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The Rapture in Our Lifetime

***Lamb and Lion Ministries host a discussion at a Pre-Trib Conference with the question asked whether they believe the Rapture could happen in our lifetime.
I will just post the initial responses from a few in the discussion at the Conference. The entirety of responses can be read in the provided link.....


Do you think we will see the Rapture in our lifetime? And if so, why?
(To answer this question, Tim Moore and Nathan Jones traveled to the annual Pre-Trib Study Group Conference held every December in Dallas, Texas.)

*Mondo Gonzales: Absolutely, I really do. When you consider that Israel came back into their promised land 77 years ago, we are clearly moving towards the end of the Church Age.

*Don Perkins: Absolutely! I believe that the Rapture is going to happen in our lifetime. We know that the Rapture is an imminent event.

*Pete Garcia: I think the Rapture could happen even within the next ten years, in my opinion.

*Lee Brainard: I would be insanely surprised if the Rapture did not happen in my lifetime

*Tom Hughes: Look at the dynamics of everything that’s going on. It’s hard for me to believe that this train has much further to go down the track.

Joe Hawkins: 100%! I have felt the Rapture in my bones, to be honest with you. We can feel a storm coming in.

 
To me Mondo Gonzales gives the most significant evidence that the Rapture would happen in our lifetime with Israel returning to their homeland and Israel's rebirth as a Nation in 1948, with what I think lines up with the Prophecy of Isaiah and Exekiel....

"Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once? For as soon as Zion was in labor, She gave birth to her children". Isaiah 66:8

"Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel."
Ezekiel 37:12

Then I consider what Jesus said when describing the time of the Tribulation, Jacob's Trouble.....

"Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away."
Luke 21:32-33

So I think the generation from the time of Israel's Rebirth is that generation Jesus spoke of, so this would indicate the Rapture cant he too far off, even with it's imminency.
 
All I know for sure is its an imminent event.

There are far to many claims by notable end times teachers claiming everything under the sun is a “sign”.
So true. Especially in today’s media world where there’s financial incentive to get clicks. Flashy headlines sell.

this generation
Andy Woods and Arnold Fruchtenbaum teach that dating these words of Jesus back to 1948 isn’t correct. They say that the generation who is alive before the 7-yr tribulation will not pass. Keep in mind that during the trib some people will long to die, but can’t.

As much as we want the rapture today, avoiding hyped up theories on certain dates can help with our impatience.

I take each of those prophecy teachers in the OP with a grain of salt.
 
So true. Especially in today’s media world where there’s financial incentive to get clicks. Flashy headlines sell.


Andy Woods and Arnold Fruchtenbaum teach that dating these words of Jesus back to 1948 isn’t correct. They say that the generation who is alive before the 7-yr tribulation will not pass. Keep in mind that during the trib some people will long to die, but can’t.

As much as we want the rapture today, avoiding hyped up theories on certain dates can help with our impatience.

I take each of those prophecy teachers in the OP with a grain of salt.
I wouldn't completely rule it out.
Keeping in mind when Jesus was giving the signs of His return He was addressing Jews and we see this here:

15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened."
Matthew 24:15-22

Israel is the focal point of Bible Prophecy.
Ever since the regathering of the Jews and rebirth of the Nation in 1948, which fulfills bible prophecy of Israel returning to their homeland, After the most horrific Holocaust against any people group, they did begin their Alyah, and since then Israel has been the focus of the "world", with Increasing hatred towards the Nation of Israel "by the world" and the most stage setting for the Tribulation period than any time in history.

As believers, The Church, we see signs that Jesus is coming for His Bride Soon and
This, with what is happening with Israel, that has increasingly pointed towards last days Prophecy, ever since Israel returned to their homeland, is telling that we are in the generation Jesus spoke of.
This is not date setting but seeing the season we are in.
There is no sign for the Rapture, so its been what we see as signs for the coming Tribulation that we have looked to for the Rapture that happens before the Tribulation.
If this is not that generation, then we would need to reconsider the nearness of Jesus return, dont you think?
 
As believers, The Church, we see signs that Jesus is coming for His Bride Soon and
This, with what is happening with Israel, that has increasingly pointed towards last days Prophecy, ever since Israel returned to their homeland, is telling that we are in the generation Jesus spoke of.
This is not date setting but seeing the season we are in.
There is no sign for the Rapture, so its been what we see as signs for the coming Tribulation that we have looked to for the Rapture that happens before the Tribulation.
If this is not that generation, then we would need to reconsider the nearness of Jesus return, dont you think?
I hope it is true Rose!

A lot of solid prophecy teachers that aren't Andy Woods or Fruchtenbaum, whom God also speaks to, do think it holds some weight, rather than hype.
Hope they're right.

Not many Christians are longing for Jesus to come back soon so I am just glad there are some like me.
 
I hope it is true Rose!

A lot of solid prophecy teachers that aren't Andy Woods or Fruchtenbaum, whom God also speaks to, do think it holds some weight, rather than hype.
Hope they're right.

Not many Christians are longing for Jesus to come back soon so I am just glad there are some like me.
Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.
2 Timothy 4:8
 
This is not date setting but seeing the season we are in.
Most of the excitement gets generated by suggesting that the term generation is 40, 70, 80, or some ‘x’ number of years. For us, a generation would have to be 80+

I found a blog that explains it much better, it’s lengthy so I’ll only put half of it here, but the guy is a good writer so it’s worth your while to read the entire article! I left out the first part where he goes into detail about why Jesus did not mean that ‘this generation’ was His current generation of first century AD. Here goes:

“A second interpretation was made popular by Hal Lindsey in his wildly popular book The Late Great Planet Earth, which was published in 1970 and became an international bestseller the New York Times newspaper crowned as the bestselling non-fiction book of the entire decade. In his book, Lindsey asserted that the key to understanding future prophetic events was the rebirth of Israel as a nation on May 14, 1948, in the aftermath of Hitler’s World War II Jewish Holocaust. According to Lindsey, Joel 1:7 proved that the budding fig tree in Christ’s illustration symbolized Israel, and that symbolism meant that the time period that Jesus described in The Olivet Discourse actually began in 1948. Thus, the generation that was alive in 1948 was the generation to which Jesus referred.

Continuing on with this interpretation, Lindsey stated that the Bible defined a generation as being “something like forty years,” which led him to conclude that there was a strong possibility that Jesus would return to establish His earthly kingdom sometime in 1988. Lindsey also taught that all Christians would be transported to heaven by way of yet another prophetic event, The Rapture (1 Corinthians 15:50-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18), just prior to the beginning of the seven-year tribulation period. Therefore, since his math for Christ’s Second Coming added up to 1988, his math for The Rapture had to add up to 1981. As you can guess, a whole bunch of Christians were disappointed when 1981 came and went without any Rapture and 1988 came and went without any Second Coming.

One possible explanation for Hal Lindsey’s wrong prediction is that Jesus did not have Israel in mind at all when He used His fig tree illustration. Rather than symbolically using the fig tree in reference to Israel, Jesus could have been using the imagery in a general way to teach that it is possible to study current events and come to at least a fairly clear understanding of future events. If this was indeed the case, Lindsay’s whole idea of Israel’s rebirth in 1948 being the hinge event upon which everything else hangs sinks like a stone thrown into deep water.

Also, even if we assume for the sake of argument that Jesus really was talking about Israel’s 1948 rebirth when He made reference to the fig tree beginning to bloom, that still doesn’t mean that Lindsey’s biblical definition of a generation was correct. Yes, it’s true that God gave the land of Canaan to Israel’s younger generation by killing off the entire older generation as the nation wandered in the wilderness for 40 years (Numbers 14:1-38, specifically verse 33). However, there are other passages that define the length of a generation as being something other than 40 years. Consider the following examples:
  • In Genesis 15:13-16, God tells Abraham that Abraham’s descendants will be afflicted in a strange land (Egypt) for 400 years, but then He also tells him that they will leave Egypt and return to Canaan in the fourth generation. Dividing four generations by 400 years, that might mean that a biblical generation can be defined as 100 years.
  • In Psalm 90:10, the Bible says the days of our lives are seventy years, with some people being strong enough to live eighty years. This might be taken to mean that a biblical generation can be defined as 70 years. Bolstering this definition is the fact that 70 is the average between 40 and 100.

Just for fun, let’s apply the possible definitions of 70 years and 100 years to Hal Lindsey’s interpretation of 1948 as the linchpin year of future prophetic events. By doing so we find that 70 years still doesn’t fit because Jesus didn’t return to walk the Earth again in 2018 and the Rapture didn’t occur seven years prior in 2011. Admittedly, if we define a generation as 100 years, that does leave the year 2048 as a possible date for Christ’s Second Coming and the year 2041 as a possible date for the Rapture. But do we really want to put any confidence in either of these two predictions? I certainly don’t. If they do turn out to be correct, that’s fine with me. I’m just saying that I’m not going to bet the farm on them.

As for me, I agree with all the preachers, teachers, and commentators who favor a third interpretation of “this generation.” Under this interpretation, “this generation” will simply be the generation of people who are alive during the days — whenever those days are — when the events of the tribulation period begin. (Note that the beginning of the tribulation period has nothing to do with Israel’s rebirth as a nation in 1948.) Putting it another way, I and many others believe that Jesus’ use of the term “this generation” was merely His way of emphasizing that the entire tribulation period will play out in a time period short enough so that the generation of people who are alive on earth when the period begins will live to see Christ’s Second Coming at the end of the period. This interpretation, by the way, walks hand in hand perfectly with the book of Daniel’s teaching that the tribulation period will only last for seven years.”
From: Are We “This Generation”?

If this is not that generation, then we would need to reconsider the nearness of Jesus return, dont you think?
Not at all.

But, if we follow teachers who start with 1948 then add some ‘x’ numbers we may be on weak footing and find major disappointment when/if the year 2029 is on our calendars (1948+80=2028).

Yes, most of us hope for the rapture daily, but I don’t hope that we are ‘this generation’.
 
Most of the excitement gets generated by suggesting that the term generation is 40, 70, 80, or some ‘x’ number of years. For us, a generation would have to be 80+

I found a blog that explains it much better, it’s lengthy so I’ll only put half of it here, but the guy is a good writer so it’s worth your while to read the entire article! I left out the first part where he goes into detail about why Jesus did not mean that ‘this generation’ was His current generation of first century AD. Here goes:

“A second interpretation was made popular by Hal Lindsey in his wildly popular book The Late Great Planet Earth, which was published in 1970 and became an international bestseller the New York Times newspaper crowned as the bestselling non-fiction book of the entire decade. In his book, Lindsey asserted that the key to understanding future prophetic events was the rebirth of Israel as a nation on May 14, 1948, in the aftermath of Hitler’s World War II Jewish Holocaust. According to Lindsey, Joel 1:7 proved that the budding fig tree in Christ’s illustration symbolized Israel, and that symbolism meant that the time period that Jesus described in The Olivet Discourse actually began in 1948. Thus, the generation that was alive in 1948 was the generation to which Jesus referred.

Continuing on with this interpretation, Lindsey stated that the Bible defined a generation as being “something like forty years,” which led him to conclude that there was a strong possibility that Jesus would return to establish His earthly kingdom sometime in 1988. Lindsey also taught that all Christians would be transported to heaven by way of yet another prophetic event, The Rapture (1 Corinthians 15:50-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18), just prior to the beginning of the seven-year tribulation period. Therefore, since his math for Christ’s Second Coming added up to 1988, his math for The Rapture had to add up to 1981. As you can guess, a whole bunch of Christians were disappointed when 1981 came and went without any Rapture and 1988 came and went without any Second Coming.

One possible explanation for Hal Lindsey’s wrong prediction is that Jesus did not have Israel in mind at all when He used His fig tree illustration. Rather than symbolically using the fig tree in reference to Israel, Jesus could have been using the imagery in a general way to teach that it is possible to study current events and come to at least a fairly clear understanding of future events. If this was indeed the case, Lindsay’s whole idea of Israel’s rebirth in 1948 being the hinge event upon which everything else hangs sinks like a stone thrown into deep water.

Also, even if we assume for the sake of argument that Jesus really was talking about Israel’s 1948 rebirth when He made reference to the fig tree beginning to bloom, that still doesn’t mean that Lindsey’s biblical definition of a generation was correct. Yes, it’s true that God gave the land of Canaan to Israel’s younger generation by killing off the entire older generation as the nation wandered in the wilderness for 40 years (Numbers 14:1-38, specifically verse 33). However, there are other passages that define the length of a generation as being something other than 40 years. Consider the following examples:
  • In Genesis 15:13-16, God tells Abraham that Abraham’s descendants will be afflicted in a strange land (Egypt) for 400 years, but then He also tells him that they will leave Egypt and return to Canaan in the fourth generation. Dividing four generations by 400 years, that might mean that a biblical generation can be defined as 100 years.
  • In Psalm 90:10, the Bible says the days of our lives are seventy years, with some people being strong enough to live eighty years. This might be taken to mean that a biblical generation can be defined as 70 years. Bolstering this definition is the fact that 70 is the average between 40 and 100.

Just for fun, let’s apply the possible definitions of 70 years and 100 years to Hal Lindsey’s interpretation of 1948 as the linchpin year of future prophetic events. By doing so we find that 70 years still doesn’t fit because Jesus didn’t return to walk the Earth again in 2018 and the Rapture didn’t occur seven years prior in 2011. Admittedly, if we define a generation as 100 years, that does leave the year 2048 as a possible date for Christ’s Second Coming and the year 2041 as a possible date for the Rapture. But do we really want to put any confidence in either of these two predictions? I certainly don’t. If they do turn out to be correct, that’s fine with me. I’m just saying that I’m not going to bet the farm on them.

As for me, I agree with all the preachers, teachers, and commentators who favor a third interpretation of “this generation.” Under this interpretation, “this generation” will simply be the generation of people who are alive during the days — whenever those days are — when the events of the tribulation period begin. (Note that the beginning of the tribulation period has nothing to do with Israel’s rebirth as a nation in 1948.) Putting it another way, I and many others believe that Jesus’ use of the term “this generation” was merely His way of emphasizing that the entire tribulation period will play out in a time period short enough so that the generation of people who are alive on earth when the period begins will live to see Christ’s Second Coming at the end of the period. This interpretation, by the way, walks hand in hand perfectly with the book of Daniel’s teaching that the tribulation period will only last for seven years.”
From: Are We “This Generation”?


Not at all.

But, if we follow teachers who start with 1948 then add some ‘x’ numbers we may be on weak footing and find major disappointment when/if the year 2029 is on our calendars (1948+80=2028).

Yes, most of us hope for the rapture daily, but I don’t hope that we are ‘this generation’.
To me Im not looking at the generation in terms of lifespan. Im looking at it in terms of those who have been alive during the time the Tribulation begins. The regathering of the nation of Israel is definitely part of it, if not the catalyst of it. By the looks of things with so much appearing to be shadows of the Tribulation with everything coming together and being put in place for the Tribulation, I would be blind if I didnt see this is what is happening.
But as I pointed out, to me, its the generation seeing the signs Jesus gave that wont pass away until its all completed, not going by lifespan of a generation. Many end time prophecies seemed to accelerate after 1948 when Israel became a nation state again and has accelerated faster up to current events
 
I posted the OP because I thought it was an interesting question asked at a conference simply asking whether they thought the Rapture would happen in their lifetime, and why.
Every person who participated gave their personal responses to the question and I thought to share the answers, which all basically agreed in the imminency of the rapture, and added personal reasons why they think it will happen in their lifetime and only Mondo Gonzales mentioned the rebirth of Israel in 1948 for his personal reason.
 
So true. Especially in today’s media world where there’s financial incentive to get clicks. Flashy headlines sell.


Andy Woods and Arnold Fruchtenbaum teach that dating these words of Jesus back to 1948 isn’t correct. They say that the generation who is alive before the 7-yr tribulation will not pass. Keep in mind that during the trib some people will long to die, but can’t.

As much as we want the rapture today, avoiding hyped up theories on certain dates can help with our impatience.

I take each of those prophecy teachers in the OP with a grain of salt.
To me i tend to agree with andy and arnold' interpretation of that.

Too many bible teachers use that verse and the year 1948 and then combine it with psalm 90 to date set the timing of the rapture
 
Our sweet Rose, thank you for posting the OP :thankyou:
Absolutely. She always provides for interesting discussions. This one was no exception. All told I definitely agree with her thinking. I'm expecting it any day (although I think it is possible it will occur on a fall feast day just as every major event in history to do with the actual redemption of man and reconciliation to God, including the beginning of the Church, occurred on a spring feast day.
 
If you think about it, the Rapture will happen in all our lifetimes, and the lifetimes of saints long departed.

1 Thess 4:16: For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first;

So even if we physically die, we just get bumped to the front of the line.

I just pray my mom and brothers and their families wake up to the truth and come to Christ first, and all of y'all's lost loved ones. Or if they just won't, then they'll remember what I've shared with them and become Trib saints.
 
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