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Australia most populous state makes certain prayers illegal!

mattfivefour

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April 10

As Vice President J.D. Vance warns about the suppression of Christians’ free speech rights, a new law in a Western nation makes “praying with or over a person” in some circumstances “unlawful even if that person has asked you to pray for them.” Making the wrong kind of intercession for someone in this U.S. ally could land a believer up to five years in prison.

The government of the Australian state of New South Wales (NSW) explains the newly enacted Conversion Practices Ban Act 2024 allows “prayer” or expression of any “religious belief” only if it is not “directed to changing or suppressing an individual’s sexual orientation or gender identity.” The bill — which took effect last Friday, April 4 — bans any speech the government classifies as attempting to change someone’s LGBTQIA2S+ status, with a maximum penalty of “imprisonment for 5 years.”

“The Conversion Practices Ban Act 2024 does not prohibit prayer. However, praying with or over a person with the intent to change or suppress their sexuality or gender identity is unlawful. It is unlawful even if that person has asked you to pray for them to be able to change or suppress their sexuality or gender identity,” explains Anti-Discrimination NSW, the state government body that fields discrimination complaints under the law. (It also has “investigation, education and research functions.”)

Christian clergy have the right to make “statements of belief or principle about gender, sexuality, marriage, celibacy or homosexuality in documentation or on a website” or to hold studies about those topics — but only “as long as the statement is not targeted at an individual to change or suppress their sexual orientation or gender identity.”

Presumably, the law would criminalize someone who said a word as short as “repent.”

These kinds of “prayer or pastoral conversations” are “damaging to the whole community,” states an explainer video from Anti-Discrimination NSW. “Faith and [LGBTW] identity are not mutually exclusive.”

“This is a terrible new law in this Australian state, and they aren’t even trying to hide it,” Arielle Del Turco, director of the Center for Religious Liberty at Family Research Council and co-author of “Heroic Faith: Hope Amid Global Persecution,” told The Washington Stand. “According to the state government’s own admission from their website, this law will prevent a pastor or any believer from praying with someone who is asking for prayer for freedom from gender identity issues.”

“What right does this state government have to ban someone from praying for a person who is specifically asking for it?” asked Del Turco. “It’s difficult to think of a more obvious violation of religious freedom.”

Lawmakers rushed the bill through the assembly with just 24 hours deliberation, according to Christian Schools Australia. Chris Minns, premier (governor) of New South Wales and a member of the Labour Party, signed it. Alex Greenwich, an independent member of the Legislative Assembly who identifies as LGBT, authored the bill in the name of “equality,” insisting, “We should not have a situation where children are being told something is wrong with them and that they need to be fixed.”

“This isn’t equality. This is a radical apostasy law — criminalising conversion one way while promoting it the other,” agreed Kurt Mahlburg, a writer for the Australian Christian website, The Daily Declaration. He cited a number of Bible verses instructing believers to repent and change their ways (1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Ephesians 4:22-24; and Colossians 3:5-10).

The bill comes as Vice President J.D. Vance warned of the West’s “backslide away from conscience rights” and “deterioration of fundamental freedoms” at the Munich Security Conference on February 14. He specifically stated that multiple European governments’ have “placed the basic liberties of religious [believers] in the crosshairs.”

For instance, the Scottish government sent a letter threatening any resident who prays “in a private place (such as a house)” if the prayers “can be seen or heard” within a free speech restriction zone that surrounds abortion facilities. The government will punish such prayers if the Christian is deemed to have prayed “intentionally or recklessly.”

Del Turco chronicled numerous additional instances in a new FRC study released last week titled “Is Prayer a Crime? Government Restrictions on Prayer in Europe.” Her report highlighted the stories of eight British Christians arrested for praying outside abortion facilities, often silently.

Similar “conversion therapy” bans may be coming throughout the West. Laying out the legislative priorities of Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s Labour Party, King Charles announced in his King’s Speech last summer, “A draft bill will be brought forward to ban conversion practices.”

“The Christian Institute has obtained legal advice from leading King’s Counsel on every attempt to legislate for conversion therapy in the UK and every time those KCs have advised that there are multiple risks to the human rights of innocent parents, pastors and professionals,” explained The Christian Institute’s Deputy Director Simon Calvert. “Extending the law to criminalise casual conversations — as anti-conversion therapy activists have demanded — would punish the innocent, not the guilty.”

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen has also promoted a so-called “conversion therapy” ban in a letter last September 17 “promoting equality and inclusion.” She wrote that “equality in all of its senses” must include eradicating all forms of “harassment ... including online,” and “banning the practice of conversion therapy.” She also called for “resolute actions to address discrimination[and] hate speech.”

A total of 22 U.S. states make it illegal to practice reparative therapy: California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Utah, Virginia, Vermont, and Washington. So does the District of Columbia. But thanks to the First Amendment, none do — or can — presume to regulate the content of people’s prayers.

New South Wales is Australia’s most populous state, with approximately one-third of the nation’s population.

Reprinted by kind permission of the Washington Stand, the publishing arm if the Family Research Council.
 
This again is just another example of the depravity of this world. :doh:
We're rapidly moving into very dangerous territory with the thought police thinking they can legislate away the very means of communication that God gave us to be in fellowship with Him.

IIRC there were a couple of woman who were arrested and charged with praying outside of abortion clinics not too long ago.

If praying is going to become a crime then Hi Ho, Hi Ho, it's off to jail I go!
 
This really disturbed me , on top of this the highly populated Muslim suburb of Lakemba ( Suburb in my state of NSW)now wants to publicly have muslim prayers going over a speaker and have said it won't be that bad, it's equivalent to Churches ringing their church bells.

So our Premiere is going to impose this prayer thing on Christians but i can bet my bottom dollar hes going to allow the public muslim prayers from the mosques to be played over loud speaker in the suburb of Lakemba !!!
 
aid it won't be that bad, it's equivalent to Churches ringing their church bells.

Churches aren't known for ringing church bells in the middle of the night, unless there is an extenuating circumstance of some kind.

The demonically inspired regimen of public speaker assisted prayer times upsets the natural order that God gave us. Try getting a good night of uninterrupted sleep if you're within earshot of that islamic petitioning...
 
I almost got in big trouble at my work about 8 years ago when a patient asked me to pray for her and so I stopped right there in the hallway and did. The administrator came out of her office and llooked at me. I said “I’m just praying” and she glared at me and said “And I’m just watching.” I prayed for about 30 more seconds with her standing there watching, as I was determined to finish it. If the patient had not requested prayer I'm sure I would have been canned.
 
Churches aren't known for ringing church bells in the middle of the night, unless there is an extenuating circumstance of some kind.

The demonically inspired regimen of public speaker assisted prayer times upsets the natural order that God gave us. Try getting a good night of uninterrupted sleep if you're within earshot of that islamic petitioning...

The first call to blasphemy is supposedly 0600 hours or sunrise, depending on the locale.

I suppose that means only once a day in some places during winter :lol:


Even in the ME, I didn't hear any calls to blasphemy at night.

Bet there was a sorts of prayer at night, though. Gunfire and minefields :) and an occasional errant camel, sheep, or goat. If it was a camel, usually a bedouin trying to catch it since very valuable, and didn't want it stepping on a mine or getting hit by a vehicle.
 
If I remember correctly, I was awakened by the call to prayer twice during normal sleeping hours. Which country I was in at the time... I don't remember.

Maybe the call to blasphemy was being used to call the terrorists to someplace for something, and not for its usual purpose.
It probably wouldn't have been good to be so blatant as to get on the minaret PA or have the caller up there intone, "All jihadis go to HQ and pick up martyrdom attire" :lol:
 
Maybe the call to blasphemy was being used to call the terrorists to someplace for something, and not for its usual purpose.
It probably wouldn't have been good to be so blatant as to get on the minaret PA or have the caller up there intone, "All jihadis go to HQ and pick up martyrdom attire" :lol:

It was the same every night I was wherever I was.
 
This really disturbed me , on top of this the highly populated Muslim suburb of Lakemba ( Suburb in my state of NSW)now wants to publicly have muslim prayers going over a speaker and have said it won't be that bad, it's equivalent to Churches ringing their church bells.

So our Premiere is going to impose this prayer thing on Christians but i can bet my bottom dollar hes going to allow the public muslim prayers from the mosques to be played over loud speaker in the suburb of Lakemba !!!

Perhaps churches should sing out Christian prayers over loudspeakers.....in Arabic.

Sigh.....praying for the people of Australia. You know, people sometimes take for granted that which has seemingly always been around.

Perhaps this will serve as a wake up call, a jolt to the people of Australia to really think about where they stand spiritually.

They are a pleasant people and beautiful land......as with all nations, God desires many there to be saved from His wrath through faith in Jesus' work on the cross in payment on our behalf, for our sins.

Perhaps this is God's mercy to bring spiritual matters in the forefront of people's thoughts to consider their eternal futures. To also wake those in the Church who are snoozing (not all are) instead of actively serving the Lord. :pray:

May God use this for His sovereign plans and for people's wonderful good. :pray:
 
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