Billboards Declare ‘Israel Is Ready’ as Coalition Pushes for Saudi Normalization

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Massive billboards featuring US President Donald Trump and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman shaking hands against an Israeli flag have gone up across Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, and Washington, DC marking the first time a Saudi leader has appeared on billboards in Israel. The campaign led by the Coalition for Regional Security declares “We Are Ready” and “Israel Is Ready” calling for decisive US leadership to finalize Saudi-Israel normalization as part of the broader Abraham Shield Plan, a strategic initiative aimed at countering regional threats and securing long-term peace in the Middle East.

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[Tall Timbers]

I must be missing something. I don't see the benefit to Israel with "normalization" with Saudi Arabia. I don't think that would lead the other players in the region to "normalize" with Israel, though I think that's the hope.

 

[Kaatje]

I think "Israel is ready" means they are tired of war.
They want peace and security, and with the help of Trump they want to achieve that.

Sadly, when peace and security arrive, it will be only for a short while.
Until "sudden destruction".

 

[TCC]

I think "Israel is ready" means they are tired of war.
They want peace and security, and with the help of Trump they want to achieve that.

Sadly, when peace and security arrive, it will be only for a short while.
Until "sudden destruction".

I can only Imagine Uturn's experience right now. He must be really pumped. Bless him where-ever he may be fellowshipping right now. This looks like the direction everything is heading. With all the varying eschatololigical views that have come down the pike over the past few years, it would seem likely at this point that Uturn was seeing things more clearly than most (especially during all the confusion from Oct 7). Bill Salus had some interesting observations, but I had to scratch my head to remember...what Psalm was that again? lol Oh yeah...83. While we were on JDF and journeyed through a time of many years of so many different views about the direction of the WHO and passports, the collapse of the USA, UN COP 28, Christian Nationalism, etc etc etc...at the dend of the day...amidst so many voices...wow...it looks like Uturn (amidst quite a bit of opposition I might ad) seems to have been seeing things most plainly. Wow.

You know Kaatje, at a time when so many promiment voices see what they see, jockey for an end time seat at the table, write books, have sermon series, have conferences, get tracking in social media, and our well meant good faith interests and to a degree I reckon "pomp and circumstance," I find it somewhat chilling in a good way that some how we bumped into a man along the way who joyfully studied in extremely great detail, and was right. lol. That among so many voices and controversies, Uturn turns out to likely not just be most right, but in my heart of hearts am very blessed to have been granted help to see Ez 38 and 39 chapters in Ezekiel to be THE preeminent furnace by night and pillar of cloud by day prophecy key for how to understand "everything else." And of all the camps we might have fallen in, that God so provided opportunities to rub shoulders with one who, in my perspective (as it relates to prophesy proper) knew the God of Hagar who understood Him as the God who sees. It is somewhat almost surreal at this point...lol. Wow. So blessed to have known you through those years dear saint. And how much God's smile was in all that. Amazing. Blessings.

 

[Kaatje]

I can only Imagine Uturn's experience right now. He must be really pumped. Bless him where-ever he may be fellowshipping right now. This looks like the direction everything is heading. With all the varying eschatololigical views that have come down the pike over the past few years, it would seem likely at this point that Uturn was seeing things more clearly than most

Yes, I've been thinking about him a lot. He truly was on the right track AND timeline.
He always said the prophetic timeline would come together in 2025.
Even when I had such high hopes in the years before.
And now we are here, in 2025. Wow!

And yes, he was such a critic of Bill Salus ("Bill of Sales" ).
And again, Uturn had the right of it. Truly remarkable.

You're right, it is almost surreal.
And for a time we were witnesses of his knowledge and insight.

Bless him, wherever he is, and bless you for all those years watching and waiting together.
I hope and pray we will all meet UP soon and very soon.
You, me, Uturn, TruthBeJesus, PaidinFull and all the saints, here on CCF, and everywhere.
Maranatha!

 

[soli_Deo_gloria]

I wonder if 2025 will end before we see the Peace Accords expanded?
Or will another war break out in Israel? Many are waiting for Psalm 83 to be fulfilled.

The scenario below is what the BubbaNews channel on Telegram presented on October 1st, so this brother believes that a war (Psalm 83) is still very likely:

“1 year ago today, Iran launched 200 ballistic missiles at Israel in reply to the assassination of Hassan Nasrallah, as well as the assassination of Ismail Haniyeh on Iranian soil.

Iran managed 20-30 direct hits on Nevatim Base in southern Israel.

Yes, and when Israel in the United States attacks Iran, and especially the Western one third called ELAM, I can totally see Iran unleashing a huge barrage of ballistic missiles in waves over, went over, and over again, which will totally overwhelmed the Israeli air defense systems.

I do expect this attack on ELAM and other places in Iran over the next 4–7 days.

Iran Will attack Israel very hard this next time. Unfortunately, Israel, take a huge beating!

This will eventually lead Israel into destroy the BUSHEHR nuclear power plant,in ELAM, on the coast of the Persian Gulf. AND IN LESS THAN 2–4 DAYS, THE RADIATION WILL SPREAD ACROSS THE PERSIAN GULF TO HIT THE UAE, BAHRAIN, QATAR, SAUDI ARABIA, AND OMAN.

THIS WILL THEN SET THE STAGE FOR THE PSALM 83 WAR”

 

[TCC]

I'm not a big Psalm 83 war fan. But it will be interesting to see if something like that occurs. For those interested or considering the Psalm 83 war, I understand the excitement, amen. I never really understood Bill Salus's comprehensive break down of all of that. So i will rely on those into the Psalm 83 war to see if something like that is actually occured. My general take on it is that I don't view that Psalm as indicative of a war. But if it had, seem to have stretched itself over the timespan of 1948 and throughout several of the Israeli wars thereafter. To me, it just seems more so to fit all those decades much cleaner.

I'm kind of stuck on Ez 38...lol. Which of course might make a blind spot for me. But I think that is why America is getting stronger and on the come back big time. Because Israel needs to get to peace and safety status. I understand Salus sees a Psalm 83 war, then an Ez 38 war. All those moving pieces is a bit much for me....lol. I am not as seasoned as what prophecy are considered already having occurred and what are still left open ended.

I guess just in general that it would not seem likely under the Abraham Accords that an Psalm 83 war would come out of that. However, anything is possible i suppose. I've heard like Zechariah 12 stated alot in terms of what we see with Israel. But I'm not really sure where to put that either. Most have suggested at the end of the tribulation. I kind of go with that. But in some ways that does not seem to fit exactly. It would seem on some level that Zechariah 12 would come into play in our age. But how something like that works up against Ez 38 potential is a bit hard to grasp. Alternatively, does anyone have ideas of how Zechariah 12 is seen in the Psalm 83 war perspective? Blessings.

 

[Margery]

I'm not a big Psalm 83 war fan. But it will be interesting to see if something like that occurs. For those interested or considering the Psalm 83 war, I understand the excitement, amen. I never really understood Bill Salus's comprehensive break down of all of that. So i will rely on those into the Psalm 83 war to see if something like that is actually occured. My general take on it is that I don't view that Psalm as indicative of a war. But if it had, seem to have stretched itself over the timespan of 1948 and throughout several of the Israeli wars thereafter. To me, it just seems more so to fit all those decades much cleaner.

I'm kind of stuck on Ez 38...lol. Which of course might make a blind spot for me. But I think that is why America is getting stronger and on the come back big time. Because Israel needs to get to peace and safety status. I understand Salus sees a Psalm 83 war, then an Ez 38 war. All those moving pieces is a bit much for me....lol. I am not as seasoned as what prophecy are considered already having occurred and what are still left open ended.

I guess just in general that it would not seem likely under the Abraham Accords that an Psalm 83 war would come out of that. However, anything is possible i suppose. I've heard like Zechariah 12 stated alot in terms of what we see with Israel. But I'm not really sure where to put that either. Most have suggested at the end of the tribulation. I kind of go with that. But in some ways that does not seem to fit exactly. It would seem on some level that Zechariah 12 would come into play in our age. But how something like that works up against Ez 38 potential is a bit hard to grasp. Alternatively, does anyone have ideas of how Zechariah 12 is seen in the Psalm 83 war perspective? Blessings.

I hear you TCC!

Psalm 83
I go back and forth on the Psalm 83 stuff, and I STILL think that a better set of the same nations and prophecies are found in Isaiah 17 (Damascus), Jeremiah 49 and Ezekiel 32:17-32 all of which cover the same groups, but show different aspects of how Israel might get to the place where the inner ring of enemies are dealt with. It is interesting how Ezek 32 talks about terrorism (causing terror in the land of the living). (v 17 begins a new vision, which is the one in question)


Ezek 38
I'm with you in Ez 38. To me the reason these others above matter is because they might be the way Israel arrives at that peace and security precondition for Ezek 38. But God may have something different that causes that peace and security, living without walls or gates on the Mountains of Israel, a term that applies to the area of Judea and Samaria, aka The West Bank!!!


Abe Accords
As for the Abe Accords, that looks more to me like Sheba and Dedan getting together in an economic partnership with Israel. At no point has this ever been a peace treaty, it's an agreement to exchange diplomats, normalize diplomatic relations with Israel, and pursue economic projects together.

It would certainly fit with the question posed by Sheba and Dedan plus Tarshish and her young lions (cubs, merchants, villages). They are fussing at Russia Iran and Turkey etc about finances.


Zech 12
Zech 12 to me sounds like the end of the Trib. In general the nations are always gathering against Israel, but at that time it's really savage and with lethal intent.

And 2 clues. ALL the nations. ALL. No exceptions. This is NOT Ez 38 where Sheba, Dedan and Tarshish and her cubs hold back and question Russia - that means they aren't there with the invaders. But by the time of Zech 12 they are there besieging Jerusalem.

And the end of Zech 12 places it squarely in the end of the Trib, just before Israel looks on Him who they pierced. That happens at the Second Coming, not the Rapture, not sometime in the Trib but at the very end.

I don't see Psalm 83 as part of Zech 12 because of the limited number of nations inside Psalm 83. Zech 12 has ALL the nations against Jerusalem.

 

[soli_Deo_gloria]

I'm not a big Psalm 83 war fan. But it will be interesting to see if something like that occurs. For those interested or considering the Psalm 83 war, I understand the excitement, amen. I never really understood Bill Salus's comprehensive break down of all of that. So i will rely on those into the Psalm 83 war to see if something like that is actually occured. My general take on it is that I don't view that Psalm as indicative of a war. But if it had, seem to have stretched itself over the timespan of 1948 and throughout several of the Israeli wars thereafter. To me, it just seems more so to fit all those decades much cleaner.

I'm kind of stuck on Ez 38...lol. Which of course might make a blind spot for me. But I think that is why America is getting stronger and on the come back big time. Because Israel needs to get to peace and safety status. I understand Salus sees a Psalm 83 war, then an Ez 38 war. All those moving pieces is a bit much for me....lol. I am not as seasoned as what prophecy are considered already having occurred and what are still left open ended.

I guess just in general that it would not seem likely under the Abraham Accords that an Psalm 83 war would come out of that. However, anything is possible i suppose. I've heard like Zechariah 12 stated alot in terms of what we see with Israel. But I'm not really sure where to put that either. Most have suggested at the end of the tribulation. I kind of go with that. But in some ways that does not seem to fit exactly. It would seem on some level that Zechariah 12 would come into play in our age. But how something like that works up against Ez 38 potential is a bit hard to grasp. Alternatively, does anyone have ideas of how Zechariah 12 is seen in the Psalm 83 war perspective? Blessings.

In light of 1 Thessalonians 5:3, it seems to me that peace is the next step rather than another war. But we wait to see what will happen in the end.

“For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.”
‭‭I Thessalonians‬ ‭5‬:‭3‬

 

[soli_Deo_gloria]

I hear you TCC!

Psalm 83
I go back and forth on the Psalm 83 stuff, and I STILL think that a better set of the same nations and prophecies are found in Isaiah 17 (Damascus), Jeremiah 49 and Ezekiel 32:17-32 all of which cover the same groups, but show different aspects of how Israel might get to the place where the inner ring of enemies are dealt with. It is interesting how Ezek 32 talks about terrorism (causing terror in the land of the living). (v 17 begins a new vision, which is the one in question)


Ezek 38
I'm with you in Ez 38. To me the reason these others above matter is because they might be the way Israel arrives at that peace and security precondition for Ezek 38. But God may have something different that causes that peace and security, living without walls or gates on the Mountains of Israel, a term that applies to the area of Judea and Samaria, aka The West Bank!!!


Abe Accords
As for the Abe Accords, that looks more to me like Sheba and Dedan getting together in an economic partnership with Israel. At no point has this ever been a peace treaty, it's an agreement to exchange diplomats, normalize diplomatic relations with Israel, and pursue economic projects together.

It would certainly fit with the question posed by Sheba and Dedan plus Tarshish and her young lions (cubs, merchants, villages). They are fussing at Russia Iran and Turkey etc about finances.


Zech 12
Zech 12 to me sounds like the end of the Trib. In general the nations are always gathering against Israel, but at that time it's really savage and with lethal intent.

And 2 clues. ALL the nations. ALL. No exceptions. This is NOT Ez 38 where Sheba, Dedan and Tarshish and her cubs hold back and question Russia - that means they aren't there with the invaders. But by the time of Zech 12 they are there besieging Jerusalem.

And the end of Zech 12 places it squarely in the end of the Trib, just before Israel looks on Him who they pierced. That happens at the Second Coming, not the Rapture, not sometime in the Trib but at the very end.

I don't see Psalm 83 as part of Zech 12 because of the limited number of nations inside Psalm 83. Zech 12 has ALL the nations against Jerusalem.

Thank you for the clarification re the Abraham Accords. They are better described as a normalization of (diplomatic and economic) relations indeed.

 

[Margery]

In light of 1 Thessalonians 5:3, it seems to me that peace is the next step rather than another war. But we wait to see what will happen in the end.

“For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.”
‭‭I Thessalonians‬ ‭5‬:‭3‬

good point.

Wars and rumours of wars till the end. Peace and security or safety are a particular moment just before that sudden destruction. People are always talking about Peace and safety so I've speculated that there has to be something unique to this particular cry for peace and safety.

A sign that is repeated all the time at every UN meeting, and every attempt at peace around the world over the centuries loses it's meaning as a sign unless it's tied to something significant. Like Israel.

Since prophecy revolves around Israel, and there are no prophecies yet to be fulfilled before the Rapture of the Church, I began to wonder if it's something to do with Israel expecting Peace and Safety or in a state of Peace and Safety.

I don't know if it's connected but that phrase or a variation occurs 4 x in Ezek 38 & 39 regarding Israel in a false sense of peace and safety just before the invasion force of Ezek 38. And once more for the gentiles - dealing with those who live in security on the coastlands (the word implies far lands bordered by coastlines) plus the people of Magog. Those 2 gentile groups get fire from God on them.

Ezek 38:

8 After many days you will be visited. In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely.

11 You will say, ‘I will go up against a land of unwalled villages; I will go to a peaceful people, who dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates’

14 “Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “On that day when My people Israel dwell safely, will you not know it?

Ezek 39:

6 “And I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in security in the coastlands. Then they shall know that I am the Lord.

26 after they have borne their shame, and all their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, when they dwelt safely in their own land and no one made them afraid.

Ezek 38 is full of the tension between the expectation of peace and safety or security, and God's sudden fury at those who disturb Israel's sense of peace and safety.

When I saw that, I've wondered ever since if the passage that you mention in 1 Thess 5:3 might be a subtle reference to Ezek 38.

 

[TCC]

I hear you TCC!

Psalm 83
I go back and forth on the Psalm 83 stuff, and I STILL think that a better set of the same nations and prophecies are found in Isaiah 17 (Damascus), Jeremiah 49 and Ezekiel 32:17-32 all of which cover the same groups, but show different aspects of how Israel might get to the place where the inner ring of enemies are dealt with. It is interesting how Ezek 32 talks about terrorism (causing terror in the land of the living). (v 17 begins a new vision, which is the one in question)


Ezek 38
I'm with you in Ez 38. To me the reason these others above matter is because they might be the way Israel arrives at that peace and security precondition for Ezek 38. But God may have something different that causes that peace and security, living without walls or gates on the Mountains of Israel, a term that applies to the area of Judea and Samaria, aka The West Bank!!!


Abe Accords
As for the Abe Accords, that looks more to me like Sheba and Dedan getting together in an economic partnership with Israel. At no point has this ever been a peace treaty, it's an agreement to exchange diplomats, normalize diplomatic relations with Israel, and pursue economic projects together.

It would certainly fit with the question posed by Sheba and Dedan plus Tarshish and her young lions (cubs, merchants, villages). They are fussing at Russia Iran and Turkey etc about finances.


Zech 12
Zech 12 to me sounds like the end of the Trib. In general the nations are always gathering against Israel, but at that time it's really savage and with lethal intent.

And 2 clues. ALL the nations. ALL. No exceptions. This is NOT Ez 38 where Sheba, Dedan and Tarshish and her cubs hold back and question Russia - that means they aren't there with the invaders. But by the time of Zech 12 they are there besieging Jerusalem.

And the end of Zech 12 places it squarely in the end of the Trib, just before Israel looks on Him who they pierced. That happens at the Second Coming, not the Rapture, not sometime in the Trib but at the very end.

I don't see Psalm 83 as part of Zech 12 because of the limited number of nations inside Psalm 83. Zech 12 has ALL the nations against Jerusalem.

Wow thanks Margery. It makes a lot of sense, your point about Zech 12 at the very end of trib. Lately i have grown fond of the consideration of the Feast of Trumpets being that Sign of the Son of Man mourning in Rev. And demonstrated here too. Which, yes, links Zech 12 Jerusalem to the last days of the tribulation. I know I'm the only one with that idea about FOT, but just my thing. The important thing here though is that you linked Zech timeframe with Armageddon...and yeah it makes sense with the mourning...amen. It also makes sense with Megiddo mentioned in the very text. The Valley of Decision.

What I always wondered and had to finally ask a ministry in 2018 i trusted, Rock Harbor Church, was "How do the Jews get back into Jerusalem since the AC is stalking them the whole second half? Ok so what I am about to share here is brand new, as of 30 seconds ago...first time this thought came to me. So i hope it demonstrates I'm perhaps not as chomping at the bit as i might seem perhaps in contrary ways swimming upstream from generic evangelical beast system hand wringing. But here it is:

So I asked Rock Harbor Church how Jews get back into Israel? Where do we see them do that during the "2nd Half/Jacobs Trouble" timeframe of the tribulation? They could not answer that. I don't think anyone can. Here is the 30 second old thought with that: Keep in mind that if the Jews gets back into Jerusalem during the 2nd half of the tribulation--this Zech 12 scene would only form had they been there at least a little while. And if they were there for a little while, this would be during and under the 4th beast governance. Global AC control. And yet, lol, Jews slip back into Israel and form commerce enough for the world to take notice and hate on them EVEN THOUGH THE BEAST SYSTEM IS AT FULL FORCE.

So the treasure there is that Daniel's statue feet of clay and iron seem to resonate as spotty control throughout the world. Even under the most brutal rulership. So, i get the sense that today what seems Christian watcher pop-culture does is this: We ham WAY UP the beast system and full on demonic radical deception thick pea soup gross icky sticky rule in our very faces. And we almost seem to want to make like our own personal little franchise...and rub it like Alladin's lamp...so that as evil seeps out from it through our fingers we know we see the truth. And then we wake up and, head scratch, "uh, duh, george, what? The Jews rule Israel during the most monstrous version of the beast system? Duh, i think george yur readin a diffrent bible. That's not in my bible." That's why i fly with American Trump Airlines, who taketh over the world to echo Israel's one final moment--where we have bookend first class seats at seeing a mirror image of Israel 7 years later from then in Zech 12 status at the end, you betchya baby. lol. Ok, there. Had to get that out of my system.

lol. So yeah i dunno, maybe if we see book end like it would make sense in how to line things up. Just a thought. But yeah that bolded moment here, I mean think about it dear sister...we have the tribulation starting on the wings of Ez 38 where the whole world knows God did that. Said no one ever. Then at the end while we are all cyborgs and have no mind of our own...somehow, the AC in stalking Israel lost them so badly them snook back into to their homeland, took it over, and started selling tickets out the back door while AC had no idea the whole world was like mad at how successful AGAIN Israel was becoming...right under his most celebrated beast system watch timeframe. Whatever that tastes like in a soup, I am so so game.

But on a closing note, wow, such rich and beautiful thoughts dear sister. It's not exactly iron sharpening iron, but it is some form of Christ beatification going on here. Amen. And, blessings.

 

[TCC]

In light of 1 Thessalonians 5:3, it seems to me that peace is the next step rather than another war. But we wait to see what will happen in the end.

“For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.”
‭‭I Thessalonians‬ ‭5‬:‭3‬

Thanks. We all have slight nuances. Mine is that 1 Thes is speaking of Israel. In contrast to the church rapture. We rapture, and Israel gets assaulted. This is how it seems to me. The more conventional view is that the whole world is trapped in the tribulation. Not my view. But some well respected pastors like Tom Hughes does not see that as church/israel contrast. Do you have a preference?

 

[TCC]

good point.

Wars and rumours of wars till the end. Peace and security or safety are a particular moment just before that sudden destruction. People are always talking about Peace and safety so I've speculated that there has to be something unique to this particular cry for peace and safety.

A sign that is repeated all the time at every UN meeting, and every attempt at peace around the world over the centuries loses it's meaning as a sign unless it's tied to something significant. Like Israel.

Since prophecy revolves around Israel, and there are no prophecies yet to be fulfilled before the Rapture of the Church, I began to wonder if it's something to do with Israel expecting Peace and Safety or in a state of Peace and Safety.

I don't know if it's connected but that phrase or a variation occurs 4 x in Ezek 38 & 39 regarding Israel in a false sense of peace and safety just before the invasion force of Ezek 38. And once more for the gentiles - dealing with those who live in security on the coastlands (the word implies far lands bordered by coastlines) plus the people of Magog. Those 2 gentile groups get fire from God on them.

Ezek 38:

8 After many days you will be visited. In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely.

11 You will say, ‘I will go up against a land of unwalled villages; I will go to a peaceful people, who dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates’

14 “Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “On that day when My people Israel dwell safely, will you not know it?

Ezek 39:

6 “And I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in security in the coastlands. Then they shall know that I am the Lord.

26 after they have borne their shame, and all their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, when they dwelt safely in their own land and no one made them afraid.

Ezek 38 is full of the tension between the expectation of peace and safety or security, and God's sudden fury at those who disturb Israel's sense of peace and safety.

When I saw that, I've wondered ever since if the passage that you mention in 1 Thess 5:3 might be a subtle reference to Ezek 38.

Amen. I would see this too. But the way i would express it is a little differently. We are use to hearing false peace. So i understand it could be viewed this way, amen. But I actually use an entirely different credit card...lol. Kind of like it is coming from a bit of a different source. Now this may sound naive. It may sound like a 3rd grader answer...lol....so I am ok with looking like that if it shows. But what I believe is the cause of Israel's peace and safety before Ez 38 is not something false. Yes, something apocalyptic for sure. But like instead of false i would see it as a sample. Like at Costco. Where there is that sample person on the end of every isle? And if you like it, you can go find that item and buy a bunch of it. So i kind of see the peace and safety of Israel as a "sliver" sample of the 1,000 year reign of Israel.

Now i know what you are thinking. Well i don't, but lets just go with it if i might. Teren you're thinking that there is some big ol MAGA 1,000 year reign SUPER SAMPLE where NAR's 7 Mountain Mandate evolves...just before the rapture, right? Well no. That is not how i would put it. Although when we think of what i am saying it tends yes to look like that. But instead. No. Like this: Israel is supernaturally brought back to her homeland. Deals with age of grace/partial hardened hearted survival only to arrive at a time where they know, God Himself, must be involved in permitting them such authority in the world. I mean come on. Trump just left Egypt where ALL the major nation players came together to what? Talk about the future of Israel. lol.

So right there, we are already kind of in the thralls of it. Empire Israel. The little pebble sized nation. So yeah, its just i would see them as experiencing a taste of what God promised to them. Like He is allowing Israel in their disobedience and in their unbelief to be reminded of what is on the other side of what they would surely want to miss if they could just understand what God wants to give them and who He actually is. Like all of a sudden we marry into a super wealthy family. Even the worldly would say to themselves, "The gods must love me." How much more, Israel, who had had a past with a real god? The One and Only God? So yeah, that is why i would not see it as false. But understand how it is meant that way. It's just that if the rapture is the end point of that, then for those Jews who believe, it was not false at all. If it goes down like that, that is.

Again, thanks Margary for sharing your heart and thoughts. These are kind of the days to do this sort of thing. So bless your heart dear sister for engaging. Amen.

 

[soli_Deo_gloria]

Thanks. We all have slight nuances. Mine is that 1 Thes is speaking of Israel. In contrast to the church rapture. We rapture, and Israel gets assaulted. This is how it seems to me. The more conventional view is that the whole world is trapped in the tribulation. Not my view. But some well respected pastors like Tom Hughes does not see that as church/israel contrast. Do you have a preference?

I think it is very possible that that passage in 1 Thessalonians 5:3 has Israel in the spotlight. I see no problem with that interpretation, so it may be a very good interpretation even as far as we, the Church of Christ are concerned because for us, the Church, Israel is a great, if not the greatest, sign of the end times.

You are not the only one who sees that Paul’s epistles to the Thessalonians have Israel in the spotlight.
Mondo Gonzales of Prophecy Watchers sees the same thing. So if it warms you up lol that someone else is of the same opinion, then you can enjoy that. For example, Mondo interprets the Greek word “apostasia” in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 as referring primarily to Israel.

You were asking me what my preference is… My preference is to be on the right track with any interpretation of the Bible; to be in the truth because there is a lot of deceptive teaching in the world today.

 

[soli_Deo_gloria]

Yes, I've been thinking about him a lot. He truly was on the right track AND timeline.
He always said the prophetic timeline would come together in 2025.
Even when I had such high hopes in the years before.
And now we are here, in 2025. Wow!

And yes, he was such a critic of Bill Salus ("Bill of Sales" ).
And again, Uturn had the right of it. Truly remarkable.

You're right, it is almost surreal.
And for a time we were witnesses of his knowledge and insight.

Bless him, wherever he is, and bless you for all those years watching and waiting together.
I hope and pray we will all meet UP soon and very soon.
You, me, Uturn, TruthBeJesus, PaidinFull and all the saints, here on CCF, and everywhere.
Maranatha!

What does it mean that the prophetic timeline will come together in 2025?

I ask because we are nearing the end of 2025.

 

[soli_Deo_gloria]

I think it is very possible that that passage in 1 Thessalonians 5:3 has Israel in the spotlight. I see no problem with that interpretation, so it may be a very good interpretation even as far as we, the Church of Christ are concerned because for us, the Church, Israel is a great, if not the greatest, sign of the end times.

You are not the only one who sees that Paul’s epistles to the Thessalonians have Israel in the spotlight.
Mondo Gonzales of Prophecy Watchers sees the same thing. So if it warms you up lol that someone else is of the same opinion, then you can enjoy that. For example, Mondo interprets the Greek word “apostasia” in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 as referring primarily to Israel.

You were asking me what my preference is… My preference is to be on the right track with any interpretation of the Bible; to be in the truth because there is a lot of deceptive teaching in the world today.

Thanks. We all have slight nuances. Mine is that 1 Thes is speaking of Israel. In contrast to the church rapture. We rapture, and Israel gets assaulted. This is how it seems to me. The more conventional view is that the whole world is trapped in the tribulation. Not my view. But some well respected pastors like Tom Hughes does not see that as church/israel contrast. Do you have a preference?

I realized I did not include Mondo’s exposition of the “Apostasy”. Here’s the link to it:

Apostasy - The Prophecy Watchers

Is the apostasy of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 referring to a spiritual rebellion of the Church? Is it a rebellion of the Jewish people? Or is […]

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Apostasy​

by: Mondo Gonzales on October 1, 2024
Is the apostasy of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 referring to a spiritual rebellion of the Church? Is it a rebellion of the Jewish people? Or is it in reference to the physical departure of the rapture?

 

[Hol]

The campaign led by the Coalition for Regional Security declares “We Are Ready” and “Israel Is Ready” calling for decisive US leadership to finalize Saudi-Israel normalization as part of the broader Abraham Shield Plan, a strategic initiative aimed at countering regional threats and securing long-term peace in the Middle East.

Though I seldom express this thought here, and our sis @KMendel may be shocked, but I’ve got to say that I get troubled when Israel leans on the US, coming under the shadow of our wing. I pray they will stop doing that. How many disciplines has Israel taken because they looked to Egypt for help?

As a supporter of MAGA, I optimistically hope & pray that we’re being used by God to further His will in Israel, and not a version of Egypt.

 

[Margery]

I just saw a barn burner speech by Michelle Bachman this morning, given in the last few days. Jack Hibbs was beside her at some conference. It was being replayed by Yishai Fleisher so I don't have links to the original.

It was amazing.

Yishai is a very conservative religious Jew living near Hebron in the "west bank" area of Judea. He was so impressed by Michelle, her knowledge of the Bible (esp his part, the OT) and her powerful support of Israel's right to the land including Judea, Samaria and Gaza.

What struck me is the legacy that Michelle's speech will leave long after the Rapture. There are Jews now like Yishai who see the unbending unwavering support of real Bible believers for Israel and their right to the land.

I was left wondering if Yishai will be one of the Jews to accept his Messiah and ours after the Rapture due to this kind of support.

Loved it.

Here it is on Yishai's YT: - YouTube

and if anyone can find that original I'd love to see it. I'm busy today so I'm not going headfirst into a search to retrieve Michelle's original at whatever conference she was at with Jack Hibbs.

 

[mattfivefour]

I tried to watch it, but it says the video was removed by the uploader.