Are the Last Days Now On Hold? Are we in the dawn of a Golden Age for America?

[Margery]

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Jan Markell explores this topic with Mark Henry in Part 1. It's not a long video - just under an hour but I'll put time stamps here and also note that a transcript is available. Click on the description box, scroll down to the Transcript button and you can read it.

It's podcast style, so you don't have to watch the video, just listen to get the information.

Numbers are the time stamps:

Start: both Jan and Amir start off by explaining they think Trump is way better than Kamala Harris or his other rivals. They also clearly separate the issues of Trump as President going to Saudi Arabia to drum up business with the special role of protection for Israel.

4:22 has the golden age begun? Is Satan's role in the last days on hold for now while Trump is in office?

5:12 Mark Henry is introduced by Jan and his part of the podcast begins acknowledging that every Presidency begins with high hopes and lots of promises.

8:01 "what's unique about this situation" begins to delve into the question Jan headlines with.

9:10 how America is absent from the Ezek 38 picture, allowing the invaders to come down into Israel. Why that fits with aspects of what we are seeing happening right now. Israel is living IN PEACE- and Mark and Jan discuss the fact that Trump is working towards a peace plan for Israel but somehow by Ezek 38, America is out of the picture. How Trump might be the reason for that peace, but that the globalist aims and goals have not changed, whether working from the right or the left of the aisle in politics.

12:04 The globalists had an agenda that went AGAINST Bible prophecy. The WEF was trying to put China in place as the global superpower and take America out. Trump turned that plan around to the opposite. This is where the China sanctions and tariffs come into the picture. I thought this was a particularly interesting insight. I don't know how they came to that conclusion because I haven't looked at the WEF in relation to China, but it makes sense with what has gone on.

Instead Europe has to be placed in the position of future superpower, and again, TRUMP is doing exactly that!!!

12:29 Productivity and the emphasis have to go back to Europe and the Middle East for the Bible prophecies to be fulfilled and that is exactly what we see. This will allow the AC to arise.

12:47-12:54 Super important point about the way things were going regards China and why TRUMP HAD to do what he did.

14:35 pulling back from discussion of the Millennium, back to Amir's opening thoughts and why his trip to Saudi was important from a business perspective- Amir lightly touches on how this is helping Israel stand on her own as Trump told Yemen America didn't care who they hit as long as it wasn't Americans.

Israel can now hit whoever they like without trying to coordinate it with America.

19:02 Amir discusses a warning from Bill Koenig about America's continuing alignment with the Arab states whose core idealogy is not aligned with America's Judeo Christian foundations.

19:21 Jan turns back to Mark Henry and discusses Genesis 12:3 Those who bless Israel are blessed....those who curse Israel are cursed.

They discuss how that plays out with Trump trying to reverse a trend of economic ruin that previous presidents put into play.

21:48 they point to how Trump constantly ties things to normalizing relations with Israel.

22:31 Jan brings up Tucker Carlson and his antisemitic stuff.

24:54 Jan talking with Mark Henry about the clip they played, talking about antisemitism in the right wing.

27:17 Part 2 This might interest @Spartan Sprinter as it gets off on a discussion of their recent conference in Australia, what are some of the challenges there for the body of Christ living in Australia.

but first they launch into a discussion with Mondo Gonzales and Billy Crone. The talk goes off into AI, brain chips, Elon Musk etc.

30:28 back to the discussion about the Australia trip.

The topic goes to the Laodicean church and how it's flourishing all over. Technology, witchcraft, lawlessness etc. Darkening of the culture.

BUT also Signs of hope, points of light as home fellowships are springing up in remote areas.

Right towards the end of part 2

@52:25 Billy Crone brings up the topic of Trump as a Lightning Rod topic. Either people are so far on one side or the other that they can't see the truth somewhere in the middle. That if you like something Trump did- you voted for evil, and if you didn't like something he did, that somehow you are out to get him. Billy asks WHY is it "illegal" to talk about how Trump may be pushing forward Biblical prophetic stuff, both "good" and "bad". He makes the point that Christians had no problem talking about how Biden fit into pushing forward certain aspects for prophetic stuff.

Billy winds up by saying we need to keep focused on the Bible, and on reaching the lost around us for Christ.

Billy ends the broadcast with an altar call.

 

[Spartan Sprinter]

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Jan Markell explores this topic with Mark Henry in Part 1. It's not a long video - just under an hour but I'll put time stamps here and also note that a transcript is available. Click on the description box, scroll down to the Transcript button and you can read it.

It's podcast style, so you don't have to watch the video, just listen to get the information.

Numbers are the time stamps:

Start: both Jan and Amir start off by explaining they think Trump is way better than Kamala Harris or his other rivals. They also clearly separate the issues of Trump as President going to Saudi Arabia to drum up business with the special role of protection for Israel.

4:22 has the golden age begun? Is Satan's role in the last days on hold for now while Trump is in office?

5:12 Mark Henry is introduced by Jan and his part of the podcast begins acknowledging that every Presidency begins with high hopes and lots of promises.

8:01 "what's unique about this situation" begins to delve into the question Jan headlines with.

9:10 how America is absent from the Ezek 38 picture, allowing the invaders to come down into Israel. Why that fits with aspects of what we are seeing happening right now. Israel is living IN PEACE- and Mark and Jan discuss the fact that Trump is working towards a peace plan for Israel but somehow by Ezek 38, America is out of the picture. How Trump might be the reason for that peace, but that the globalist aims and goals have not changed, whether working from the right or the left of the aisle in politics.

12:04 The globalists had an agenda that went AGAINST Bible prophecy. The WEF was trying to put China in place as the global superpower and take America out. Trump turned that plan around to the opposite. This is where the China sanctions and tariffs come into the picture. I thought this was a particularly interesting insight. I don't know how they came to that conclusion because I haven't looked at the WEF in relation to China, but it makes sense with what has gone on.

Instead Europe has to be placed in the position of future superpower, and again, TRUMP is doing exactly that!!!

12:29 Productivity and the emphasis have to go back to Europe and the Middle East for the Bible prophecies to be fulfilled and that is exactly what we see. This will allow the AC to arise.

12:47-12:54 Super important point about the way things were going regards China and why TRUMP HAD to do what he did.

14:35 pulling back from discussion of the Millennium, back to Amir's opening thoughts and why his trip to Saudi was important from a business perspective- Amir lightly touches on how this is helping Israel stand on her own as Trump told Yemen America didn't care who they hit as long as it wasn't Americans.

Israel can now hit whoever they like without trying to coordinate it with America.

19:02 Amir discusses a warning from Bill Koenig about America's continuing alignment with the Arab states whose core idealogy is not aligned with America's Judeo Christian foundations.

19:21 Jan turns back to Mark Henry and discusses Genesis 12:3 Those who bless Israel are blessed....those who curse Israel are cursed.

They discuss how that plays out with Trump trying to reverse a trend of economic ruin that previous presidents put into play.

21:48 they point to how Trump constantly ties things to normalizing relations with Israel.

22:31 Jan brings up Tucker Carlson and his antisemitic stuff.

24:54 Jan talking with Mark Henry about the clip they played, talking about antisemitism in the right wing.

27:17 Part 2 This might interest @Spartan Sprinter as it gets off on a discussion of their recent conference in Australia, what are some of the challenges there for the body of Christ living in Australia.

but first they launch into a discussion with Mondo Gonzales and Billy Crone. The talk goes off into AI, brain chips, Elon Musk etc.

30:28 back to the discussion about the Australia trip.

The topic goes to the Laodicean church and how it's flourishing all over. Technology, witchcraft, lawlessness etc. Darkening of the culture.

BUT also Signs of hope, points of light as home fellowships are springing up in remote areas.

Right towards the end of part 2

@52:25 Billy Crone brings up the topic of Trump as a Lightning Rod topic. Either people are so far on one side or the other that they can't see the truth somewhere in the middle. That if you like something Trump did- you voted for evil, and if you didn't like something he did, that somehow you are out to get him. Billy asks WHY is it "illegal" to talk about how Trump may be pushing forward Biblical prophetic stuff, both "good" and "bad". He makes the point that Christians had no problem talking about how Biden fit into pushing forward certain aspects for prophetic stuff.

Billy winds up by saying we need to keep focused on the Bible, and on reaching the lost around us for Christ.

Billy ends the broadcast with an altar call.

That biohacker guy reminds me of that verse where a guy tells of how he has plans for the future and God says that person is a fool and he's going to die tomorrow.

That guy is going to insane lenghths to live forever, it's quite sad

 

[Hol]

Margery, your timestamp notes are excellent, thank you!

The little church I attend has a mix of conservatives and liberals, all ages. There's a small group of us who have met Saturday mornings for years in prayer. Anyone can come but it's only about a dozen of us. We vary in our political views and aren't a clique of friends.

Given that small sample size, it's easy to see how much relief we all feel since Trump won the election. I look back to how we as Christians under the nightmare dictates of Biden/Harris were distressed, depressed, crying out to God. Now we have happy things to share and more prayers for regular health issues.

I try and pray daily for each of you at CCF who are living under oppressive liberal governments, and this for all of us:

...we need to keep focused on the Bible, and on reaching the lost around us for Christ.

 

[Tall Timbers]

If the judiciary and legislature of the US Fed govmint wasn't so corrupt, I think we might be able to have a bit of a golden age. I remember how quickly things changed for the worse after diben took office and went to work reversing/stopping all the good stuff that Trump did during his first term.

Right now all the good stuff that the Executive Branch is trying to accomplish is being slowed to a crawl by our enemies. The chances of globalists taking the country over again after Trump is pretty good I think, not because the people will vote for that but because there is so much room for fraudulent voting in the US that doesn't appear to be getting much in the way of attention to prevent fraudulent voting in the future.

So, whatever Trump does accomplish this round will likely be reversed/ended shortly after his term is over and once again our enemies will rush to catch up with their timeline just like they did last time.

I do hope that our govmint cleans itself up, gets rid of the corrupt, upholds the rule of law, and works for its citizens... but I see that as unlikely.

 

[Margery]

So, whatever Trump does accomplish this round will likely be reversed/ended shortly after his term is over and once again our enemies will rush to catch up with their timeline just like they did last time.

I so agree, 100% with everything you said, but this stands out

The timeline.

God's reprieve in this area is a reflection of His holding back the tide of evil while the last few things get done before the next round. Whether the next round of evil occurs while we are still here, or if (as I hope and pray) the Rapture takes us before we have to see that is up to God.

The executive orders that Trump is using to accomplish what he can will be reversed by the next president if there is a backlash, and even if Vance should make it in to continue this, the enemy is never sitting back waiting for his moment, he is preparing.

Trump's value lies in his unpredictable nature. Nobody was able to predict him and that led to his ability to do some things no other president since Reagan has done. The swamp wasn't ready.

This time round I notice aspects of the swamp on the right (the antisemites) pushing their agenda, but I think the bulk of the swampwork will occur after the midterms and especially after Trump's presidency is done.

This is not victory, this is a temporary reprieve, and Trump is making things happen as fast as possible before the swamp can catch up.

My thoughts on the matter. Not a Golden Age, but the Rapture coming up fast - If we were speeding down the highway, it's the next exit sign coming up.

 

[TCC]

If the judiciary and legislature of the US Fed govmint wasn't so corrupt, I think we might be able to have a bit of a golden age. I remember how quickly things changed for the worse after diben took office and went to work reversing/stopping all the good stuff that Trump did during his first term.

Right now all the good stuff that the Executive Branch is trying to accomplish is being slowed to a crawl by our enemies. The chances of globalists taking the country over again after Trump is pretty good I think, not because the people will vote for that but because there is so much room for fraudulent voting in the US that doesn't appear to be getting much in the way of attention to prevent fraudulent voting in the future.

So, whatever Trump does accomplish this round will likely be reversed/ended shortly after his term is over and once again our enemies will rush to catch up with their timeline just like they did last time.

I do hope that our govmint cleans itself up, gets rid of the corrupt, upholds the rule of law, and works for its citizens... but I see that as unlikely.

There is a recent Jimmy Dore video out talking about the Trump bill that just past and how it adds to deficit and empowers the Pentagon. And looks to be that Trump bill "is" the uniparty. It is moments like this that sometimes has me wonder if the Hagelian Dialectic views that are increasing are more accurate than I would guess. That is a separate issue than "is there a uni-party?" Since JFK assassination, it would appear both left and right share in the globlalists uniparty. That is certain. I think the question is: "Are there real factions moving away from that in the political arena." And I believe there is. But you have to do A LOT of work to see it. lol.

My question is not so much if some golden age puts end times on hold so much (because I would actually see a golden age as a stamp of certainty of end times), but if old chewing gum flat tire syndrome sets in where America just implodes because we never really take it out of globalist hands. And if true, then to some true degree, Trump would be a useful tool for globalism. Because short of eradicating it is to cause it to flourish.

I think you are correct TT that right now (or the way things may be trending), to me, we have not even really gotten off the ground to deal with globalist strongholds on the country. So yeah, it would be seamlessly easy for globalism to flourish after Trump by todays standards. However, the sense I generally have about our times, for me, is only considering politics as relevant to a degree. Used like to inform and highlight. Yes, to carry out transitions, but for globalism to be removed from the USA would have to be an act of God. No man or party could weather that. It's the antient freight train of fallen natural order coming home. And as we near a time in the tribulation where we know there will be something like that, it would take an act of God to upend it temporarily.

In this sense when John Macarthur and JD Farag both have said in the past that America is over (in different ways), a part from "but God," they would be right. They would be the sage view of the age. And short of charactorizing their views of America as "if God does not intervene," they are remarkably silent on that potential. As is the whole of evangelicalism. For the most part. Like I have mentioned several times, the general views we have on this forum of end times is where I would otherwise be had it not been for what appears to be a super ripe time for "But God." Not out of desperation of uncertainty, but because of how things have gone, clues given at the pedestrian level, and remarkable anomalies like a Trump (not to mention the shaping of the middle east as well as Ez 38 ever falling into place simultanously).

Macarthur sees America not coming back because of Romans 1. And once we hit wokedom, it is irreversible. JD Farag's right concerns over Trumps COVID vaccine stants Is what I believe has him seeing what he does. Since JD understood his role in much of this as the anti-vaccine pastor, and Trump's warp speed with the vaccine, that, to JD, is the opera introduction of lead role in this saga (Trump the alchemist--i used that in hyperbole). And Pastor JD sees his role with helping people not get the vax and Trump having overseen its fast track as irreversible certainties that absolutely affirm for him some certain doom of America (not to mention dividing Jerusalem up with his deal of the century offer). So both of these men see the end of America from different vantage points. I concur with both on some levels regardless. But ultimately, I believe they both leave out "but God." Which if for the reasons I believe are true, is ironic in JD's case. Blessings.

 

[Tall Timbers]

It is moments like this that sometimes has me wonder if the Hagelian Dialectic views that are increasing are more accurate than I would guess.

 

[TCC]

I so agree, 100% with everything you said, but this stands out

The timeline.

God's reprieve in this area is a reflection of His holding back the tide of evil while the last few things get done before the next round. Whether the next round of evil occurs while we are still here, or if (as I hope and pray) the Rapture takes us before we have to see that is up to God.

The executive orders that Trump is using to accomplish what he can will be reversed by the next president if there is a backlash, and even if Vance should make it in to continue this, the enemy is never sitting back waiting for his moment, he is preparing.

Trump's value lies in his unpredictable nature. Nobody was able to predict him and that led to his ability to do some things no other president since Reagan has done. The swamp wasn't ready.

This time round I notice aspects of the swamp on the right (the antisemites) pushing their agenda, but I think the bulk of the swampwork will occur after the midterms and especially after Trump's presidency is done.

This is not victory, this is a temporary reprieve, and Trump is making things happen as fast as possible before the swamp can catch up.

My thoughts on the matter. Not a Golden Age, but the Rapture coming up fast - If we were speeding down the highway, it's the next exit sign coming up.

QUESTION: Can there be a golden age and it be temporary in your view? The reason I ask this is because to me it would make sense for end times to come upon the wings of everyone seeing what they think is the way to look at things simultanously. And that is pretty much what we see in evangelicalism. With that there are themes of "false peace" and the AC. So the way I might look at something like this is that there could be a golden age and it is temporary. If we have one no doubt many will be looking for AC covenant likely. The 1,000 year reign is temporal. But its not false though because it is temporal.

From what I have seen it would seem that the concept of "temporal" can tend to be very important in eschatology because it can't just go on and on like that with no tribulaiton. But just like without an act of God America tanks, so too, I believe, the concept of "golden age" or "reprieve" can have its own authentic value and meaning beyond it just being temporal. And example would be that globalism might be pushed back enough to "literally" matter for a moment. And in that prophecy is fulfilled. Which would mean reprieve having as much a purpose as our sense to factor in its temporal length in time.

One of the reasons I would differ let's say with JD Farag is that nothing Trump does is favored as prophesy. Yet, that is already not accurate, because on Purim in 2019, Trump, affirmed the Golan Heights for Israel. This mountain range area brings into possibility that Ez 38 is approaching (prior to that, the mountain mentions in Ez 38 would have seemed out of place for where Israel was prior). So in that same sense, evangelicalism not seeing Trump too much (or America) in prophetic terms (as you awesome OP details), seems to be a blind spot of sorts. It's just seemed to me that over time, I have heard a lot about false this or that. And temporary this or that. And its not that I disagree. I believe when the AC comes there will be a whole lotta false...lol. And I also agree that what is hyper-temporary is best to be understood in that light, amen. But because something is brief I don't believe takes away some innate atonomy perhaps included in those temporal events. Like the Abrhama Accords are temporal. But they seem to "not falsely" bring conditions for Israel to normalize. What I mean by "not falsely" is just that what they were set up to do they genuinely did. Provide a context for normalization. In most cases forced by economics. But at any point in any political agreement, temporality and tentitiveness in it is a given. Israel, for example, only remains in her current form for a set number of decades. Yet we would not call that though, false Israel. They were with us for decades because of how that fit prophecy legitimately.

So just saying stuff like that as a means of not to alter the import on how temporal things can or might be. But just saying these things because it just seems like the importance that might come or link to prophetic significance is not something in any of us that comes naturally...lol. To see something that nuanced would be for our generation something we would have need to do. Because regardless of how this all plays out and when, at the end of the day we know where we have arrived. And its ear mark?" If nuance were a superhero, he'd be 2025 Blessings.

 

[Margery]

I think the question is: "Are there real factions moving away from that in the political arena." And I believe there is. But you have to do A LOT of work to see it. lol.

Nope, not a lot of work to see it. It's quite clear that the swamp is on both sides of the aisle. No Hegelian dialectic required. Just a working knowledge of the Bible.

Very clear that God is allowing situations both on the Right wing and the Left to fulfill prophetic scenarios so we can know we are nearing the end. Paul said in Heb 10:25 "as you SEE the day approaching and yes if we have our focus on the Bible we DO see that day approaching.

It's not just America that is important in Scripture. Looking at the Romans 1 timeline you mentioned, the entire GLOBE has arrived at that end point. NOT just America. So not just America is at a finish line. It's the whole world and THAT is significant.

I don't think MacArthur or JD leave anything out.

When God has outlined the future and America is NOT present in any of the Biblical prophecies at the end, then saying that

But ultimately, I believe they both leave out "but God." Which if for the reasons I believe are true, is ironic in JD's case.

is just going against God's outline in history written in advance.

It's not just how you interpret prophecy, it's whether you realize that when God doesn't include something that means you can't magically create something that isn't in the Bible because God is silent about it.

It means God is silent about some things. One thing God NEVER does is go against His own Word.

When the Bible explains clearly how things go (and I think Ezek 38 is pretty clear) then the logical conclusion is that America is not there, or is irrelevant at the time of Ezek 38.

We can debate how that happens, but the bottom line is, just saying God can do anything, doesn't mean that He WILL do anything or that He will go against His own Word.

Yes He may do something unexpected, in fact the way He has fulfilled prophecy in the past HAS been unexpected. But He also fulfills it literally to the letter.

We speculate on how He might fulfill things- I personally think that the Rapture removes the Christians both Jews and Gentiles from the planet, and that removes enough of America's actual working class and military that America becomes too weak to do much to protect Israel.

But in the end HOW He does something is not up for grabs. It HAS to fit inside the Word. IT WILL fit within the Word.

 

[TCC]

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Jan Markell explores this topic with Mark Henry in Part 1. It's not a long video - just under an hour but I'll put time stamps here and also note that a transcript is available. Click on the description box, scroll down to the Transcript button and you can read it.

It's podcast style, so you don't have to watch the video, just listen to get the information.

Numbers are the time stamps:

Start: both Jan and Amir start off by explaining they think Trump is way better than Kamala Harris or his other rivals. They also clearly separate the issues of Trump as President going to Saudi Arabia to drum up business with the special role of protection for Israel.

4:22 has the golden age begun? Is Satan's role in the last days on hold for now while Trump is in office?

5:12 Mark Henry is introduced by Jan and his part of the podcast begins acknowledging that every Presidency begins with high hopes and lots of promises.

8:01 "what's unique about this situation" begins to delve into the question Jan headlines with.

9:10 how America is absent from the Ezek 38 picture, allowing the invaders to come down into Israel. Why that fits with aspects of what we are seeing happening right now. Israel is living IN PEACE- and Mark and Jan discuss the fact that Trump is working towards a peace plan for Israel but somehow by Ezek 38, America is out of the picture. How Trump might be the reason for that peace, but that the globalist aims and goals have not changed, whether working from the right or the left of the aisle in politics.

12:04 The globalists had an agenda that went AGAINST Bible prophecy. The WEF was trying to put China in place as the global superpower and take America out. Trump turned that plan around to the opposite. This is where the China sanctions and tariffs come into the picture. I thought this was a particularly interesting insight. I don't know how they came to that conclusion because I haven't looked at the WEF in relation to China, but it makes sense with what has gone on.

Instead Europe has to be placed in the position of future superpower, and again, TRUMP is doing exactly that!!!

12:29 Productivity and the emphasis have to go back to Europe and the Middle East for the Bible prophecies to be fulfilled and that is exactly what we see. This will allow the AC to arise.

12:47-12:54 Super important point about the way things were going regards China and why TRUMP HAD to do what he did.

14:35 pulling back from discussion of the Millennium, back to Amir's opening thoughts and why his trip to Saudi was important from a business perspective- Amir lightly touches on how this is helping Israel stand on her own as Trump told Yemen America didn't care who they hit as long as it wasn't Americans.

Israel can now hit whoever they like without trying to coordinate it with America.

19:02 Amir discusses a warning from Bill Koenig about America's continuing alignment with the Arab states whose core idealogy is not aligned with America's Judeo Christian foundations.

19:21 Jan turns back to Mark Henry and discusses Genesis 12:3 Those who bless Israel are blessed....those who curse Israel are cursed.

They discuss how that plays out with Trump trying to reverse a trend of economic ruin that previous presidents put into play.

21:48 they point to how Trump constantly ties things to normalizing relations with Israel.

22:31 Jan brings up Tucker Carlson and his antisemitic stuff.

24:54 Jan talking with Mark Henry about the clip they played, talking about antisemitism in the right wing.

27:17 Part 2 This might interest @Spartan Sprinter as it gets off on a discussion of their recent conference in Australia, what are some of the challenges there for the body of Christ living in Australia.

but first they launch into a discussion with Mondo Gonzales and Billy Crone. The talk goes off into AI, brain chips, Elon Musk etc.

30:28 back to the discussion about the Australia trip.

The topic goes to the Laodicean church and how it's flourishing all over. Technology, witchcraft, lawlessness etc. Darkening of the culture.

BUT also Signs of hope, points of light as home fellowships are springing up in remote areas.

Right towards the end of part 2

@52:25 Billy Crone brings up the topic of Trump as a Lightning Rod topic. Either people are so far on one side or the other that they can't see the truth somewhere in the middle. That if you like something Trump did- you voted for evil, and if you didn't like something he did, that somehow you are out to get him. Billy asks WHY is it "illegal" to talk about how Trump may be pushing forward Biblical prophetic stuff, both "good" and "bad". He makes the point that Christians had no problem talking about how Biden fit into pushing forward certain aspects for prophetic stuff.

Billy winds up by saying we need to keep focused on the Bible, and on reaching the lost around us for Christ.

Billy ends the broadcast with an altar call.

This is super awesome Margery. Bless your heart dear sister. And thanks so much for your utterly thoughtful way in presenting this. This is the "excel still more" essence in Thesselonians Amen.

What is interesting for me from my eschatological perspective here is how it would appear this arc of evangelicalism is coming closer to the arena of consideration upon my view. Which is pretty cool to see. It comes out at the same time as Trump's bill, which of course causes pause for me in some ways concerning my view. lol. So, that is an ironic plot twist. But it is interesting to see how they are starting to think more along the lines I have been. Regardless of how good a match all this ends up as, one thing for sure seems to be occuring. In the church and the world.

One of my main themes of Providence today is that it is more of an age of "revelation" than "deception." I have held that view because our eyes having been opened to the end times activity and evil grasp even Western governments have on its people have all been unraveling. A lot of this is due to the internet where we can get our info outside our bubbles. And talk to each other. But along those same lines, just as America and the world is waking up to the fact that there has been this globalist sycophant encrouching world economics. And worse than a novel, trying to have us in 15 minute cities with second rate energy source receivers and eating bugs. And the world woke up. So the evil in some ways is the same (but yes this has increased as well), but our awareness of the evil age we actually are in? Well, the lights just came on. Without discovering this we would still be sheepishly moved along by it. But we see now. Revelation.

So in that same sense, it would seem the wide awake church toward prophecy is also waking up. And we are witnessing it in your very capture of it here dear sister. Amen. So yeah, like that. Its exciting to see. One interesting social artifcat in all of this (should Trump gain at the midterms) is that it would appear a new European focus does seem to be belwethering its way into the scene. At the expense seemingly of the EU days seemingly being number. What mean by this is that Trump negotiates around the EU while strengthening Europe per individual nationalist country. For years watchers would have seen the EU as the answer to a reestablishing of Rome like power. But ironically it seems like perhaps the EU (if Trump succeeds) will be immasculated by a real nation state alliance perhaps. Equally fascinating to witness. But please keep in mind if this is somewhat the case, because then it would suggest perhaps "a tell" in someways to do eschatology: See how God uses the thing we think is going to go right, turn left, and maybe even undue itself. Meanwhile, being open to what instead surfaces. For this seems to be at least one valid socio-phenomenon by which we might see how God Himself uses Providence to transcend perhaps some of our eschatological views. And if He is dancing like that...where might else He aslo be...would be my thinking.

Such a rich and blessed video and posting format dear lady. Thanks so much. Quite a blessing on a number of levels

 

[Margery]

QUESTION: Can there be a golden age and it be temporary in your view?

Of course. I would suggest that if there is a golden age, you are living in it right now and it will end by the midterms when the opposition to Trump will gather itself together enough to slow him down a bit and it will stop in the late fall of 2028 if we are still here.

I would also suggest that your golden age might be debated by various news reports on the bond market and the stock market. Bonds are how investors show their views of the future -quite pessimistic, as the interest rates charged for buying US govt debt are spiking, meaning investors are nervous about how long the US govt can keep funding their spending on debt while the economy is struggling. The stock market is a reflection of how investors are feeling about things right now. Both took a hit, the rate the US now pays to finance it's debt is going up, while the rating (down from triple A) has gone down. At the same time, stocks tanked.

What was the trigger? What were they responding to?

Trump announcing that Apple and other smart phone makers couldn't just move from China to India, they had to come home to America. Unfortunately that is easier said than done and that is why I say that any golden age is on shaky ground and only exists in theory.

 

[Margery]

ne of my main themes of Providence today is that it is more of an age of "revelation" than "deception."

NO this is NOT an age of truth being revealed which is the normal meaning of the word revelation, but this is the age of deception.

We can have the restoration of aspects of the truth that were obscured by the traditions of the Catholic church for example, such as the RE-Discovery of the idea of Dispensational theology but we DON'T have ANY new Revelation from God that in any way shape or form goes against the Canon of Scripture found in the Old and New Testament, that age of Revelation closed with the Revelation given to John on Patmos that closed the Canon of Scripture.

We are NOT in some Providential pause in the flow of history.

This is NOT "more of an age of "revelation" than "deception""! This IS an age characterized by deception. See that you be NOT DECEIVED!

Jesus told us not to be deceived, DECEPTION IS part of HIS end times picture.

And again in Revelation, the final church Laodicea is deep in self deception. They believe they are RICH (golden age) and in need of nothing.

The 7 churches do correspond to 7 ages within the church. Laodicea is the end one.

Jesus calls them wretched, miserable, poor, blind and naked. They think they are great, they are wealthy, their wealth is based on exporting an eye salve that was in high demand, but Jesus says the opposite.

In fact Jesus is on the OUTSIDE of the church knocking to be let in. They are so self deluded that they don't even realize He is at the door.

Laodicea is a clear picture of the church at the end of the church age.

A gospel that isn't a gospel - but rather a teaching of health and wealth and self sufficiency.

Be careful that isn't the theme you are teaching others.

 

[Margery]

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”


4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.

Matt 24:3-4 referring to the signs leading up to the end.

THE VERY FIRST SIGN is deception.

To suggest otherwise is to ask Satan's age old question: Has God REALLY said????

 

[1LoverofGod]

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”


4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.

Matt 24:3-4 referring to the signs leading up to the end.

THE VERY FIRST SIGN is deception.

To suggest otherwise is to ask Satan's age old question: Has God REALLY said????

To add to the closeness of the "end of the age", we can clearly see how the vast majority of the world is turning against Israel and this is prophetic by Zechariah 12:3 and it begins this side of Jacob's trouble and escalates during the power of Antichrist.
We're absolutely close. Israel Must call on Jesus to be saved.
Going Home Soon!
Even so Come Lord Jesus!

 

[Cheeky200386]

NO this is NOT an age of truth being revealed which is the normal meaning of the word revelation, but this is the age of deception.

We can have the restoration of aspects of the truth that were obscured by the traditions of the Catholic church for example, such as the RE-Discovery of the idea of Dispensational theology but we DON'T have ANY new Revelation from God that in any way shape or form goes against the Canon of Scripture found in the Old and New Testament, that age of Revelation closed with the Revelation given to John on Patmos that closed the Canon of Scripture.

We are NOT in some Providential pause in the flow of history.

This is NOT "more of an age of "revelation" than "deception""! This IS an age characterized by deception. See that you be NOT DECEIVED!

Jesus told us not to be deceived, DECEPTION IS part of HIS end times picture.

And again in Revelation, the final church Laodicea is deep in self deception. They believe they are RICH (golden age) and in need of nothing.

The 7 churches do correspond to 7 ages within the church. Laodicea is the end one.

Jesus calls them wretched, miserable, poor, blind and naked. They think they are great, they are wealthy, their wealth is based on exporting an eye salve that was in high demand, but Jesus says the opposite.

In fact Jesus is on the OUTSIDE of the church knocking to be let in. They are so self deluded that they don't even realize He is at the door.

Laodicea is a clear picture of the church at the end of the church age.

A gospel that isn't a gospel - but rather a teaching of health and wealth and self sufficiency.

Be careful that isn't the theme you are teaching others.

I thought the same thing. We are definitely in an age of Deception as Jesus said we would be. Just talking to people, you clearly hear and see the deception people are under. The culture is riddled and consumed with deceptive messaging, it’s nauseating. Even the churches of America are overwhelmed by it. As a counselor, I am overwhelmed by the level of deception that so many of my Christian clients are falling into. It’s mind boggling and frustrating.

The percentage of Pastors that believe the Bible is true is around 35% in the US. That is some clear deception. The Barna and other Christian research polls paint a clear picture that a small minority of Christians actually hold a Biblical worldview. It’s tragic what is happening.

I pray to be raptured soon because I shudder to think what the Church will be like when my kids grow up.

 

[mattfivefour]

QUESTION: Can there be a golden age and it be temporary in your view? The reason I ask this is because to me it would make sense for end times to come upon the wings of everyone seeing what they think is the way to look at things simultanously. And that is pretty much what we see in evangelicalism. With that there are themes of "false peace" and the AC. So the way I might look at something like this is that there could be a golden age and it is temporary. If we have one no doubt many will be looking for AC covenant likely. The 1,000 year reign is temporal. But its not false though because it is temporal.

From what I have seen it would seem that the concept of "temporal" can tend to be very important in eschatology because it can't just go on and on like that with no tribulaiton. But just like without an act of God America tanks, so too, I believe, the concept of "golden age" or "reprieve" can have its own authentic value and meaning beyond it just being temporal. And example would be that globalism might be pushed back enough to "literally" matter for a moment. And in that prophecy is fulfilled. Which would mean reprieve having as much a purpose as our sense to factor in its temporal length in time.

One of the reasons I would differ let's say with JD Farag is that nothing Trump does is favored as prophesy. Yet, that is already not accurate, because on Purim in 2019, Trump, affirmed the Golan Heights for Israel. This mountain range area brings into possibility that Ez 38 is approaching (prior to that, the mountain mentions in Ez 38 would have seemed out of place for where Israel was prior). So in that same sense, evangelicalism not seeing Trump too much (or America) in prophetic terms (as you awesome OP details), seems to be a blind spot of sorts. It's just seemed to me that over time, I have heard a lot about false this or that. And temporary this or that. And its not that I disagree. I believe when the AC comes there will be a whole lotta false...lol. And I also agree that what is hyper-temporary is best to be understood in that light, amen. But because something is brief I don't believe takes away some innate atonomy perhaps included in those temporal events. Like the Abrhama Accords are temporal. But they seem to "not falsely" bring conditions for Israel to normalize. What I mean by "not falsely" is just that what they were set up to do they genuinely did. Provide a context for normalization. In most cases forced by economics. But at any point in any political agreement, temporality and tentitiveness in it is a given. Israel, for example, only remains in her current form for a set number of decades. Yet we would not call that though, false Israel. They were with us for decades because of how that fit prophecy legitimately.

So just saying stuff like that as a means of not to alter the import on how temporal things can or might be. But just saying these things because it just seems like the importance that might come or link to prophetic significance is not something in any of us that comes naturally...lol. To see something that nuanced would be for our generation something we would have need to do. Because regardless of how this all plays out and when, at the end of the day we know where we have arrived. And its ear mark?" If nuance were a superhero, he'd be 2025 Blessings.

Brother, I need to be absolutely honest. As a pastor (not to mention founding pastor of this site) I worry about this-or-that views on what is happening in the gospel world regarding eschatology. I understand that what you post is often stream of consciousness: you share your thinking with us. And I suppose that's what worries me most-- that your thinking sees events as this or that, one side of the other. And you put a lot of thought into the validity of various positions. So may I share a little bit of what God has allowed me to come to see in my eight decades of life?

There is no one view of evangelicalism. Evangelicalism is a word man has created to attempt to categorize and describe the thinking of evangelicals. Of course this ignores the truth that while you can define certain beliefs that are considered evangelical, those who hold to those beliefs have many varied views of everything else, including and especially life on this earth. And that includes how prophecy will unfold.

It is extremely important to understand that these views of prophecy did not begin with this generation, or within the past few decades, or even centuries. Attempts to rationally predict how prophecies will unfold and be realized go back to the days that the very first prophecy was given. Man has always tried to uncover the secrets of God. And even prophecy --which by the Bible's own words is given to prove God is God (Isaiah 44:7, 46:9-10, 48:3-5)-- contains some secrets known only to God alone and revealed only when the prophecy is fully fulfilled. Time, place, degree are among those secrets. As a result, even when we have a prophecy in hand, until it's fulfillment we created beings are left attempting to guess as to the time and the nature of the prophecy's fulfillment.

This is what is happening in the Christian world today. At least it is among those who actually believe that God still speaks and still has a purpose beyond some abstract pie-in-the-sky philosophy. For this reason, there can be no evangelical viewpoint beyond the belief that God exists and will do what He says He will do. There may be a few mainstream views, but there are almost as many opinions as there are people.

What we try to engage in here are attempts to judge the closeness of the fulfillment of some specific prophecy by aligning it with current events. This is interesting, keeps us occupied with the Word of God, and can give some encouragement. But that said, we may be no more correct than any other generation that has preceded us. Now, that said in turn, Jesus did tell us specifically that we would know the signs of the times. And I think we can all agree that those signs are upon us: we are truly in the end times. But trying to guess at God's exact plan in relation to what we are experiencing in the world is a mugs game. The thing about God is He never ceases to surprise us, His creations, even when He tells us what He's going to do. The manner and method by which He acts is always unexpected. Just read the Bible and you will see that. Even the birth of Messiah, the chief prophecy in the Bible, surprised everybody at the time...including the "watchers".

There are sound and logical reasons for that later phenomenon but they are beyond the scope of this reply of mine. Perhaps I'll take that issue up at another time. But for now I just wanted to discourage stream of consciousness posts, especially in the subject area of prophecy. They only muddy the waters. Focusing on prophetic possibilities in relation to various theological views, respectfully, helps no one. It may be personally satisfying to share one's views but how does that build up the body? Our individual views on what may or may not be happening and the reasoning behind what may or may not be happening are simply our views. I submit it is far more enlightening to place specific prophecies against specific current events or against the direction of specific current events. At least then we are not engaging in speculation but merely presenting facts.

I would much rather see this site more dedicated to the discussion of God's Word regarding how we should live and what we should be doing in these last days. The Word of God is the most important thing we have and surely should be the most important thing we discuss. It is given to us to reveal God's character and His will. It is given to us to understand ourselves. It is given to us to show us the way of salvation. It is given to us to show us the way to live to experience all that God has for us. It is given to us to encourage us, instruct us, correct us, and guide us.

I am not a prophet nor the son of a prophet, but I am willing to predict that when we are taken home and appear before the Bema seat of Christ, we will not be judged as to how well we predicted the events of the end times or the timing of the Rapture. I predict we will be asked how well we obeyed the instructions He gave us as recorded in Mark 16:15 and Matthew 28:19-20. Therefore, I beseech everyone including myself with this exhortation-- Let us focus on Acts 13:47; Romans 10:14-15; and 2 Corinthians 5:20. If we do that, I confidently predict that we will present a much better answer to our Lord than how close we were to tying current events to the Rapture or how thoroughly we discussed the validity of the eschatological positions of various Christian groups.

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

The last days are NOT on hold. We're in them. The Rapture and Tribulation are coming soon.

The prophetic, technological, religious, moral, and political pieces are clicking into place. Like a jigsaw puzzle with only a few empty spots and a few pieces remaining on the table. Easy to see where each piece goes, we just don't know which order the pieces will get put into the puzzle first. One of those pieces is The Rapture. Some of the Ezekiel pieces are sitting on the table. I, personally, think some of those pieces are already in the puzzle, but there's still more to put in place.* The majority opinion here is that all the Ezekiel pieces have yet to be put in the puzzle. The puzzle piece of the ruinous heap of Damascus is still outside the puzzle.

God's timepiece is still ticking. His times. His ways. His Will. On Earth as it is in Heaven.


With regard to a golden era in the US. Just because Donald Trump is President doesn't magically change things. He's not a savior or a god. He's an ordinary man, whom God has ordained to be President at this time, to use for his purposes. The U.S. is still essentially the same as it was before he was elected. God will continue to use the U.S. for his purposes.

Looking at the U.S. situation as a country from a Biblical perspective, there's hasn't been enough traditional Judeo-Christian push-back against the immorality, political correctness, and unsound economics (personal and government) that have weakened our country. There hasn't been enough Christian outreach, evangelism, and love to the lost, whom I believe God has brought to us to be blessed with The Gospel, so islam, hinduism, buddhism, etc. have flourished instead of being discarded in favor of Christianity. Ditto new age, occult, satanism, humanism, etc. There's been some, but not nearly enough, in part because of political correctness, fear, and easy/cheap Western faith that's come from being located in a generally overwhelmingly Judeo-Christian culture. If The Lord tarries, it's going to take persecution, likely under sharia, to give the Church here the courage and backbone to carry out The Great Commission. The Church and believers always grow stronger under persecution. I firmly believe if we don't bless the muslims with The Gospel, that we will be cursed/chastized with sharia.

Meanwhile, I don't believe God will destroy the US, Canada, Mexico, or other Western Hemisphere countries while we're here, as there are still at least 10 righteous in each country (and in each state and province). That will abruptly change when The Rapture happens. That doesn't mean we won't see any judgment or hardship, especially if our country continues to defy God's laws concerning morality and Israel.


32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.
Genesis 18:32, KJV

14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14, KJV

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1 John 1:5-10, KJV

1 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
3 When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.
4 For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.
5 I acknowledge my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the Lord; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.
6 For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.
7 Thou art my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah.
8 I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.
9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.
10 Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the Lord, mercy shall compass him about.
11 Be glad in the Lord, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.
Psalm 32, KJV

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
John 3:16-21, KJV





*Very minority view of Ezekiel

 

[Hol]

The thing about God is He never ceases to surprise us, His creations, even when He tells us what He's going to do. The manner and method by which He acts is always unexpected. Just read the Bible and you will see that. Even the birth of Messiah, the chief prophecy in the Bible, surprised everybody at the time...including the "watchers".

There are sound and logical reasons for that later phenomenon but they are beyond the scope of this reply of mine. Perhaps I'll take that issue up at another time.

Yes please!

I’m very interested in how so few recognized our Savior when He was born.

I ask myself if framing my understanding of the times we’re in through news and views of those pro or anti-Trump is of value? I’m grateful that God protected him and placed him in office—but shouldn’t I be more open to this:

Psalm 45:3-7
3 Gird Your sword upon Your thigh, O Mighty One,
With Your glory and Your majesty.
4 And in Your majesty ride prosperously because of truth, humility, and righteousness;
And Your right hand shall teach You awesome things.
5 Your arrows are sharp in the heart of the King’s enemies;
The peoples fall under You.
6Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
7You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.

(Sorry about the random bolding, it has a mind of its own.)

I do appreciate the news and views, but find myself more invested in trying to figure those pieces of the puzzle out than investing in God’s plan to glorify Jesus.

 

[Andy C]

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.

Amen. I know of a certain Hawaiian shirt wearing Pastor that should heed this advice.

 

[Margery]

Our individual views on what may or may not be happening and the reasoning behind what may or may not be happening are simply our views. I submit it is far more enlightening to place specific prophecies against specific current events or against the direction of specific current events. At least then we are not engaging in speculation but merely presenting facts.

I would much rather see this site more dedicated to the discussion of God's Word regarding how we should live and what we should be doing in these last days. The Word of God is the most important thing we have and surely should be the most important thing we discuss. It is given to us to reveal God's character and His will. It is given to us to understand ourselves. It is given to us to show us the way of salvation. It is given to us to show us the way to live to experience all that God has for us. It is given to us to encourage us, instruct us, correct us, and guide us.

I am not a prophet nor the son of a prophet, but I am willing to predict that when we are taken home and appear before the Bema seat of Christ, we will not be judged as to how well we predicted the events of the end times or the timing of the Rapture. I predict we will be asked how well we obeyed the instructions He gave us as recorded in Mark 16:15 and Matthew 28:19-20. Therefore, I beseech everyone including myself with this exhortation-- Let us focus on Acts 13:47; Romans 10:14-15; and 2 Corinthians 5:20. If we do that, I confidently predict that we will present a much better answer to our Lord than how close we were to tying current events to the Rapture or how thoroughly we discussed the validity of the eschatological positions of various Christian groups.

AMEN! I agree with this and especially the last 3 points you make:

1 our opinions are not important- it is best to compare specific prophecies against specific events we see happening. my take away from that is The Bible is our lens to see the world thru. Put the Bible glasses on and everything starts to make sense.

2 The Bible is the most important thing we have and the most important thing we discuss.

3 Salvation for others around us is our primary call in this life, once we are saved. It's all in those scriptures you quote above Mark 16:15 and Matthew 28:19-20. Acts 13:47; Romans 10:14-15; and 2 Corinthians 5:20. Not eschatology, but Salvation!