Thanks for sharing Rose. Well i have a kind of zesty additional thought. This will probably be it for the day for me. But i look forward to checking in hopefully later tonight. In light of the recent and blessed Shindig prophecy conference we had been invited to, i am reminded of a paradigm of concern. From some of the ways you say things (which may be ways you think organically or maybe just in response to my thoughts), it seems to be a way to take comfort in that this whole MAGA thing is a godsend by contrast. Like a rope-a-dope free will gift from the sky to help evangelicalism know for SURE -- WE KNOW THAT'S NOT THE WAY. I get why that would be a temptation for some. Not saying you. This is really my issue probably more than anyone on the forum. But i understand that God sometimes cracks a big joke in front of us. And we get a huge TELL from it. But i don't think that is what this is at all. And i only say that (not in response to how you have well laid out your heart dear sister) because evangelicalism is kind of insisting on it. Even Brandon H. can't make sense of what the heck America is doing there just laying in the street with gold bullion all over it. It does not fit his whole package.
I am glad, not that this is a stumbling block. I am glad that this is a huge monkey wrench. Because for 25 years i went by church mandates. Don't get me wrong. We should love our elders. Honor them. Super love them. Amen. But they cannot take the place of Christ. I let them do that. And for over a decade i've been taking that back for Christ. THEN, end times comes along....great. Here we go again.
Not that i went through end times before but just that wow, just when i got to a sand bar, the church really passionate about its views has the road map for me. Now God does work like that. So yes, of course i am looking. I am open. But i have been around the block so many times, i've emptied out all my pockets for that other church over there down the road. If you guys need anything from me, go talk to them...they have all my stuff...lol. Metaphorically of course. Like talk to my attorney. They do all the talking for me. Well this is a new day. And i will tell you, i would be fine if what was being shouted from the rooftops were best for me. Or most true. But i have been to too many themes to know that the best thing to happen to evangelicalism since what we know to be most profound is, Trump. Not in the way we might think. Not that he saves America. But that he imposes upon. And i think that is an utterly gorgeous incredible thing. For me, like I said when my previous cessationist pastor prophesied that America is done. And then, "Not so fast buddy."
See for me its not about what happens down here. Its what God is doing with it that like flint striking together in my heart fanning super flames testifying wow how so much God is alive and interested in "running the show." I'm like, "Ok." With bells on. To me its a victory dance, that when i ask God, "Lord do you aspire men in my past to tower with less then solid truth in you to demonstrate i just suck?" And it looks like His answer is, Trump. lol. A big ol monkey wrench. And on that level, i am so loving it. Not because i want to see the church not get it. Or be in the wrong. Not at all. The deepest training wheels in my heart have been to super support ministry. My elder. etc. Its in my bone marrow. I will institutively be more about them than my own walk in life before the Lord. That was what through ministry got caught all up in my spokes. So to see this real world demo where some loud mouth clown blows into town. A billionaire playboy who thinks he knows EVERYTHING, lol, becomes the most powerful player on the planet...it does tickle, i admit. It like, "God, you are so kidding, right?" lol.
So to me, its just a way, I believe, for God to wave. Wink. And remind the world who is in charge. And yes that makes me want to worship all the more. But not Trump...lol. The one who let him into the house...lol. To see the evil run running everything i don't see as clear as understanding how sovereign God is. So i don't see what the devil is up to. I know God is sovereign. He opens the seals etc. I'm literally marveling at this in the mean time. Because for me it means that God is helping me understand His utter transcendence beyond what otherwise we try to size up. And that comforts me. Not whether America will proposer or not. But that He is the total shot caller and i kind of think all our ideas are kind of on notice. Again, huge desire to worship "Him" in that. Now if i am wrong, ok. It got me out of my shell a bit. Amen. And to me its kind of unbelievable to begin with. So if it goes a different way, no surprise. But here is the real zest i kind of sense about the whole deal. Now this does address some of your specifics.
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I have a strange alignment with how Revelation 6 works. It could be off. Sure. But my consensus was this: Not that the NWO does not get power and do all those bad things we see in Rev 6+. Just not the one's we are looking at now. Another way of saying that is: It's not the NWO that belongs to the church age i would see do the Rev 6 dance. But the one that comes BACK when we leave the joint to those who refused to believe. So when it comes to the NWO doing Rev 6 damage, i agree with you Rose. In spades. It is them. In my view, just not THIS/THEM. I'm a cessationist. So of course that could be totally wrong. But the zesty funny thing is we kind of have like a little child like nursey rhymn version of that in front of us, in the event I might be on to something. In this way:
Trump seems to be the stumbling block. For some, they are whisked away by him. For others, God can do no good with him. But if we just go by pure simple logic and simple playing field rules, this is what we have:
Trump 45, an impossibility. Sometimes foaming at the mouth. Crying about losing. So much for getting tired of winning.
B I D E N
Trump 47: Him Again? lol. Whatever he says won't be real. We know Rev 6 is more true that he. Go with Rev 6. Don't go with what Trump says.
And by that last one, some believe this is a hermeneutic by which to interpret scripture. I don't. If i am wrong, I have said so. I'm used to giving my personhood to the ministry leader. So Teren in some ways does not exactly even exists. I say that tongue-in-cheek, but painfully. Its not pretty...lol. But if i am wrong i will jump at the head of the line waging a finger at myself. NOW. Switch that. If it does this other way, how fast will evangelicalism jump at the front of their line? Maybe i am wrong. But i just don't see it. So ironically what seems to be for some in evangelicalism that because NAR is hitching themselves to Trump (and he in some ways too to them), Trump can't be a sense of the reasoned biblical future. And i understand that concern. I have lived that concern differently in my own life. "God you can't use really bad theology to constantly show me up, right?" But if God transcends, that's not really even the courtroom. Its not even in the same federal building. Its a mile away. Where He transcends, likely.
So what that looks like to me in baby formula looks like this: Just as we saw God help us see Trump win, Trump down, Trump back...i think if Trump belongs in any sense of how some might use as a backup endorsement of hermeneutic it may not be in the obvious, but would nevertheless be potentially in the simple. Simply maybe a mirror demo of NWO we see. NWO we don't. NWO back. It really could be that generically boring. But as boring or overly simplistic as that might be, it would not be obvious. Because we are looking for something different. Now i am not saying we should be looking for that. For that is a wild hair for sure. But you must admit on one level dear sister, it would explain how a swamp could be drained, and yet also a soon later pushback of said swamp return. For we just saw something in its opposite (by appearance) dance LOUDLY with court hearings, assassination attempts etc. I'm not saying this is prophecy. I am just saying we saw it. Let the record reflect. We so did see it. So the inverse of that should not come as much of a shock, right? Well, in theory I mean.
To be honest Rose, for the NWO to truly collapse on a grand scale. For America to do away with the FED. For central banking to collapse, and honest free trade be a global thing. For Israel to be a one state solution. For Israel to gain hyper speedy muscle. Yeah all of those thing could happen. And i actually think they will. All within the next 4 years? lol. I don't know. But to be honest, them happening at all still to me even in how i look at things seems to be pretty far out there. lol. But i just wanted to draft this because it is of sorts the zesty thing/theme i would just leave on the kitchen table and see if it didn't crawl away and hid under the bed or something latter.
But i just bring this up to me oh my goodness there is so much of a push for things to go a certain direction. Some might see this kind of "stay" to somewhat drive some nutz with having to triple down over here or over there. So the other and last thing i would mention from Sesame Street Twilight Zone Puppet Street Theater, is perhaps a powder puff moment. If the creator of the universe infers to reach His creation (believer and unbeliever) how might we think that to look? We have our ways of using scripture to define that. But God is the author of His word. He won't violate it. But whatever we don't know about Him is what is. So might He provide some perhaps dumbed down family photo albums we might not know how to fit nicely into an eschatological grid? I'm just saying, if Romans 1 affirms we see God enough in that to be guilty of not repenting if we did not, it might be enough too (how He works in general revelation) consider how He might also get the attention of the world that does not know Him. Just that, He...might...try...i reckon? That is rhetorical. Just throwing it out there. If i were just blurting this out there in a vacuum, i would probably need to go "see someone." But its not a vacuum. Is it? lol. Blessings.
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