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It’s Official — Trump Names Deep State Foe Kash Patel FBI Director

The appointment has been rumored ever since Donald Trump was reelected president of the United States, and on Saturday evening, he made it official: “I am proud to announce,” Trump wrote on Truth Social, “that Kashyap ‘Kash’ Patel will serve as the next Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.” This is an extraordinary and highly significant appointment, as Patel has been a harsh critic of the far-left, highly politicized and deeply corrupt FBI. A thoroughgoing housecleaning appears to be in the offing — unless the deep state that Patel will be targeting manages to defeat him in a head-on confrontation.
Trump added in his announcement:

Kash is a brilliant lawyer, investigator, and “America First” fighter who has spent his career exposing corruption, defending Justice, and protecting the American People. He played a pivotal role in uncovering the Russia, Russia, Russia Hoax, standing as an advocate for truth, accountability, and the Constitution. Kash did an incredible job during my First Term, where he served as Chief of Staff at the Department of Defense, Deputy Director of National Intelligence, and Senior Director for Counterterrorism at the National Security Council. Kash has also tried over 60 jury trials. This FBI will end the growing crime epidemic in America, dismantle the migrant criminal gangs, and stop the evil scourge of human and drug trafficking across the Border. Kash will work under our great Attorney General, Pam Bondi, to bring back Fidelity, Bravery, and Integrity to the FBI.

Patel may very well do just that. Certainly it is something he has made no secret about wanting very much to do. Back in August, Patel was asked what he would do if he did become the director of the FBI, and his answer was pure gold.

“One of my biggest personal recommendations,” Patel said, “is you shut down the FBI headquarters building and open it up the next day as the Museum of the Deep State, and you send those 7000 agents in the headquarters building down range to chase down rapists, to chase down murderers, to chase down drug traffickers and let the cops be cops on the streets across America. You keep a small contingent in Washington, DC. That’s step one.”
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I don't know anything about the people Trump is picking, I hope they're good people who will work tirelessly to unburden us from what has been: the Deep State. One figure I don't trust is Elon Musk. I hope my concerns with him prove to be unfounded. In any case, I go about my daily life doing the best I can do.
 
I don't know anything about the people Trump is picking, I hope they're good people who will work tirelessly to unburden us from what has been: the Deep State. One figure I don't trust is Elon Musk. I hope my concerns with him prove to be unfounded. In any case, I go about my daily life doing the best I can do.
The way I see it is that its not so much about trusting people. Like Trump is a mixed bag. Looking at various appointments it could go either way. It could be about levels of serious change in the country. Or it could be about less temporary damage with smoke and mirrors. Some fear its diabolical maybe. I would say with a tendency for man to be looking to see America as moral and a Christian nation, there is just something at the core of that that has me uneasy.

Obviously Christian Nationalism is obsurd. I'm not exactly talking about that, nor have concerns of that being the case. With Trump at the helm it most certainly won't be a Christian nation. But with how ecumenical blends in with senses of moral fiber into the psyche of our country, the temptation to blur ethics with true spiritual value could be just a form of virtue signalling religiously. I see that as a danger.

With Musk, it would seem him to be a man that has his own ethics. He might help shape a country comfortable in its normal sense of valor. And the tendency to override Christian value with conservative republican values I believe is a real issue these days. Beyond a Musk role in that, it would seem this is the road we are kind of going down anyway.

. . . . .

What I try and do is somewhat how the watcher world might uses a zietguist thematic to paint the picture in general as to a direction. Where I would tend to look at how God is moving things providentially more than who to trust. Because the things the nation might get caught up in, as much of a concern as some of those things should be, I don't believe it is exactly on par with how the Providence of God is indicating things in our era.

So in that sense I just kind of see people, leaders, nations as sort of playing pieces moving about to tell a story. Looking at His sovereign implications with all that. For me in that, it is just really a matter of if God is likely moving in a particular direction or not so much. When looked at in this way, there is quite a bit of clarity without it being about who I like or don't and who I trust and don't.

There is another theme I would see that would keep me kind at bay, to some degree, from being too MAGA or too overtly watcher like. Because those approaches tend to ideologically entrap our senses that likely have much more nuance than those views. God uses the things that are not to shame the things that are principle. I see a lot of that sort of thing these days. And enough so, to such a degree, that it would make sense I have significant double takes about my views on the matter. This to me implies symptoms of God using things that are not motif.

I don't pretend to know what all that exactly means. For it is almost certain that any view too locked into a level of certainty will be challenged all along the way by the things that are not principle. So I guess in general, that thing that seems to make most sense is not look so much at what seems to be right in front of us. But what narrative or story is actually being played out for us along the way. The danger there is of course potentially being led by psyops. So with that concern does "that" ever become a greater sensibility than God moving sovereignly? No. Not on paper. But it does seem to be that having a sense to land on something so as to have a measure of certaintanty to not feel fooled, to me, is actually more of a concern than something like Chrsitain Nationalism forming (to provide a contrast).

At the end of the day, I would say the need to feel one as informed enough to read tea leaves seems to be a pandemic these days. So if we take that occurrence as a staple social artifact to consider the narrative for our day, we might have a better chance at seeing true Providence. To the extent we do not consider what the trappings can be in trying to see too much, is almost certainty we will not likely be over any real target as to what the Father is doing, I believe.

Having said all of that, I don't have to trust Trump, Elon, Netanyahoo, or any major player. What is good for me to do though, I believe, in best trusting in Him, is to be as sincerely upon to His story along the way as might be available to do. Because the game of thrones we have going on itself almost insists us to perhaps. If that makes sense. Blessings.
 
for man to be looking to see America as moral and a Christian nation, there is just something at the core of that that has me uneasy.

I think the idea that we're a Christian nation is far from reality today and there's no going back to that.

Having said all of that, I don't have to trust Trump, Elon, Netanyahoo, or any major player. What is good for me to do though, I believe, in best trusting in Him, is to be as sincerely upon to His story along the way as might be available to do. Because the game of thrones we have going on itself almost insists us too perhaps. If that makes sense. Blessings.

Putting one's faith in man will lead to disappointment. That pretty much goes without saying.
 
I think the idea that we're a Christian nation is far from reality today and there's no going back to that.



Putting one's faith in man will lead to disappointment. That pretty much goes without saying.
Right. Yes. To me Christian Nationalism it never was nor will be. But I was just saying that it seems what to be on the look out for it seems these days is tendencies in our day to have conservative values blend into Christian ones and it seem like it is the same thing. I guess that is what i would see as a concern in the country. Not Christian Nationalism though. I have like 0 concern on that.

I wouldn't say though that whether a leader could or might be trusted to be the same as trusting in them though. I didn't mean you were trusting in Elon, even if he might be trusted. Heck i have great concerns about the man too. I just meant that i don't think whether Elon is trust worthy or not matters. The same kind of goes for Trump, at least for me. Because there are areas i wildly do not trust that man. So yeah i am not speaking about that in if you or me or any should trust in those guys. I guess i kind I mean that whether we can or not, does not seem to matter as much in how God might be using people is all.

Like i think the way God is going to use Elon is super huge. The way "God" is using him. There are those who would never like those terms together. I understand. I am just saying that I think the way God may likely use Elon is probably not as consistent as it might be in how much we might be able to trust him...was the sense. What seems to be more fascinating perhaps is the worlds riches man somehow might be a thing that is not. Which is a philosophical quagmire in itself. lol. Blessings.
 

Nominee for FBI director Kash Patel about Israel – ‘We need America to prioritize Israel’​

Donald Trump’s pick for FBI director Kash Patel previously described Israel as America’s best ally and said America needs to wake up and prioritize Israel and get the hostages home.


It seems to me that maybe President Trump has been awakened to the Truth of Israel as all of his picks seem to be totally for supporting Israel, to include the annexation of Israeli land not in their hands.

I do believe the next 4 years are going to be wild. In the Old Testament God's patience has finally worn out with Israel. A good (decent) King comes along and one last time God indicates he'll stay his hand but only while this King lives... after that God's wrath will come down upon Israel. I'd have to dig into the Bible to find that Scripture but I've read the account probably 50 times.

Praying that God give the US a short reprieve while the USA returns to supporting Israel big time... at least I hope we support her big time.
 

Nominee for FBI director Kash Patel about Israel – ‘We need America to prioritize Israel’​

Donald Trump’s pick for FBI director Kash Patel previously described Israel as America’s best ally and said America needs to wake up and prioritize Israel and get the hostages home.


It seems to me that maybe President Trump has been awakened to the Truth of Israel as all of his picks seem to be totally for supporting Israel, to include the annexation of Israeli land not in their hands.

I do believe the next 4 years are going to be wild. In the Old Testament God's patience has finally worn out with Israel. A good (decent) King comes along and one last time God indicates he'll stay his hand but only while this King lives... after that God's wrath will come down upon Israel. I'd have to dig into the Bible to find that Scripture but I've read the account probably 50 times.

Praying that God give the US a short reprieve while the USA returns to supporting Israel big time... at least I hope we support her big time.
Amen brother. Yeah this is kind of the sense i was implying. Wow i did not know that about Kasth. At this point what might be interesting i believe to consider is overtures and themes it would seem in our day where some of the ideas expressed in brother @Andy C ' s excellent find of article posted recently on our forum here where there can be infighting under the watcher umbrella:



And in that sense, well, some of these POVs may seem to imply certain personal sensitive spots with some. But its not meant in that way. I am trying to do what that articles suggests...that we focus on the substance and points in the views and not personally. Admittedly, some of these may seem to cross lines. I hope not to. But the actual points are about ideological focuses which can tend to be held personally. So i will do my best. But I guess the biggest paradigmatic difference between the way i am looking at things (and not just me because i think some on this forum see it like this in ways--and certainly others i have spoken to here and there outside of watcher forums see some similarities) and some of the more watcher trends of our day do meet impasse often. In order to articular that in short, there seems to be a premium on vantage points concerning America from various POVs. The first one i would call i guess...

THE IRONY EFFECT
While some are looking at MAGA and Christian Nationalism as a concern, for example...thinking we should not have our eyes on America...all the while (as i would see it) there is a tethered reality afoot. Israel. We saw Israel heightened significantly in Trump's first term:

  • Jerusalem
  • Golan Heights
  • Abraham Accords

Those are MASSIVE billboard historical moments. And yet there is no small scuttlebutt over (1) MAGA concerns, (2) Christian Nationalism concerns, and thinking (3) the US is in biblical prophecy...or not. The story goes that there are seems to be trends that are looking at all of that 1-3 and sensing from that that feel to inform why we should not be looking at that. While looking at that, affirming we should not.

Adversely, I believe that is the porridge too cold or too hot. To me, in any event. The porridge just right seems to be closer to how it simply seems aright at room temperature in being not overly focused on prophecy watching on America so much (in and for its own sake). But rather, what America seems to silhouettes about Israel.

I understand the political mojo is pretty thick in our season. And highly alluring. But to to miss that Western political movement as it relates to Isreal is missing quite a bit.
To me, likely akin to driving forward at 55 mph while looking in the rear view mirror to see in front of us. Like it just seems today in day our age that we might (for actually super great reasons) tend to allow the sizzle to potentially blur what is important about Israel and God's hand on her as it might relate. I have seen that it can get pretty bad too. Like extremely focusing on the sizzle while affirming we should not be distracted by the sizzle...all the while making the sizzle perhaps more anchor points then they be fitting best for. I believe the point is just see how God uses nation states in relation to His eye's apple, Israel. And we kind of solve the whole focus problem almost over night.


LOOKING BOTH WAYS BEFORE CROSSING
Peeps can tend to see Trump and Trump worship, and Americans making perhaps too much of "defending our nation." Or thinking MAGA is too much maybe like making Babylon Great Again or something (perhaps for some it is that). For me, i believe we well should defend our nation. But what seems to get placed into what might appear to be a vicarious blender is quite a bit of amped up concern over a Trump bible (while of course realizing there are issues with that), and MAGA, and that things have to get evil so what happens with America can't be good...kind of thing...or so it has sensed to be this way. Where in that i would just get the sense of maybe just simply realizing that God has used Isreal for 70+ years to defend and pump up Israel. It is as basic, to some degree, as looking both ways before we cross the street. And as easy as just crossing the street.


BEWILDERMENT THAT AMERICA DOES NOT HAVE TO TANK
I don't believe the prophetic solve is in the kaleidoscope though in looking at what is going on in America. I believe the solve is for Israel likely more so. But granted. America take a lot of attention for sure. I can understand why America might have a huge focus in our country on what is right for our country because of all that has been going on. But I have tended to just find trends in the watcher world that seemed stunned by America getting blessed. Or seemingly open to turning around. Or like maybe we got so used to thinking America has to tank prophetically in order for Israel to have Ez 38. But I'm of the school of thought that it does not necessarily have to tank.


I believe it can even actually become even more powerful. The sense i get from those that look at America having to tank prophetically might be getting this from not knowing what to do with America not doing anything action wise in what is written about in Ez 38 where it does not seem from the passages informing that America is around because if we were, we would have done something. And then perhaps watcher thoughts often trend toward of a view of that nature to be a form of exegesis that is derived from the text. But perhaps only really from perspective. Seeing the way America is going now (gaining power) does not look right to those that hold that view of it tanking. Instead of just maybe considering how Ez 38 might just be looking at a snapshot moment for effect, and maybe America might have done something had God not. So some factions of the watcher world can tend to reinterpret somewhat things about America instead. Whereas for me i just try and dumb it way down. Which of course may not be found in the inspired intent. But its a 50/50 whichever way we might look at it i believe.

In how I'm viewing it it would seem that God is still continuing to use America like He faithfully has over the past many decades, and it looks like He may stay that course, perhaps. But it kind of blows my mind how a sense of reading into Ez 38 that America does tank evolved into almost certainty in the views of some. It just seems that noticing perhaps how America affects Israel can be an ok place to leave it perhaps.


THE FIRST AMMENDMENT AS HATE SPEECH
There is one other thing of grand interest along these same lines i have noticed over time. In that what God may do with America is to strengthen her for cause. Yes we don't deserve it if he does. And yes we are granted a stay in that context. And yes we have bern given more time to witness, amen. But even more is how supersized He may make America to help Israel. For them perhaps to get it one last time maybe. Like maybe using America to bullhorn broadcast His heart toward Israel. I mean brother it is to such a point these days it would seem that we have changed laws in the country even to infringe upon our own 1st amendment to make antisemitic language hate speech. Do I think that is wrong? Yes. But i believe the statement it makes is more about what time it is though perhaps, and what that means than it is about the 1st amendment. If i might...

I'm kind of a social media junkie in places. And it does tend to burn me out...lol. However i love to check out what is really trending hot in the social media world. And one thing that has gotten super attention is the war between Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens. And how the issue of just how much has the Jewish lobby gotten into American journalism. It seems there are great concerns in the social media world of too much semitic power in the media, calling the shots, permitting Candace to be fired. Controlling attributes of the 1st amendment. There are extremely deep dives on this. I would just say to the degree that is a problem, amen that we should solve it constitutionally. And then there is all that money (billions) we send to Israel every year. So in a way, Israel in ways also does have a pretty good hook into America to lead her to a degree by the nose in some ways. Now consider the ramifications of that? We live at a time when in ways Israel is riding the wild stallion America. If America is the most powerful country in world history, and Israel has her reigns, what does that make Israel? I don't mean this politically and certainly not racially. What i do mean is prophetically. Just how powerful is Israel? To have an option for such world access and even to some degree dominance in this way.

Sure we see in the UN most countries in the world trying to sanction and downplay Israel. This is real. And we tend to focus on that because it seems strange and does have ties of its own how it might to prophecy. But subtly underneath the covers, Isreal is in a pretty powerful pole position. Sure we don't know which way things will turn always or exactly how it takes shape. But what i just described is also how it has "taken shape" already. And whether we are paying attention on those kinds of fronts, it is what it is. And THAT to me is social artifact ID God would want the church to consider. Since we would be the closest to know what sense it might be of. If that makes sense.

There is another thing too that is pretty cool to observe when we consider another bullhorn. For several months recently what was trending on social media was this: Christ is King. And this phrase is used by the alt right, the far extremist right, but it is also used from the conservative right. The shock waves of what this sounds like when Christian Nationalism says it is daunting. And it seems to get a lot of attention in that use. But the awesome takeaway i believe that is just sitting there on the upon plain that for some reason does not get as much notice is that Christ is King is reverberating in social media chambers upon the wings of combating Zionist overtake in media. I realize this may sound controversial but there are concerns of Zionist control over American media. We could have different views on that. But the view i find most fascinating I believe that can be derrived from that sort of social artifact is that we live in an day and age where Christ is King is contrasted with Zionism. Almost like both terms shouted loudly together mark perhaps our age at some poster modern level echo. In (1) The baton pass nearness from gentile rule to Israel up to bat, and in (2) a reminder to Israel that God promised them 1,000 year rule on earth with Christ. The poetic blend shouted from the rooftops its quite poeitic, no? Blessings.
 
But it kind of blows my mind how a sense of reading into Ez 38 that America does tank evolved into almost certainty in the views of some. It just seems that noticing perhaps how America affects Israel can be an ok place to leave it perhaps.

I think the made up presumptions by our teachers are a huge problem as far as understanding Biblical prophecy. These presumptions get set in stone especially when several teachers are saying the same thing. It's unfortunately widespread. Then additional presumptions get built on top of established presumptions and teachers get farther and farther away from the Word.

Speculation is fine but call it what it is and treat it for what it is: speculation. Where the Word is silent we should step carefully when trying to fill in those spaces.
 
I'm kind of a social media junkie in places. And it does tend to burn me out...lol. However i love to check out what is really trending hot in the social media world.
I am too. I feel that I have to watch the culture as well during these times. It’s a wild circus for sure.

I am up so late tonight catching up on all of your posts. So many good articles you all have been chewing on.
 
We recognize that God is The One Who raises up leaders and removes them, Daniel 2:21, for His purpose and as we pray that God is using this new administration for a blessing to further our Commission to evangelize and be Salt and Light to draw the unsaved to Jesus as God is patiently waiting because He wants no one to perish but for all to come to repentance and be saved.
Having a "good" leader is a blessing but it is nations that God judges.
So we pray that while we may have a little more freedom as believers to exercise our faith, that the hearts of this nation of peoples will be moved to seek God while He can be found this side of the coming Tribulation that will be more difficult to make the choice to turn to God.
Praying for our leaders in obedience to The Lord 🙏

"Seek the LORD while He may be found, Call upon Him while He is near"
Isaiah 55:6

"First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way."
1 Timothy 2:1-2
 
I am too. I feel that I have to watch the culture as well during these times. It’s a wild circus for sure.

I am up so late tonight catching up on all of your posts. So many good articles you all have been chewing on.
Thanks for the reply GLC. The best sense I can get in general when looking at the overall culturally hot items is, for me, a really healthy reminder that no matter how intriguing some of the church watcher views detail how things look to them and what categories and senses to line them up with may appear to be, there is this generically broader scope to it. In some ways that might seem to some to be a way to confuse or blur the world's perspective with biblical prophecy and perhaps make biblical prophecy a bit too earthy or like about some temporal version not so spiritual. And although there are reasonable concerns to honestly evaluate how we can tend to make providential trends into sociological case studies and spread ourselves so thin we can't see really anything anymore...lol...the thing I guess I have noticed I tend to keep running into since 2016 is this (and please note that as strange as this may sound, it is equally healthy to recognize too, I believe, how too much of this ingredient will make everything kinda tasty wrong--and, for me, too little leans us likely in flattening things out somewhat in a less than 3 or 4 dimensionally helpful perspect...perhaps not allowing enough of how God would view His creation and creation order upon His encrouching return...so I do always try to keep an open mind with all that as best as one might): How God uses Providence is as much a factor as what our current or common understanding is in how to look upon biblical prophecy. In this sense, to the degree it might, it would seem God would want His providential church to also recognize hermeneutics or hueristics that belong to Providence. Which, as controversial and evasive somewhat as is the several hermeneutics we use biblically can be debated (as there are differing opinions even in biblical hermenuetics as to which ones are best to use and where biblically), I don't recall ever running into scholarship on the hermeneutic or grammar of Providence. lol. Like that would seem far too subjective to even know where to begin.

The best I have been able to relate to is somewhat comforting in my own approaches (as feable, incomplete, confused, and challenging to me as they may be) is something that brings me back to scripture ironically:
  • Ezekiel 33:11
  • Hosea 11:9
These are not necessarily the first verses that come to mind when consdiering an oncoming apocolypse. And although even in the tribulation there would be a sense these verses somehow apply (for example God cutting the time short--Matt 24:22), they seemed to be helpful in understanding perhaps a little better the heart of God providentially interactive with His creation in the final stages of the church age. Yet when we think of eschatology, Ez 33:11 and Hosea 11:9 could be in ways the exact opposite of things we would presume to go with a 2 Tim 3:1-5 era. Like it would not seem to horseshoe in Ez 33:11 and Hosea 11:9 there. But keeping in sync with Christ's coming at an hour we do not expect, (something normally thought upon perhaps as somewhat ominous) it would seem too that hopefully getting a deeper sense of thses attributes of God might not only explain what we may term as reprieve (that America gets a president into having more order and buying us time) to actually become key foundations by which to consider how the overlay of biblical prophecy rides on its back (perhaps rather than the other way around...which might be our tendencies to apply). So like when Ez 33:11 and Hosea 11:9 can be considered as preeminent elements of eschatology, they can tend to wildly explain quite a bit in contrast to them somewhat being more or else afterthoughts to what else we might moreso presume to go with times of apocalypse.

The above might sound rather vague or like a vast open sky that may not help to get deeper clarity upon what would otherwise be considered simply looking at eschatological verses. But ironically, His majesty enshrouded in eschatology might be the most salient master key hermenuetic for end times (this side of the tribulation) there quite possibly could be. If that makes sense? For example, when we see views of believers and unbelievers and get an overview of opinion, that helps us understand that there are colloquial customs of thoughts. Sometimes they are more than that. But sometimes they might be mostly that. And seeing that from a 30,000 foot view tends to help see them for at least contemporary ideas of our age. So like conventional thoughts of America has to tank or can't be around seems to be a pretty common theme in eschatology today. To the degree it might be a norm of sorts, perhaps is to the degree it might also be recognized as indicating maybe its tremdously ironic opposite (Ez 33:11 and Hosea 11:9 finding a nestled home in antithesis). Making in part a way to perceive God's character in Providence beyond common views we might otherwise hold about end times. So doing my best to describe what might be the closest kind of thing I can think of to define, providential hermenuetics. Sorry for the wordiness. Its not, for me, the easiest thing to express as it has its potholes likely. Thanks for reading all that. Blessings.
 
Thanks for the reply GLC. The best sense I can get in general when looking at the overall culturally hot items is, for me, a really healthy reminder that no matter how intriguing some of the church watcher views detail how things look to them and what categories and senses to line them up with may appear to be, there is this generically broader scope to it. In some ways that might seem to some to be a way to confuse or blur the world's perspective with biblical prophecy and perhaps make biblical prophecy a bit too earthy or like about some temporal version not so spiritual. And although there are reasonable concerns to honestly evaluate how we can tend to make providential trends into sociological case studies and spread ourselves so thin we can't see really anything anymore...lol...the thing I guess I have noticed I tend to keep running into since 2016 is this (and please note that as strange as this may sound, it is equally healthy to recognize too, I believe, how too much of this ingredient will make everything kinda tasty wrong--and, for me, too little leans us likely in flattening things out somewhat in a less than 3 or 4 dimensionally helpful perspect...perhaps not allowing enough of how God would view His creation and creation order upon His encrouching return...so I do always try to keep an open mind with all that as best as one might): How God uses Providence is as much a factor as what our current or common understanding is in how to look upon biblical prophecy. In this sense, to the degree it might, it would seem God would want His providential church to also recognize hermeneutics or hueristics that belong to Providence. Which, as controversial and evasive somewhat as is the several hermeneutics we use biblically can be debated (as there are differing opinions even in biblical hermenuetics as to which ones are best to use and where biblically), I don't recall ever running into scholarship on the hermeneutic or grammar of Providence. lol. Like that would seem far too subjective to even know where to begin.

The best I have been able to relate to is somewhat comforting in my own approaches (as feable, incomplete, confused, and challenging to me as they may be) is something that brings me back to scripture ironically:
  • Ezekiel 33:11
  • Hosea 11:9
These are not necessarily the first verses that come to mind when consdiering an oncoming apocolypse. And although even in the tribulation there would be a sense these verses somehow apply (for example God cutting the time short--Matt 24:22), they seemed to be helpful in understanding perhaps a little better the heart of God providentially interactive with His creation in the final stages of the church age. Yet when we think of eschatology, Ez 33:11 and Hosea 11:9 could be in ways the exact opposite of things we would presume to go with a 2 Tim 3:1-5 era. Like it would not seem to horseshoe in Ez 33:11 and Hosea 11:9 there. But keeping in sync with Christ's coming at an hour we do not expect, (something normally thought upon perhaps as somewhat ominous) it would seem too that hopefully getting a deeper sense of thses attributes of God might not only explain what we may term as reprieve (that America gets a president into having more order and buying us time) to actually become key foundations by which to consider how the overlay of biblical prophecy rides on its back (perhaps rather than the other way around...which might be our tendencies to apply). So like when Ez 33:11 and Hosea 11:9 can be considered as preeminent elements of eschatology, they can tend to wildly explain quite a bit in contrast to them somewhat being more or else after thoughts to what else we might moreso presume to go with times of apocalypse.

The above might sound rather vague or like a vast open sky that may not help to get deeper clarity upon what would otherwise be considered simply looking at eschatological verses. But ironically, His majesty enshrouded in eschatology might be the most salient master key hermenuetic for end times (this side of the tribulation) there quite possibly could be. If that makes sense? For example, when we see views of believers and unbelievers and get an overview of opinion, that helps us understand that there are colloquial customs of thoughts. Sometimes they are more than that. But sometimes they might be mostly that. And seeing that from a 30,000 foot view tends to help see them for at least contemporary ideas of our age. So like conventional thoughts of America has to tank or can't be around seems to be a pretty common theme in eschatology today. To the degree it might be a norm of sorts, perhaps is to the degree it might also be recognized as indicated maybe its tremdously ironic opposite (Ez 33:11 and Hosea 11:9 finding a nestled home in antithesis). Making in part a way to perceive God's character in Providence beyond common views we might otherwise hold. So doing my best to describe what might be the closest kind of thing I can think of to define, providential hermenuetics. Sorry for the wordiness. Its not, for me, the easiest thing to express as it has its potholes likely. Thanks for reading all that. Blessings.
Even the most theologically educated eschatology teachers can get things wrong because we all miss the mark, all flesh is fallen.
But God's Word is Never wrong and what He says will not return void but will accomplish what He sets out to do. Isaiah 55:11.
We can learn much from prophecy teachers but it's our responsibility to be as the Bereans and look into God's Word to see if what we hear is true. As flawed humans, even our teachers, can and do potentially fail, but God never fails and the more we lean not on our understanding but look to God to give us discernment to understand, He will make His Word clear and there will be no need for debate.
Just saying....
God bless 🙂
 
Good point on this by you both . It’s not a requirement. So enjoy the reprieve

Amen. And to the extent this is God's unmerited favor, amen. I can appreciate that. And I do consider that there is mercy, kindness, and a great grace of God to lets say not super judge America. We deserve He might. And His realtime "stay" on our nation is something, as we just had Thanksgiving...to be thankful for. Amen.

Even if we look over the cooridors of time, I believe it is still good to see His grace all along the way. Why would He permit such grace as to make this country the most powerful country known to human history? It is a great grace to consider and walk in His goodness over. Amen.

And I think it is good to be reminded of this. Because in times like these, we might be focused on so many other things too. It would seem of course though most profound that we be thankful especially in times like these.

When we get excited about things eschatologically, sometimes the simple beautiful sweetness of His favor might tend to be overshadowed by the theater playing out in front of us. But as I shared in my other post, Ez and Hosea as end time fabric would seem to as well keep a watchful eye perhaps in how the mercy demonstrated to us in practical terms this election cycle winks also at just how deep and vast an ocean depth He may be all about that aside from its current episode.

In some ways I am jealous to see our current trend as His mercy. I can sense there is freshness in awakening to it in real time afresh and anew. Amen. I say "jealous" just meaning like I admire the experience. And see in part I could be more impacted by that. For it is a good thing to be impacted by. In some ways, I believe it might be more special and more honorable and more blessed to know very little from an eschatological perspective. And rather just experience the lovely gales of His winds of mercy upon our faces. That is to be highly cherished. Amen.

However we might discover His grace, mercy, and kindness anew, and even consider what looked liked we could have just sank into the ocean as a nation metaphorically, what I am reminded of is something I remember when I had some detailed studies on the origins of America. Even back to the first president, Washingon, I remember coming across a letter he wrote mentioning how America should be a haven for the Jews who had suffered in various other cultures over the centuries. And a rest for them from such wanderings in diverse cultures not always so friendly toward them. And I wonder if maybe in part this is why America has flourished as it has over the centuries. That we had it in developing notions to be a reprieve for the Jews. And then of course ironically see a greater extension of America being such a bullwork backbone in defense of Israel for so many decades. Which would also, no matter how we slice it, be a grace. Because we could have been a people like any others over centuries that demonstrated more humanity in governance than the era of kings and queens. That America be found (based on her foundation upon religious freedom) to consider the essence of religious freedom (that we are free to express our faith toward God without oppression) and extend that sensibility to the Jews. For it would seem fitting, as sin ridden as America can be, that we also were graced by God to have such profound thought upon religious freedom which in its honest attributes naturally have a diligence of offer of it also to the Jews. I mean in regards to our formation, that we might be a people that would exercise intent to that end.

I was never interested in eschatology for like 25 years. Not the slightest. But as I noticed things around 2016 that seemed to be off in our world, I did find myself wondering. If I were to guess a most poetic license use of Ezekiel 33:11/Hosea 11:9 in our context today, it would seem that a constitution that enabled organic real and sacrifical endeavor toward Israel to be somewhat a thing perhaps to be on display before a hurting and uncertain world. Something like if the US Constitution afforded empathetic heart toward wandering Israel in America's foundation, it might also be something perhaps even more cherishable in defense of her (Israel) in times coming close to a very difficult obstacle course she soon will face. And as much as we might see it beneficially a reprise for us, perhaps all the more for Israel...in part because of us. This is almost like a politically incorrect way it would seem to notice. But nevertheless it would seem to be something to take note of. And particularly so if Israel is in cue to absolutely benefit from it. Which would in some ways describe our current context, no doubt.

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For me it had not been so much a surprise. I would imagine it to have been a surprise to me had I discovered that America tanks without any horizon to heal. Not so much because we are America and deserve to be the champions of the world or something (which reminds me of an essay called Saudi's in Bikinis -- a very well crafted literary homage to the reasons why America should cease and disist any imperialistic thought). But more so I reckon from the place of understanding that God might bring Israel to a more solid place. One of the more memorable people I met while posting at JDF was a man that went by the avatar name, Uturn. I actually came to JDF because of JD's stance on Ez 38 in late teens of the 21st century. His updates were really interesting on that. Coming from an American Reformed background of not really noticing all that much about Ez 37. So it was rather eye opening for me to consider a potential of Ez 38. So I guess on that note it seemed fitting that as JD had leaned in other direction and focus Uturn arrived on the scene. A man who tracked Ez 38 developments forming by thousands and thousands of datapoints, demonstrating how things are taking shape and how close we might be. I guess in an overall respect, I would say the overarching theme while at JDF for 4 years seem to be most accented by an Ez 38 like theme.

And although we tend to associate this event for Israel in perspectives of apocalyptic occurrence, it has been interesting to note that it is the most detailed section of scripture dealing with any one prophecy. And it would seem so, if it were to be that which might have significant weight in how it might anchor our age in the providential journey through prophecy. Like lets say if we had nothing else clear, what could be most clear would be rubber meets the road connections discoverable by world events demonstrating a trackable map of perhaps things most evident to discover about our age...and timing. And I guess having been kind of somewhat stuck in that mindset, I also become aware of how things might pertain to that event.

We know Israel will be hit by Ez 38 when it is settled and not at war. So any notions of maybe seeing it suddenly occur now would seem to be somewhat premature. But on some level it would make sense if things settle down for them sometime soon. And they are more so in a posture of rest, that they might in that peace and safety be the most vulnerable. Their peace and safety no doubt would on its face be a real peace and reprieve. A solace and sanctuary. And in that respect this somewhat caused me too to wonder if what in some eschatological views known as "false peace" might actually be this same reprieve for Israel approaching. With that as a hypothesis, working backward, it would make sense America would be made great again. As a mercy from God, amen. But it would seem perhaps as a mercy and moreso perhaps for Israel. And if all of that is leading into a peace and safety for them, knowing what likely follows soon thereafter, it likely be another grand overture of Ez 38 formation along the way.

And since we don't know exact rapture timing, should the Lord tarry long enough for the church to witness this, it would seem possibly for cause that God extend and afford Israel quite a reprieve in considering their true Messiah. One last great time before they be exposed to their 70th week. I mean it would make sense that God offer to Israel a chance not to go there. We know prophetically most of Israel will. But this whole thing makes me somewhat wonder if Israel might have a unique opportunity to rapture with the church. Generally we look at rapture timing as when the last gentile repents. And from our POV this makes sense. But since Israel is back on the map and back in some significant ways, it would seem too perhaps that maybe a rapture delay be as much for Israel as it would have been thought to be for the last gentile. And this kind of brings overtones of Romans 11 into view perhaps. That it would be ironic to see a rapture in the context of gentiles, while perhaps its timing most profoundly imbedded in the most impossible of options. So that Israel have unprecedented opportunity to rapture themselves. It almost feels like I am writing a comic strip irony in expressing it this way. But as inaccurate as this view may be, is at least in how much sense a view like this might resonate though too.

In that respect, it would have been a shock to me had not America the runway to improve. While much of watcherdom awaits a collapsing of America and resurgence of Europe, we get Trump and MAGA. Like some eschatological party crasher...lol. I laugh because it does seem on some level (should this be in any arena as true) an "of course" palm slap to the forehead that God would be like this. Which also brings some overtures in contrast to my Americanized version of the Reformed perspective. Where the insistence was upon a lofty thought, that God would even dare care for such a sinner as I. And not that He should. But what seemed to be somewhat missing in that dance, for me (over time) was that of course-ness of a God that sacrificially gave us Jesus Christ--would, of course, care. For it was the most intimate revealing of who the Father is in the Son. Consistent with One who seeks 1 lost and leaves the 99. In that POV, yeah, I guess it would be more of a shock to have shown His Son to us and then was not all that interested in His creation and their salvation. I mean when looked at in this way, its like impossible that God would not. So if this is making sense on some level, this is where I might parlay something of this signature type into the US Constitution as it relates to Israel and their protection, survival, and flourishing. Like on some level, not to be presumptuous (because we may not know what we may not know), there is a particular essence of what I have come to term the "of course-ness of God," as an end time providential hermeneutic of sorts I guess. So I reckon, seeing too presumptively like that can lead the flesh to Christian Nationalism. And maybe making no room for this leads to all eyes on Satan "potential?" But for me while I was traveling the USA trucking, in the mid teens of the 21st century (like a year before I began to consider eschatology) I came across an emphasis on 2 kings 13:14-19. Recognizing that much of my Christian life had been under a similar banner of walking by faith to be desired, it became painstaking clear that there is absolutely not just an "of course-ness" to Him, likely...but something maybe light years beyond that even it would seem (Hebrews 2:3-4 comes to mind). So naturally, as struck to the heart over my own life realizing I did not shoot many arrows into the ground, subconsciously (I imagine) also considered this radiance of His heart in end times. Not something considered as much. And when it seems it has, NAR is more than happy to take it into the next country and make a Christian Nation out of it. While the conscientious believer might look at NAR and say, "Wow those horses. This is the same presumption of Isreal in the first century." And this would be reasonable to be opposite toward. But if Ez 33:11, and Hosea 11:9, and Heb 2:3-4 including 1 Kings 13:14-19 are on the table and might have weight in our day, we know what it doesn't look like as NAR is wearing. But it just seemed to be something somewhat more connected to a Romans 11 providential mirror, than perhaps a tribulation mirror. Perhaps something potentially found between those two metaphoric pieces might just be (Gen 15:17) God passing between them. As JD is known for saying..."That's my story...and I'm sticking to it." lol.

Although I am always open for other. Or more conventional. Worst case scenario perhaps is to see America made great again, and let that just be the story. As grateful we may be, amen. This may be enough. For maybe we won't see days beyond that. But I just see a lot of controversy over the USA affirming why we should not make it such a focus (which I find ironic). And from the looks of things may likely be a blinding focus. So as not to get hopefully all caught up in that, I try to see things creatively. Maybe too much so. But we did not cause ourselves to be born at such a time as this. Only God knows. I guess we'll see. Thanks so much for letting me ramble. But if I am anywhere at all near being over "some" target, it would just seem to be a fitting time also to post a little "the things that are not" like motif graffiti. The pun there being America being "not" by being great again...lol. Wow. If nothing else, it would seem the irony is rich. Blessing much. :)
 
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