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Open Season’ on Teens: Assembly Sabotages Bill to Protect Minors from Sex Buyers

In a floor debate marked by heartbreak, outrage, and raw honesty, the California Assembly last week refused to restore full felony protections for 16- and 17-year-olds who are bought for sex — leaving a gaping loophole in the state’s laws on child sexual exploitation.

AB 379, a bill originally authored by Assemblywoman Maggy Krell, aimed to criminalize the purchase of sex from any minor — including 16- and 17-year-olds — as a felony, regardless of whether trafficking could be proven. However, the Assembly’s Democrat leadership stripped Krell’s name from the bill, reassigned it to Public Safety Chair Nick Schultz and Assemblywoman Stephanie Nguyen, and adopted watered-down amendments that allow adult sex buyers of older minors to be charged with only a misdemeanor unless prosecutors can prove the minor was trafficked.

What happened next shocked even veteran legislators.

“A Complete Atrocity”

After a failed attempt to restore the original bill on the Assembly floor using Rule 88, Republican lawmakers gathered for a press conference. Assemblyman James Gallagher, visibly shaken, called out the injustice in no uncertain terms:

“First of all, I just want to say what happened on the floor is a complete atrocity. We came here to stand up for 16 and 17-year-olds. It’s very simple. 16 and 17-year-olds are minors. They should be treated the same way under the law, protected under law from these dangerous Johns who are buying kids for sex, period. There should not be a different standard whatsoever.”

Gallagher pointed out that this was not a theoretical debate:

“Last year, we called it out that when they took this out, this same public safety committee. When they took out 16 and 17 year olds, we vowed we would fix it. Assemblymember Krell courageously ran the bill to fix that… and this public safety committee, they’re the ones playing politics.”

A Bill Hijacked on the Floor

In a rare procedural move, Assemblyman Carl DeMaio invoked Rule 88, which allows the full Assembly to bypass committees when the normal process has broken down. DeMaio argued that the Public Safety Committee’s hostile amendments broke faith with California’s voters:

“Assembly Rule 88 is reserved for a failure of our legislative process… The change that was made that I believe enjoys majority support of this body struck language that would make it a felony to purchase a minor age 16 or 17-years-old for sex.”

When his motion failed, DeMaio gave an impassioned speech in defense of the original bill. He declared:

“What this Bill does is it does pay lip service because it says a couple words that seem to cover 16 and 17-year-olds. But then it takes away the ability of prosecutors to actually prosecute and punish individuals who purchase 16 and 17-year-olds.”

A Prosecutor’s Plea Ignored
Krell, the bill’s original author, addressed the Assembly and explained why the new language was legally insufficient. “What I do care about is whether California protects minors who are being sold for sex… if you’re under 18, a child, a minor… the person who’s buying that person should be charged with a felony,” she said. “It’s plain and simple. Sex without consent, that’s rape. The exchange of money doesn’t change that.”

A Heartbreaking Reality

The floor debate included personal stories from lawmakers whose communities have been devastated by California’s lenient sex crime policies.

Assemblyman David Tangipa delivered one of the most emotional speeches of the day, pleading with his colleagues to support the original version of AB 379 and reinstate felony penalties for anyone who buys a 16- or 17-year-old for sex. Speaking with “a broken heart,” Tangipa shared a harrowing personal connection to sex trafficking and its devastating impact on his family and community.

He praised Krell as a hero for taking down Backpage, the notorious sex trafficking website where a member of his family was being exploited. He recounted his own upbringing in North Highlands, one of California’s most trafficked neighborhoods, and the moment he saw a young girl he knew disappear.

“I worked at the McDonald’s off of Roseville Road and Watt Avenue,” Tangipa recalled. “A classmate of mine that was older than me would come in on the later part of the shift. And all she wanted before she started walking on the street was three cookies and that they were hot because all she could afford was, was the $1.”

“Something that will never leave me is a blue sunburnt Silverado from the early 1990s pulled up, and as she waited, walked in, he took her out, and they got in that truck, and we never saw her again,” Tangipa said. Soliciting a minor “should be a felony every time.”

Assemblyman Juan Alanis, a former crimes-against-children detective, stated, “My prior employment as a crimes against children’s detective, I probably have more to talk to about on these issues than most in that building… No matter what their age, 16 or 17, they’re under 18. They’re minors, and we need to protect them.”

Democrat Legislators Defended Their Position
Despite widespread bipartisan frustration, Democrat legislators defended the decision to treat 16- and 17-year-olds differently under the law, arguing that California already has “tough laws on the books” and that discretion must be preserved for prosecutors. Assemblymember Nick Schultz, the newly assigned author of AB 379 after it was stripped from Krell, insisted that “if you contact a minor directly or indirectly… that is a felony,” citing Penal Code 288.3. He accused critics of spreading “a regrettable amount of misinformation,” and asserted that the amended version still protected minors, stating: “This amendment is the first step and more steps that we will take in the coming weeks to strengthen the law to protect our children.”

Other members echoed Schultz’s argument for discretion and complexity. Assemblymember Ash Kalra said, “Let’s speak to the reality of what we’re talking about here,” insisting that adults raping 16-year-olds were not “being released two days later.” He warned that a uniform felony mandate might unjustly ensnare close-in-age peers or limit prosecutorial flexibility. Kalra also argued that survivors’ groups had raised concerns with the original language — using this as a reason to support the amendments. In a similar vein, Assemblymember Stephanie Nguyen defended the changes by emphasizing that “sometimes bills need years to work on” and asked her colleagues to trust her “commitment that we bring a Bill that is better than what was presented.” While acknowledging the pain of sex trafficking victims, these lawmakers ultimately prioritized a more gradual legislative approach — one that critics argue continues to leave the most vulnerable minors without equal justice under the law.

Krell, a former prosecutor and the original author of AB 379, rejected the notion that existing law sufficiently protects older minors, directly challenging the idea that 16- and 17-year-olds should be treated differently. She reminded her colleagues that under both federal and California law, “any person under the age of 18, any minor who is bought for sex is considered a victim.” Addressing claims that Penal Code 288.3 already covers such conduct, she explained that it does not explicitly include prostitution (Penal Code 647(b)), which leaves critical legal gaps: “We could easily include 647B in 288.3 if we wanted to. And then it would be clear that contacting a minor would include prostitution. But right now that’s unclear.” Krell emphasized the moral and legal clarity that should guide the debate: “If you’re 17 years old on a street corner and an old man comes up and purchases you for sex, that’s rape. That should be treated as a felony.” Her rebuke made clear that intent language and vague amendments are no substitute for real justice — and that any law falling short of equal protection for all minors is not good enough.

What’s Next?

Despite the objections of dozens of lawmakers and survivor advocates, the Assembly voted 55–21 to adopt the weakened amendments. The bill now heads to the Assembly Appropriations Committee — neutered and stripped of the very protections it promised.

As Senator Shannon Grove put it, “There are Democrats, not all of them, but a certain number of Democrats, [who] are actively, actively engaging in keeping minors in a sex slave industry while protecting perpetrators. How is that even possible?”

The fight isn’t over.

California Family Council and its allies will continue working to close this legal loophole and protect all minors from predators. Let there be no mistake: there is no such thing as a child prostitute. Only children waiting for the justice they deserve.

 
What we are seeing is painful, but God warned us.

Matthew 24:12 tells us that in these days in which we are living iniquity will abound. 2 Timothy 3:1-4 tells us that terrible times will arrive...with men being lovers of themselves...brutal... without love of good...lovers of pleasure. Romans 1:24-29a tells us that those who choose their own way over God's way "He has given over in the desires of their hearts to impurity for the dishonoring of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is forever worthy of praise!f Amen. For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. Likewise, the men abandoned natural relations with women and burned with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. Furthermore, since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, He gave them up to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity."

That Romans passage describes God's temporal judgment on these people. But there is an eternal judgment coming. And if these politicians do not repent, they will pay forever for their sins. And there will be no reprieve. I truly pray that these people will repent, for God will forgive them and save them if they do.
 
Sometimes I can understand why certain churches/pastors just focus on the word and the things of the kingdom in that respect and don't interface with politics so much. Coming from the reformed background I was one to lean in that direction because I could see how full focus and attention on His word and kingdom not being distracted from politics does make a lot of sense on many levels. I have seen the good that comes out of this focus in certain churches who view things this way.

To such an extent that I would find those like Jack Hibbs seemingly to grand stand to mix it up so much. But over the years, my focus has changed on that. And I can see great value in ministries likes Hibbs and ministries like Jay Sekulow on KKLA in Southern California. I think it is a beautiful thing that during the early periods of America being formed, pastors would also often be members of the black robe brigade (clearly support in the revolution period) had such active roles at a very needed time. Where the church was as much a part of the heart beat of civil order as it was its conscience.

Its reports like this that help me to see that although American spiritual perspective among evangelical camps seem to have a devide of sorts (like the controversy over Chrsitan Natioanalism and hyper focuses on this world not being our kingdom), because of the helpful godly influence of believers in the nation, the only time loving thy neighbor as thy self is exempted from the organic missionary field all around and about us is literally 30 seconds before the rapture. And not a metaphorical 30 seconds.

Therefore I don't see it in terms of like an either/or fallacy. I am glad their are churches that choose to hyper focus on the word and ecclesiological excellence (as we need that influence within the church), as well as those church parts of the body that lean toward the politics of our day as well. As the body is vast and diverse, I have come to understand that we kind of need both. And its articles like this that help to underscore that reality. Amen. Blessings.
 
@TCC I don't know how your comment has anything to do with whether the Church should be involved in politics and whether it makes a church a nationalist for having concerns about ungodly laws that politicians make. Your pointing to Jack Hibbs as being "hyper" about politics is a poor understanding why he does what he does.
I'm sorry but this in particular issue is beyond politics. It's not only a moral issue that involves the Christian conscience, but this issue is about what these laws are doing to children, and how we can't turn a blind eye to what's happening to them through outrageous laws implemented by politicians.

"Open your mouth for the speechless, In the cause of all who are appointed to die."
Proverbs 31:8

Jesus pointed out how He felt about anyone that harm children and causes them to sin....

"It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones."
Luke 17:2

So yes, The Church should be concerned about laws made that will harm children and cause them to sin by legalizing sexual "abuse" for preditors because a child may "consent".
Nobody knows the internal mindset of children who may consent due to fear. Regardless it's biblically unlawful for any adult to engage in fornication or sexual activity with a minor.
This is biblical.
Everyone has a right to have opinions but opinions don't overrule God's specific Word.
 
@TCC I don't know how your comment has anything to do with whether the Church should be involved in politics and whether it makes a church a nationalist for having concerns about ungodly laws that politicians make. Your pointing to Jack Hibbs as being "hyper" about politics is a poor understanding why he does what he does.
I'm sorry but this in particular issue is beyond politics. It's not only a moral issue that involves the Christian conscience, but this issue is about what these laws are doing to children, and how we can't turn a blind eye to what's happening to them through outrageous laws implemented by politicians.

"Open your mouth for the speechless, In the cause of all who are appointed to die."
Proverbs 31:8

Jesus pointed out how He felt about anyone that harm children and causes them to sin....

"It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones."
Luke 17:2

So yes, The Church should be concerned about laws made that will harm children and cause them to sin by legalizing sexual "abuse" for preditors because a child may "consent".
Nobody knows the internal mindset of children who may consent due to fear. Regardless it's biblically unlawful for any adult to engage in fornication or sexual activity with a minor.
This is biblical.
Everyone has a right to have opinions but opinions don't overrule God's specific Word.

Hi Rose. Thanks for your reply. I think we are in more agreement than perhaps the way i expressed things might imply. My apology if it was not too clear. I have a background that might not be as typical in Christianity. So i was raised on a church that is against bringing politics into the church arena. By that I don't mean that politics are not discussed or that some in the church would not be proactive in politics. But it was just a primary placement on the teaching of the word in strong deference to politics. Which is not too common. In some ways i feel blessed in having been a part of that because it is unusual to a degree. And me, for myself, i am (if it does not show) extremely interested in politics. lol. And always have been. To such an extent, that it would confuse me how the church i attended would seem contrary to laws regarding freedom of speech.

In the latter years at that church i came to understand that it was a church that kind of leaned into the church of England stance and mindset. And did even have courses at times as to why America was formed in disobedience to God. I can only imagine how that sounds...lol. But the reformed perspective in America is that itself kind of sees it as its own sovereign country that transcends America. In some cases that could biblically apply. In many, wow, it so so so did not.

So coming from that place though it did give me an extreme interest in the word. It was the only thing that helped in my earlier years. I had strong drug and alcohol addiction and church, fellowship, 12-step meetings, institutions, jail, and even 2 near death experiences did not help. It was not until i super heavily read the word ferociously that gave me decades of sobriety. So its things like that i cherish.

. . . . .

So as for Jack Hibbs though, well there is some history there. I was a part of the church mindset that put forth Strange Fire conference. If this is unfamiliar, that is ok. But it basically went after Calvery Chapel for allowing the extreme versions of pentecostalism. And did kind of tie in Hibbs connection to NAR. Later on the pastor of my church did a virtual conference with Hibbs (as if nothing was said before) over the COVID government strongarm issue. Which i found odd. Not that they could not make up and be friends. But just that there was little accountability seemingly from my previous pastor to kind of help give sober context to what seemed to be waffling.

Currently i live down the street from Hibbs church. And i have been there many times and have family in that church. I actually like Hibbs. As he was the only mega pastor that said: "Maybe America can be blessed, but maybe God will judge her." And he prayed then for God to give us more time. Which i thought was wonderful. Eschatology seems to be something that can cause a divide. And Hibbs was the only big pastor voice i heard that left it up to God instead of declaring how things would go eschatologically. Which i found endearing and reasonable.

What i would have concern with Hibbs is though that he did a sermon once where he heavily implied that if we don't vote God would judge us. He used the parable of the talents to include voting (ps--i'm for voting and think we should in general, amen). And the take away was practically that one is not saved if he does not vote. So I did not use the term hyper in my post. But on that note, yeah, i would use that word there...lol. Now to be fair, Hibbs did not say such a thing with super clear language But the import was unmistakeable. To me, just bad use of the pulpit. But even so, I actually like that Hibbs is proactive in politics. I think the body of Christ needs pastors like that.

So my comment was commending. Not roping pastors that have an interest in politics as a Christian Nationalist category of people. But I said what i did because we have a diverse group on our forum. I am extremely pro-America and pro-Trump in contrast with a section of the forum that tend to see those kinds of concepts too heavily couched in Christian Nationalism. Personally, Rose, my view on Christian Nationalism is not much. I don't really pay attention to it other than how it might be somewhat of disruptor in the church. So I care about those kinds of discussions. But there is a segment of the church that sees Christian Nationalism as a huge threat. I don't. I don't see it to be something to occur. Because, well, i have my 1st seal view...lol. And that in ways super transcends the mere concerns of Christian Nationalism.

Do i think Hibbs is a Christian Nationalist? No. Not at all. Do i think what is occurring in America to be that? There are interests, but no. I see focus on Christian Nationalism pro or con primarily as a distraction. And an unnecessary focus in that, to me, it is a knee-jerk reaction to what we saw with Biden for four years. But i understand the concerns of some. It does concern me though that Hibbs in the past has had connections to NAR. But he seems to have stepped back from that quite a bit. In general my church view is not to label pastors too much. Because in general i believe we are in the Laodicean church era. And that it effects all churches somehow. So by the grace go any of us.

. . . . .

But i appreciate the verses. And yes it is great to see activity in the body of Christ at social or political levels. In actuality, the reason i posted this is more for those of perhaps the other persuasion. Those that might see being involved politically is too much focus on this present world. It was meant as an encouragement for those who might hold those views to consider such an article as this as a very real world example of why the church involved in politics matters. I hope that helps some. And thanks again for the article. Blessings.
 
Hi Rose. Thanks for your reply. I think we are in more agreement than perhaps the way i expressed things might imply. My apology if it was not too clear. I have a background that might not be as typical in Christianity. So i was raised on a church that is against bringing politics into the church arena. By that I don't mean that politics are not discussed or that some in the church would not be proactive in politics. But it was just a primary placement on the teaching of the word in strong deference to politics. Which is not too common. In some ways i feel blessed in having been a part of that because it is unusual to a degree. And me, for myself, i am (if it does not show) extremely interested in politics. lol. And always have been. To such an extent, that it would confuse me how the church i attended would seem contrary to laws regarding freedom of speech.

In the latter years at that church i came to understand that it was a church that kind of leaned into the church of England stance and mindset. And did even have courses at times as to why America was formed in disobedience to God. I can only imagine how that sounds...lol. But the reformed perspective in America is that itself kind of sees it as its own sovereign country that transcends America. In some cases that could biblically apply. In many, wow, it so so so did not.

So coming from that place though it did give me an extreme interest in the word. It was the only thing that helped in my earlier years. I had strong drug and alcohol addiction and church, fellowship, 12-step meetings, institutions, jail, and even 2 near death experiences did not help. It was not until i super heavily read the word ferociously that gave me decades of sobriety. So its things like that i cherish.

. . . . .

So as for Jack Hibbs though, well there is some history there. I was a part of the church mindset that put forth Strange Fire conference. If this is unfamiliar, that is ok. But it basically went after Calvery Chapel for allowing the extreme versions of pentecostalism. And did kind of tie in Hibbs connection to NAR. Later on the pastor of my church did a virtual conference with Hibbs (as if nothing was said before) over the COVID government strongarm issue. Which i found odd. Not that they could not make up and be friends. But just that there was little accountability seemingly from my previous pastor to kind of help give sober context to what seemed to be waffling.

Currently i live down the street from Hibbs church. And i have been there many times and have family in that church. I actually like Hibbs. As he was the only mega pastor that said: "Maybe America can be blessed, but maybe God will judge her." And he prayed then for God to give us more time. Which i thought was wonderful. Eschatology seems to be something that can cause a divide. And Hibbs was the only big pastor voice i heard that left it up to God instead of declaring how things would go eschatologically. Which i found endearing and reasonable.

What i would have concern with Hibbs is though that he did a sermon once where he heavily implied that if we don't vote God would judge us. He used the parable of the talents to include voted. And the take away was practically that one is not saved if he does not vote. So I did not use the term hyper in my post. But on that note, yeah, i would use that word there...lol. Now to be fair, Hibbs did not say such a thing with super clear language But the import was unmistakeable. To me, just bad use of the pulpit. But even so, I actually like that Hibbs is proactive in politics. I think the body of Christ needs pastors like that.

So my comment was commending. Not roping pastors that have an interest in politics are Christian Nationalist. But I said what i did because we have a diverse group on our forum. I am extremely pro-America and pro-Trump in contrast with a section of the forum that tend to see those kinds of concepts too heavily couched in Christian Nationalism. Personally, Rose, my view on Christian Nationalism is not much. I don't really pay attention to it other than how it might be somewhat of disruptor in the church. So I care about those kinds of discussions. But there is a segment of the church that sees Christian Nationalism as a huge threat. I don't. I don't see it to be something to occur. Because, well, i have my 1st seal view...lol. And that in ways super transcends the mere concerns of Christian Nationalism.

Do i think Hibbs is a Christian Nationalist? No. Not at all. Do i think what is occurring in America to be that? There are interests, but no. I see focus on Christian Nationalism pro or con primarily as a distraction. And an unnecessary focus. But i understand the concerns of some. It does concern me though that Hibbs in the past has had connections to NAR. But he seems to have stepped back from that quite a bit. In general my church view is not to label pastors too much. Because in general i believe we are in the Laodicean church era. And that it effects all churches somehow. So by the grace go any of us.

. . . . .

But i appreciate the verses. And yes it is great to see activity in the body of Christ a social or political levels. In actuality, the reason i posted this is more for those of perhaps the other persuasion. Those that might see being involved politically is too much focus on this present world. It was meant as an encouragement for those who might hold those views consider such an article as this as a very real world example of why the church involved in politics matters. I hope that helps some. And thanks again for the article. Blessings.
When you go off topic from the OP and bring up a variety of other things it can get messy for the reader.
If I hadn't mentioned Jack Hibbs where I heard about it and I had found the story on the OP from the source of this article maybe the conversation wouldn't have become so broad into a different direction with discussion which caused the discussion to divert from the topic of the OP which was the purpose for which it was posted.
There are churches that don't agree with having politics in church discussion but that wasn't the issue in this article.
It's not a nationalistic issue to voice concerns about ungodly laws, it's an issue that if it were happening anywhere in the world, in Any nation that it should be concerning for any believer, because of our love for neighbor and because it could impact one of our own.
But it helps when we are on the same page with the topic in the OP and not go into other issues because it takes away from the main issue involved.
 
What's the age of consent in California?

This is leading right to arranged/forced marriages IAW sharia . . .
The age is going to get younger and younger and younger
Marriages between men and little girls as young as 5. The men aren't supposed to have sex with them until after first menarche, but who's to say what goes on behind closed doors where the women and girls are essentially imprisoned under sharia?

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, marriages from one state have to be honored by all the other states

:furious: :mad: :apost: :ban:



:pray: :pray: :amen: :amen: :thankyou: :thankyou:
 
What's the age of consent in California?

This is leading right to arranged/forced marriages IAW sharia . . .
The age is going to get younger and younger and younger
Marriages between men and little girls as young as 5. The men aren't supposed to have sex with them until after first menarche, but who's to say what goes on behind closed doors where the women and girls are essentially imprisoned under sharia?

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, marriages from one state have to be honored by all the other states

:furious: :mad: :apost: :ban:



:pray: :pray: :amen: :amen: :thankyou: :thankyou:
The bill originally introduced in 2020 Says there would be 10 years difference between the adult and minor to consider it consent.

From the article in Fox News Los Angeles...

adults who have consensual sex with a minor if the offender is within 10 years of age with the victim.


Yet these minors don't have the mental maturity to serve their country or vote and these are the same lawmakers legalizing this who made California a sanctuary state for minors from other states to come to California to have sex change surgeries without parental consent. 😡
 
When you go off topic from the OP and bring up a variety of other things it can get messy for the reader.
If I hadn't mentioned Jack Hibbs where I heard about it and I had found the story on the OP from the source of this article maybe the conversation wouldn't have become so broad into a different direction with discussion not which caused the discussion to divert from the topic of the OP which was the purpose for which it was posted.
There are churches that don't agree with having politics in church discussion but that wasn't the issue in this article.
It's not a nationalistic issue to voice concerns about ungodly laws, it's an issue that if it were happening anywhere in the world, in Any nation that it should be concerning for any believer, because of our love for neighbor and because it could impact one of our own.
But it helps when we are on the same page with the topic in the OP and not go into other issues because it takes away from the main issue involved.

Amen. A good reminder. I hear you Rose. But it's also a social forum. And this article (in the involvement of public concern and activity) is "too" precious to resist. I would hope you may receive this as a compliment. You may not be as aware of how super huge concerns of Christian Nationalism, politics, etc., are today in what is being presented to the body of Christ. Even our body of Christ. Even of those of some of us on our forum. But i see it. And its massive. The focus i meant to bring to this is how important the article you posted is to the body of Christ. It was not meant as a rabbit trail from your article. But a support of it for those who think that all politics are just theater today.

You may have not seen, but recently there have been videos posted recently on our forum detailing how all politics is just theater. That is going on in other threads. It was well meant. But there are powerful voices out there in Christendom that lean for us to believe that all politics is just theater. In this case. In the article you posted. It demonstrates robustly that is not the case. It was meant to point those who don't believe in politics to hopefully consider the genuine gravity of your post dear sister. And why someone like me...who comes from a background of a church that does not support politics still feels this article you post to be super worthy. I would ask you please consider what my posts are saying. But I am always appreciative to expand. But my original post to your OP was "complimenting it."

So just thinking that since this is a public forum...its more about the body of Christ than posting acumen for me...Some do need to hear that Rose. But i will keep a respectful watch not to wander. Please keep in mind dear sister that on another thread we had huge discourse over what is reasonable to post or not. And even though that was, for me, a huge rabbit trail, i consider it an honor to walk hand-in-hand with my sister in where we may agree or not. Because "we" are the ministry. Amen. Hope this makes sense and finds you in His awesome gracious most precious care...my dearly loved sister. :heart:

PS -- Rose i would ask you to please if you might, be a little more involved in considering what my posts are saying. I am drawing from multiple resources. But this was clearly articluatled: But over the years, my focus has changed on that. And I can see great value in ministries likes Hibbs and ministries like Jay Sekulow on KKLA in Southern California. There was no need for you to question that. It might be helpful to IM me perhaps in the future if something i am posting originally does not track with how you are thinking. it might actually track with others here differently. I just hope the above is generally overall helpufl. My post was not a rabbit trail. It was a staircase for others to understand how important your article is. Blessings.
 
Amen. A good reminder. I hear you Rose. But it's also a social forum. And this article (in the involvement of public concern and activity) is "too" precious to resist. I would hope you may receive this as a compliment. You may not be as aware of how super huge concerns of Christian Nationalism, politics, etc., are today in what is being presented to the body of Christ. Even our body of Christ. Even of those of some of us on our forum. But i see it. And its massive. The focus i meant to bring to this is how important the article you posted is to the body of Christ. It was not meant as a rabbit trail from your article. But a support of it for those who think that all politics are just theater today.

You may have not seen, but recently there have been videos posted recently on our forum detailing how all politics is just theater. That is going on in other threads. It was well meant. But there are powerful voices out there in Christendom that lean for us to believe that all politics is just theater. In this case. In the article you posted. It demonstrates robustly that is not the case. It was meant to point those who don't believe in politics to hopefully consider the genuine gravity of your post dear sister. And why someone like me...who comes from a background of a church that does not support politics still feels this article you post to be super worthy. I would ask you please consider what my posts are saying. But I am always appreciative to expand. But my original post to your OP was "complimenting it."

So just thinking that since this is a public forum...its more about the body of Christ than posting acumen for me...Some do need to hear that Rose. But i will keep a respectful watch not to wander. Please keep in mind dear sister that on another thread we had huge discourse over what is reasonable to post or not. And even though that was, for me, a huge rabbit trail, i consider it an honor to walk hand-in-hand with my sister in where we may agree or not. Because "we" are the ministry. Amen. Hope this makes sense and finds you in His awesome gracious most precious care...my dearly loved sister. :heart:

PS -- Rose i would ask you to please if you might, be a little more involved in considering what my posts are saying. I am drawing from multiple resources. But this was clearly articluatled: But over the years, my focus has changed on that. And I can see great value in ministries likes Hibbs and ministries like Jay Sekulow on KKLA in Southern California. There was no need for you to question that. It might be helpful to IM me perhaps in the future if something i am posting originally does not track with how you are thinking. it might actually track with others here differently. I just hope the above is generally overall helpufl. My post was not a rabbit trail. It was a staircase for others to understand how important your article is. Blessings.
I do understand what you are saying. I honestly didn't make my comment to you to rebuke you or embarrass you.
What I said about not going into other topics is sensible even in every day conversation. If I start a conversation with someone and the response is on a different topic than what my conversation began about, then likely goes out the window and it becomes a different topic all together and misses the point of the beginning of the conversation.
This issue on the OP is a serious issue that shouldn't be sidetracked by other issues.
We can start threads on those other issues to discuss on this forum that allows for us to speak freely.
But I understand where you are coming from and it does convict me and maybe I am alone in expressing what I have said so my comments are best kept to myself so they aren't taken as being unkind because that's not who I am to be unkind to anyone.
I am an expressive person and I don't always know how to Word my expressions but I never intend to embarrass or insult anybody. I apologize if you feel that's what I have done to you but I assure you that it wasn't like that at all.
This is a public forum and everyone will interpret what they read differently. Reading takes away the human sensitivity from a conversation and is why some may take what they read with a different understanding than what is meant so I understand you and I don't believe you had any bad intentions with your expressed comments.
Thank you for expanding on what you meant.
I do appreciate your contribution here. You are a brother in Christ loved and appreciated.
 
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