tunnels in Gaza – report​

The IDF has started an operation to flood Hamas’s underground tunnel network in the Gaza Strip with seawater, a report published Tuesday by The Wall Street Journal said.

The IDF added two pumps to an existing set of five, US officials told the Journal. These five original large pumps, installed north of the al-Shati refugee camp last month, are each designed to pump thousands of cubic meters of seawater into Hamas’s underground tunnels.

This method of tunnel flooding is not without precedent. Egypt employed a similar strategy in 2015, using seawater to flood tunnels connecting the Gaza Strip with the Sinai Peninsula. The Egyptian operation faced heavy backlash for allegedly causing damage to the soil in the affected areas.

The move would negate the need to risk soldiers’ lives by sending them into narrow and booby-trapped corridors.

IDF has begun pumping seawater into Hamas tunnels in Gaza - report

Biden officials warned that the plan could have a serious environmental impact on Gaza's groundwater quality .

worldisraelnews.com

It sounds like they've given up hoping to find the kidnap victims in those tunnels...

 

[Tall Timbers]

It sounds like they've given up hoping to find the kidnap victims in those tunnels...

Some decisions made during a war for National survival can be difficult ones.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

Likely at least some of the women and girls have been trafficked/forced into marriage and no longer in Gaza