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About the Lake of Fire

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Andy C said,

What do you believe happens to a Christian upon thier death?

The scriptures at 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 tells us that when a Christian dies he goes to Hades and sleeps in death until the second presence of Jesus Christ begins, and then when the second presence of Jesus Christ begins all those Christians that have died and belong to Jesus will be resurrected back to life.
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When a person dies who is saved meaning accepted Jesus for their salvation, the :bible:says absent from the body present with the Lord. Their Spirit is in heaven their body is in the ground or cremated. When the trumpet sounds which is the Rapture of the believers, their Spirit joins with a glorified body and are in heaven. There are 7 years tribulation on earth for those who were not saved. Some people left behind do accept Jesus and are called Tribulation saints. After the tribulation, believers in heaven come back on white horses with Jesus. Revelation 19:11-16.
 
Andy C said,

What do you believe happens to a Christian upon thier death?

The scriptures at 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 tells us that when a Christian dies he goes to Hades and sleeps in death until the second presence of Jesus Christ begins, and then when the second presence of Jesus Christ begins all those Christians that have died and belong to Jesus will be resurrected back to life.
not only the Christians that have died and belong to Him will be resurrected, but ALL people.
The "sheep" to everlasting life and glory, the "goats" to everlasting death and torment.

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I know that there are those that believe the Bible teaches the unmistakable teaching that human beings have living souls within the physical human body that are immortal and when a human being dies that immortal soul goes to either a place of misery or happiness. However no one has convinced me in any way that when God describes how he brought into existence the first human being at Genesis 2:7 that he said he "Gave" the physical human body a living soul when he blew the breath/spirit of life into that physical human body. The scripture at Genesis 2:7 says that when God blew the breath/spirit of life into the physical human body, the physical human body "Became" a living soul. Saying or teaching that God "Gave" the physical human body a living soul, when God blew the breath/spirit of life into the physical human body, and saying or teaching that the physical human body "Became" a living soul when God blew the breath/spirit of life into the physical human body, are not the same thing. These are two contrasting statements, they don't mean the same thing. So since the word "Became" is at Genesis 2:7 and not the word "Gave" Genesis 2:7 teaches that the physical human body "Became" a living soul, the physical human body wasn't "Given" a living soul. So I see nothing in this scripture that teaches human beings are immortal souls or have immortal souls.
If I understand your premise correctly, you believe that the body that God formed became a living soul when He blew the breath of life into him. Not a body/flesh that contains a soul.
I'm sure you realize that this was Gods creation, Adam, pre-fall, and a He declared all He made very good. Genesis 1:31
You also know that you and I aren't formed from the dust the in the same way as Adam. We are the result of procreation, just as God designed Genesis1:28, Genesis 4:1 .

In the genealogy of Adam, in Genesis 5:3 we are told about how Adam begot a son in his own likeness, after his own image, Seth. I only mention this because I believe it is showing how the sin nature is passed down through Adam. Cain, Abel, and however more that were born(we're not told) came into being all the same way, just like you and I and everyone else post-fall, by procreation.
When we receive our soul is another interesting side topic.

All that just to say you set up a straw man argument by bringing up Genesis 2:7 yourself, and then arguing against whether we have an immortal soul.
Plenty of scripture has been provided in both threads showing that we indeed all have eternal souls. Souls that are shown to be continually conscious and aware even after physical death of the body (the body is not the soul). Souls that will have full knowledge of whether they are enjoying eternal life with the Lord or eternal death separated from Him.
 
In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word used to describe the realm of the dead is sheol. It simply means “the place of the dead” or “the place of departed souls/spirits.” The New Testament Greek equivalent of sheol is hades, which also refers to “the place of the dead.” The New Testament indicates that sheol/hades is a temporary place, where souls are kept as they await the final resurrection and judgment. Revelation 20:11–15 makes a clear distinction between hades and the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the permanent and final place of judgment for the lost. Hades, then, is a temporary place. Many people refer to both hades and the lake of fire as “hell,” and this causes confusion. Jesus did not go to a place of torment after His death, but He did go to hades.

Sheol/hades is a realm with two divisions—a place of blessing and a place of judgment (Matthew 11:23; 16:18; Luke 10:15; 16:23; Acts 2:27–31). The abodes of the saved and the lost are both generally called “hades” in the Bible. The abode of the saved is also called “Abraham’s bosom” (KJV) or “Abraham’s side” (NIV) in Luke 16:22 and “paradise” in Luke 23:43. The abodes of the saved and the lost are separated by a “great chasm” (Luke 16:26). When Jesus died, He went to the blessed side of sheol, or paradise. (Some believe, based on a particular interpretation of Ephesians 4:8–10, that Jesus took believers with Him from sheol to another place of bliss that we now call heaven. More likely, Ephesians 4 refers to the ascension of Christ.) All the unbelieving dead go to the cursed side of hades to await the final judgment. All the believing dead go to the blessed side of hades to await the resurrection. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes, according to Jesus’ own words, He went to the blessed region of sheol.

Some of the confusion has arisen from such passages as Psalm 16:10–11 as translated in the King James Version: “For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. . . . Thou wilt show me the path of life.” “Hell” is not a correct translation in this verse. A correct reading would be “the grave” or “sheol.” Jesus said to the thief beside Him, “Today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43); He did not say, “I will see you in hell.” Jesus’ body was in the tomb; His soul/spirit went to be with the blessed in sheol/hades. Unfortunately, in many versions of the Bible, translators are not consistent, or correct, in how they translate the Hebrew and Greek words for “sheol,” “hades,” and “hell.”

Some have the viewpoint that Jesus went to “hell” or the suffering side of sheol/hades in order to further be punished for our sins. This idea is completely unbiblical. It was the death of Jesus on the cross that sufficiently provided for our redemption. It was His shed blood that effected our own cleansing from sin (1 John 1:7–9). As He hung there on the cross, He took the sin burden of the whole human race upon Himself. He became sin for us: “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21). This imputation of sin helps us understand Christ’s struggle in the Garden of Gethsemane with the cup of sin that He asked to pass from Him (Matthew 26:39).

As Jesus neared death, He said, “It is finished” (John 19:30). His suffering in our place was completed. His soul/spirit went to hades (the place of the dead). Jesus did not go to “hell” or the suffering side of hades; He went to “Abraham’s side” or the blessed side of hades. Jesus’ suffering ended the moment He died. The payment for sin was paid. He then awaited the resurrection of His body and His return to glory in His ascension. Did Jesus go to hell? No. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes.

 
Armor of Light said,



Do you believe that Jesus Christ was dead for parts of three days?
Because when Jesus Christ said to that man, "I assure you today you will be with me in paradise. Jesus wasn't talking about that very day he was sacrificed he would be with that man in paradise because Jesus was sleeping in death for parts of three days before he was resurrected , and he didn't go into heaven until forty days after his resurrection. Jesus Christ made it clear that no one had gone into heaven before him. So I don't believe that man was with Jesus in paradise that very day Jesus was sacrificed. But when Jesus start the earthly resurrection of those who will be in that kingdom Jesus will remember that man who died beside him and exercised faith.
Then you do not believe the Word of God. Jesus never lied. When He says, "Today" He meant that very day. A study of all Scripture on the subject reveals that, like all humans, Jesus went to what the Jews referred to as "Paradise" which was the non-burning side of Sheol, also referred to as Abraham's bosom. This was where the departed souls resided until the coming of Messiah and the end of God's plan of redemption. But unlike mere humans, Death could not hold Him: He had no sins to be expiated.

In Paradise Jesus presented Himself to those who had died in faith and they had the opportunity to personally accept the Anointed One for whom they had so long waited. He then took them in victory to Heaven, and then returned to earth in His glorified body and did what is recorded in the gospels before returning to Heaven, where he waits until the time He will come back for His Church.

I see while I have been writing this @Kaatje has given you an excellent teaching that covers much of what I have just said. I pray you allow the Holy Spirit to lead you in your understanding of this matter. There is a lot to learn, but it all fits together perfectly.
 
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