New York to be 13th state to legalize medically assisted suicide

[Almost Heaven]

New York is poised to become the 13th state to allow medication-assisted suicide for those who have terminal illnesses that are expected to end their lives within six months. Gov. Kathy Hochul said Wednesday that she would sign the bill into law, which comes with a battery of requirements, including some she requested.

As Deseret News earlier reported, the measure passed the New York House 81-67 and its Senate 35-27 and has been sitting on Hochul’s desk since early October.

Last week, Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker signed a similar measure. Besides the 13 states, the District of Columbia has also legalized assisted suicide. Each state has its own set of rules. Some version of legal medical aid in dying also exists in California, Colorado, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont and Washington.

Oregon was the first to pass such a law, which took effect in 1997, while Montana’s came via a court ruling.

Generally the laws require someone who is mentally competent to make the decision to seek medical assistance in dying and would otherwise die within six months. The individuals generally must be able to give themselves the medication that will end their lives.

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[Work4Peanuts]

 

[Margery]

The fools!

Everywhere this is legalized, it quickly becomes open season on anyone - no requirements are enforced. The ill, the elderly, the infirm, the mentally incompetent and those desiring to commit suicide all get swept into the death mills.

The hospital administrators use it to clear the hospital of a backlog of unwanted patients. People with strokes who need rehab not death, people trying to suicide who need therapy and antidepressants not death, people taking "too long" to die and the hospice beds are full.

Because the focus becomes death and not life, it affects the patient care focus overall, not just ones meeting these fake criteria.

In Canada there are waiting lists for surgery, our hospitals are overcrowded and it's a helpful tool for the administrators to weed out the unwanted. Justin Trudeau our former Prime Minister was pushing for this as a final solution for veterans from Afghanistan with PTSD!

In the States where charity beds are a waste as far as the money grubbers are concerned, this will result in a definite increase in death for the poor vs those with good insurance plans.

Even then, the insurance companies are going to push for the death sentence for their expensive clients.

Like abortion this is a murder industry.

How long O Lord till we go in the Rapture and You bring judgment on this world?

 

[Work4Peanuts]

Galatians 6:7

They will answer for the murders they have committed in the name of their god, mammon.

 

[Andiamo]

Justin Trudeau our former Prime Minister was pushing for this as a final solution for veterans from Afghanistan with PTSD!

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

 

[LydiaJoy]

The hospital administrators use it to clear the hospital of a backlog of unwanted patients. People with strokes who need rehab not death, people trying to suicide who need therapy and antidepressants not death, people taking "too long" to die and the hospice beds are full.

Because the focus becomes death and not life, it affects the patient care focus overall, not just ones meeting these fake criteria.

I worry that I would choose this if I was suffering and that suffering ever became completely unbearable and it was easily offered to me as a way out. Would that be forgivable, if a born again believer chose this as a way to end the suffering and just wanted to be home already?

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

I worry that I would choose this if I was suffering and that suffering ever became completely unbearable and it was easily offered to me as a way out. Would that be forgivable, if a born again believer chose this as a way to end the suffering and just wanted to be home already?

A little food for thought:

There is a huge difference between accepting adequate pain relief that may have the effect of shortening one's life, and accepting a lethal dose of pain medication, which will / is intended to end one's life. God has provided us with medications and doctors (ministers of medicine) to treat all sorts of injuries, diseases, conditions, and symptoms. Pain is only one category. It isn't just pain medications that can have the effect of shortening the patient's life. And sometimes, because alleviating pain helps the body heal, pain medication can have the effect of lengthening one's life.


"Every time we speak in the Apostle’s Creed ‘conceived by the Holy Spirit,’ we not only attest to the divinity of Jesus at the moment of conception, but also to our humanity from that moment.”
Rev. Dr. James I. Lamb, former Executive Directive of Lutherans For Life

“Life is not ours to give nor is it ours to take … Indeed the cross of Jesus Christ makes the difference in facing and living through our end-of-life issues. Thanks be to God!”
Rev. Dr. Eugene Boe, Lutheran Brethren Seminary


There's a lot of good information here, which can be helpful when considering your options. I had the Missouri version when I lived there, and now the one for Minnesota.

Fair Disclosure: National Right to Life Committee (NRLC) is a Political Action Committee (PAC)

Will to Live and Euthanasia information and individual state documents

Advance Directives & Living Wills - National Right to Life

nrlc.org

 

[Tall Timbers]

Would that be forgivable, if a born again believer chose this as a way to end the suffering and just wanted to be home already?

The Blood of the Lamb has covered our sins. There is nothing that can remove us from the Body of Christ.

It would be a sad way to arrive at the end of this mortal life though.

 

[Kem]

There is a huge difference between accepting adequate pain relief that may have the effect of shortening one's life, and accepting a lethal dose of pain medication, which will / is intended to end one's life.

Absolutely!!! 100%

 

[Tall Timbers]

There is a huge difference between accepting adequate pain relief that may have the effect of shortening one's life, and accepting a lethal dose of pain medication, which will / is intended to end one's life

In my living will I specifically ask for morphine since that works for me and doesn't cause nausea. I also stipulate that I'm to be kept hydrated. Will my medical team honor that document? Maybe, maybe not. If I'm in a VA hospital I think they'll do right by me.

 

[Amethyst]

I worry that I would choose this if I was suffering and that suffering ever became completely unbearable and it was easily offered to me as a way out. Would that be forgivable, if a born again believer chose this as a way to end the suffering and just wanted to be home already?

What is the unpardonable sin?
It is not suicide.

All Christians sin every day. Let’s not forget that.
And all sin is “selfish.”

 

[mattfivefour]

The Blood of the Lamb has covered our sins. There is nothing that can remove us from the Body of Christ.

It would be a sad way to arrive at the end of this mortal life though.

True, because then we would see all of the rewards that would have been ours for eternity ... had we only trusted God and stuck this temporary life out to the end. What a tragedy that would be to lose what would never have ended, in order to escape that which did --in God's timing and purpose-- have an end. And why? Because we had our eyes fixed on ourselves and our suffering rather than on God, never truly trusting Him with our life.

 

[LydiaJoy]

The Blood of the Lamb has covered our sins. There is nothing that can remove us from the Body of Christ.

It would be a sad way to arrive at the end of this mortal life though.

I love this statement, if I ever find myself in such despair, I will remember that I would ideally like to arrive in heaven in the manner God has chosen for me, which would never be thru assisted suicide.

Reminds me of a person who struggle with a specific sin and one way in which he was able to give up that sin was the thought of being raptured while he was committing that sin. The idea of spending all of eternity in heaven with people ask him what he was doing when he was raptured, horrified him. Kind of like the question, how did you die?

 

[dwb]

Living where I see nature every day, and nature can be very cruel, there is no creature in the animal kingdom that I've seen, other than humans, that willingly gives up life. All will fight regardless of pain or circumstance to continue the life cycle, to take that one more breath. It can be heartbreaking to see.

I hope I continue to have that "will to live" in hopeless, and/or painful situations. Until I get there, I can't with any honesty say what I would choose.

 

[Margery]

I worry that I would choose this if I was suffering and that suffering ever became completely unbearable and it was easily offered to me as a way out. Would that be forgivable, if a born again believer chose this as a way to end the suffering and just wanted to be home already?

No, not unforgiveable!

The sin of self murder is the same as murder and God forgave David and Paul of that.

God knows the heart. Mental illness is very hard to struggle with. Our drugs can help, but not perfectly. The enemy targets our weak areas. God doesn't condemn his own who falter and fail a bit in that battle, even if He welcomes them home a bit early as a result.

He loves us with an everlasting unfailing love. We are covered by His grace and mercy so that WHEN, (NOT IF) we sin, we are forgiven.

And what we often don't grasp is the nature of sin that we ALL struggle with. We ALL fail regularly.

It's the trying, the leaning on Christ for the strength to get back up even when we are barely able to crawl, that He rewards, the leaning on Him is the important part.

 

[Cheeky200386]

I love this statement, if I ever find myself in such despair, I will remember that I would ideally like to arrive in heaven in the manner God has chosen for me, which would never be thru assisted suicide.

Reminds me of a person who struggle with a specific sin and one way in which he was able to give up that sin was the thought of being raptured while he was committing that sin. The idea of spending all of eternity in heaven with people ask him what he was doing when he was raptured, horrified him. Kind of like the question, how did you die?

I’ve considered self murder in the hypothetical scenario of being invaded by Muslims. Taking me and my still young children out before they get their hands on us. I hope and pray it never comes to that because I don’t think I could endure being brutalized and watching my children be brutalized.

 

[dwb]

I don’t think I could endure being brutalized and watching my children be brutalized.

That's exactly what happened on Oct. 7th. The Muslims enjoyed doing it.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

I’ve considered self murder in the hypothetical scenario of being invaded by Muslims. Taking me and my still young children out before they get their hands on us. I hope and pray it never comes to that because I don’t think I could endure being brutalized and watching my children be brutalized.

I totally understand your thinking. I've seen various applications of sharia oversees, and different ways of sharia here among immigrants and refugees from various countries and sects.

Consider that we've already been invaded by muslims, with more arriving and being born every day. Their birthrate is very high, in part due to men having multiple wives, even though only the first is acknowledged and counted for benefits, etc.
Creeping sharia . . . they're gaining employment everywhere, including government, medicine, schools, etc, voting muslims into public office, serving in the military, inter-marrying with people of other faiths/no faith and insisting on muslim weddings and requiring their intended to convert as a condition of the marriage, etc.

Accommodation of their religious practices is becoming codified in law in some places, or laws that would prohibit some things like underage marriages and FGM are not being enforced. "Mediators," "religious police," and secret (and recently not-so-secret) sharia courts are becoming a parallel legal system in some places. muslim women and girls are subjected to horrible domestic abuse (physical, mental, verbal, and financial), and denied education and modern medical care.

I don't know what your area is like, but one or more of your neighbors might be muslim.

We must bless them with The Gospel, or we'll be cursed with sharia.

 

[Cheeky200386]

I totally understand your thinking. I've seen various applications of sharia oversees, and different ways of sharia here among immigrants and refugees from various countries and sects.

Consider that we've already been invaded by muslims, with more arriving and being born every day. Their birthrate is very high, in part due to men having multiple wives, even though only the first is acknowledged and counted for benefits, etc.
Creeping sharia . . . they're gaining employment everywhere, including government, medicine, schools, etc, voting muslims into public office, serving in the military, inter-marrying with people of other faiths/no faith and insisting on muslim weddings and requiring their intended to convert as a condition of the marriage, etc.

Accommodation of their religious practices is becoming codified in law in some places, or laws that would prohibit some things like underage marriages and FGM are not being enforced. "Mediators," "religious police," and secret (and recently not-so-secret) sharia courts are becoming a parallel legal system in some places. muslim women and girls are subjected to horrible domestic abuse (physical, mental, verbal, and financial), and denied education and modern medical care.

I don't know what your area is like, but one or more of your neighbors might be muslim.

We must bless them with The Gospel, or we'll be cursed with sharia.

We are in NH but doing some early research into moving to Eastern Tennessee. We hear a lot of lovely things about the Christian Communities out there. NH is still spiritually cold like MA and it’s isolating.

We hope to scope it out during a future visit. Thankfully Mike has the option to transfer to another VA hospital anywhere there is an opening.