Lee Brainard's words

[StaceyLovesJesus]

Is it just me? Every major forest fire, flood, and hurricane is now a sign of the times? I simply cannot enter into this.

If forest fires, floods, and hurricanes were to explode in frequency and intensity to 2X their worst decade-long stretch in the past 200 years, then we would be significantly beyond the worst stretches in their historical cycles. Then we would be at all-time highs. Then we could consider that the fires, floods, and hurricanes we see might be the Braxton-Hicks birthpangs of the last days. But we are not at such record highs. What we see is still within the historical range. So why sensationalize normal (under the curse) weather patterns? This undue attention to insignificant things detracts from the real stage setting for the last days that is going on in the political, geo-political, technological, and economic arenas.

(We are not disputing that some urban-area fires appear to have deep-state shenanigans involved. That is a very different story.)

It seems to me that most of this sensationalizing is coming from folks that have been watchmen for less than a decade. They are new to this game. Those of us who have been watching for four, five, or six decades have a bit more experience under our belt and are less attracted to sensationalizing the headlines.

Folks, we profess to believe in literal interpretation, that is, in the historical-grammatical hermeneutic. This means we must pay attention to history. If we actually pay attention to history, then we will see that history is filled with floods, fires, and hurricanes that equal or surpass in death and destruction what we now see. The current decade is not the worst decade in history, much less significantly beyond the historical high-water marks. If we reject or mock this backward look at history, then we are rejecting the historical-grammatical hermeneutic, and we are, for all practical purposes, admitting that we love to operate in a spirit of sensationalizing and don't actually care whether the facts uphold or overthrow the message.

Folks, we need a revival of the historical-grammatical hermeneutic. This is what gave us dispensationalism, the pretrib rapture, and watching the signs of the times in the first place. If we allow looseness, sloppiness, and sensationalizing to dominate our ministries, then we are undermining the historical-grammatical hermeneutic. Then we are an inner-fifth column which weakens the camp of the truth by indulging in sensationalism and fantasies rather than reality. This always hurts the truth in the long run.

Soothkeep
Lee Brainard

 

[Spartan Sprinter]

Kinda half agree and disagree with Lee here.

If he's referring to the occurrence of these events (fires, hurricanes, floods) happening in America, to this point i can agree with his thoughts,however, to have these natural disasters occuring accross multiple countries at the same time makes you wonder whether it actually is part of the increase in birth pangs.

 

[Andy C]

My watchman eyes stay focused on Israel, not on natural events regardless on if there is an increase in activities.

 

[Spartan Sprinter]

My watchman eyes stay focused on Israel, not on natural events regardless on if there is an increase in activities.

Where's your youtube channel Mr Watchman LOL

 

[TCC]

My watchman eyes stay focused on Israel, not on natural events regardless on if there is an increase in activities.

This is good. Anything beyond Israel is dessert. Likely not the main course. But to say that...says something too. Amen.

 

[Batman]

I tend to lean much farther toward Lee's position.

 

[Tall Timbers]

Is it just me? Every major forest fire, flood, and hurricane is now a sign of the times?

We musn't forget the recent quake in Alaska that registered 0 on the Richter scale.

 

[TCC]

Kinda half agree and disagree with Lee here.

If he's referring to the occurrence of these events (fires, hurricanes, floods) happening in America, to this point i can agree with his thoughts,however, to have these natural disasters occuring accross multiple countries at the same time makes you wonder whether it actually is part of the increase in birth pangs.

I try to confuse myself as much as possible. Its fun when i am at parties...lol. But I believe both can be true. I do believe that the political fanfare we see in America is just a world symptom. Because as we know, Klaus (we miss you) + testify it is a global theme. What i mean by my wise-crack is merely that i think it is of good tension to have faces rubbed into both concerns...are things increasing naturally indicative of the end? Or is it just a lot of false flags performed by the deep state system? I guess one question there might be: "Might the increasing weather systems be related to false flags as part of what could be noted in prophecy rolling out in such a way?"

The one good thing alarmists bring to the table is, some preach end times from hallucinations. Not great press. And perhaps a staple to hold us in check (granting the world opportunities to see it either way). But if things are exaggerated, it can actually help bring attention where there is none. How did i become interested in end times? I would be like the least likely to care. It was the following:

• Nibiru ending the world daily
• The Mandella Effect
• Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan was reported in 2017 to be a faith healer. Some called him (g)od.

So guess which of the three actually made me literally ask out loud to God, "Lord, is it end times or something?"

 

[TCC]

I tend to lean much farther toward Lee's position.

Des anyone know Lee's take on COVID? This is a great example of a fake pandemic. Is that a birth pang?

. . . . .

So there is a story with this I am reminded of for fun...

There are those that see COVID and the jab as the first seal. I am sure some have run into that. So obviously this is not something i hold. But I asked those that did, "Pestilence is mentioned in the 4th seal, not the first. How can COVID as pestilence be the first seal?" The answer was four horseman fold:

1) That the seals all come at the same time, but wait, there was another view...
2) That the fourth seal is all the seals together because it mentions the other previous seals in that seal (like famine), but that was too confused for me...
3) Then the kicker...

The first seal is COVID as pestilence because the 1st seal is all four. AND, or...BUT, rather (lol) the first seal is a fake pandemic.

To which i asked: "Ok, so what you are saying is the 1st seal is a fake pandemic?" To which the answer was: "The first seal is a false tribulation bringing a fake pandemic." The next day I became a preterist...lol. Not really. Just in fun. But that above conversation did occur along the way. That COVID was a birth pang and first seal demonstrating a false apocalypse. lol. So if that person was female, single, and the right type, i'd offer a marriage proposal right on the spot. Life with that soul would be wild.

. . . . .

PS -- in all seriousness, I do see COVID as the day the world stood still. And that it was the biggest worldwide attention grabber for end times i think. A supersized birth pang like a huge neon sign flashing to wake up ya'll -- you are not in Kansas anymore. But it would be good to know does Lee consider COVID a false flag or a birth pang? Because i would say it's theme was epic bringing us into the table of contents we find ourselves in today. So i would be curious to know Lee's perspective if anyone knows. Blessings.

 

[TCC]

Is it just me? Every major forest fire, flood, and hurricane is now a sign of the times? I simply cannot enter into this.

If forest fires, floods, and hurricanes were to explode in frequency and intensity to 2X their worst decade-long stretch in the past 200 years, then we would be significantly beyond the worst stretches in their historical cycles. Then we would be at all-time highs. Then we could consider that the fires, floods, and hurricanes we see might be the Braxton-Hicks birthpangs of the last days. But we are not at such record highs. What we see is still within the historical range. So why sensationalize normal (under the curse) weather patterns? This undue attention to insignificant things detracts from the real stage setting for the last days that is going on in the political, geo-political, technological, and economic arenas.

(We are not disputing that some urban-area fires appear to have deep-state shenanigans involved. That is a very different story.)

It seems to me that most of this sensationalizing is coming from folks that have been watchmen for less than a decade. They are new to this game. Those of us who have been watching for four, five, or six decades have a bit more experience under our belt and are less attracted to sensationalizing the headlines.

Folks, we profess to believe in literal interpretation, that is, in the historical-grammatical hermeneutic. This means we must pay attention to history. If we actually pay attention to history, then we will see that history is filled with floods, fires, and hurricanes that equal or surpass in death and destruction what we now see. The current decade is not the worst decade in history, much less significantly beyond the historical high-water marks. If we reject or mock this backward look at history, then we are rejecting the historical-grammatical hermeneutic, and we are, for all practical purposes, admitting that we love to operate in a spirit of sensationalizing and don't actually care whether the facts uphold or overthrow the message.

Folks, we need a revival of the historical-grammatical hermeneutic. This is what gave us dispensationalism, the pretrib rapture, and watching the signs of the times in the first place. If we allow looseness, sloppiness, and sensationalizing to dominate our ministries, then we are undermining the historical-grammatical hermeneutic. Then we are an inner-fifth column which weakens the camp of the truth by indulging in sensationalism and fantasies rather than reality. This always hurts the truth in the long run.

Soothkeep
Lee Brainard

I do a lot of clowning around sometimes. But thanks dear sister. This is a super valid point. I don't always side with Lee. But i think it is very important to keep in mind that there will be many who go off the rails with seeing so much. In one way though i think it is kind of cool though too that it kind of comes along with the territory. Meaning...there likely is a "territory." But as i mentioned in another post in this thread, it was actually the sensational that got my attention. One who would not seem interested in end times at all. Certain it was a hundred years away. So i am appreciative of the warning. Amen. Blessings.

 

[StephanMerm]

Oh boy
This newbie here is still trying to navigate through and figure out all the forum parts as well as all the great content ( which is awesome… but a lot )

So, regarding Lee and his particular sentiment about these “ end times” I also see on so many prophecy channels this over sensationalism of certain events, natural or otherwise. Personally, I lessened the amount of watching and listening to many of the “ watchman “ / end times warning channels because it gets a little bit crazy and get hyper focused , overwhelmed and maybe even head towards an obsession in that , daily life, responsibilities and such take a back seat resulting in an unhealthy and unbalanced mindset …
Like is every weather event a sign , or is a questionable decision by our government a shout out for the Antichrist to hurry on up and get this show on the road already ?

Prophecy has been a favorite of mine since I was a teenager ( and yes, that was a long time ago ) and we certainly shouldn’t stick our heads in the sand or turn a blind eye to the very interesting events swirling around us. Finding the proper balance , given it’s not always easy, is pretty important.

Also important ( maybe even more so ) is discernment. It’s likely none of us could be given the grandiose title of Mr. Ms. or Mrs. Discernment ….. a PhD know it all smarty pants kind of thing…. But we each may have some discernment, maybe some more than others , which can create an opportunity to dialogue and voice a concern or insight that someone else may not see , may have missed or didn’t know about…..
of course the goal in such an opportunity is to share something with fellow believers and be willing from both sides to hear each’s views and perspectives then remain respectful especially if not in agreement….

All that to finally say the following : ( I have no idea if this should be its own thread , so bear with me and guide me accordingly if so)

I used to watch Lee and I respect much if his views. However, a year or so ago I stumbled across an interview he did with Alan Didio .. this man is involved not just in the NAR , but has claimed God directly speaking to him and trips to heaven. Lee was confronted by many of his viewers and even by a few of those in his inner circle about this interview.

It came to be that he chose to defend this interview, his friendship with Didio and made the decision to keep the interview on YouTube.
Being me , I spoke up in the comments and asked for accountability…. A few days later , I saw that Zac from Wretched Watchmen was interviewing Lee and I pointed out the recent concerns of the Didio interview….. how can we tune in and take advice / biblical knowledge/ wisdom and listen to someone who just did an interview with a known false teacher and honestly a heretic?
Zac informed me that he personally spoke to Lee when he saw him do the Didio interview and Zac decided to brush it off and let it go. He went ahead and had Lee on his show anyway. The irony is Zac had done shows about the NAR , 7 Mountains and such specifically exposing Alan Didio and his ties to these unbiblical movements.
Fast forward …. Tom Hughes , who I also had respected and watched his Hope for Our Times , then went on to also do an interview with Didio. Tom removed the video because of backlash and requests for accountability.

However, to much amazement, Tom did a second interview from Israel not too long after removing the first one , WITH DIDIO again.

Some of you may remember me from before and if not , maybe this long rant , I mean reply might jar your memory of me as that “ passionate “ , overthinking, can of worms opener , talks too much , what’s she even talking about forum member ….

Yep, that’s still me …. And to wrap this up, with maybe a not so nice bow but must reiterate that we are all fallible, at risk for lacking discernment and can cause confusion when “ speaking out of both sides of the mouth “ if you will.

Many of these people, like Lee , are knowledgeable and are biblically sound on many issues and on many levels… but are not immune to being deceived , misled or misinformed, as any of us could be…. So put scripture above any man , pray for discernment, be willing to share concerns , speak up about a supposed red flag and strive for proper perspective ( which includes going overboard and
possibly “ drowning “ on the assumed plethora of signs of the end as Lee accurately warned of doing )

if you made it through to the end and have remained headache free. …. Thank you

 

[Spartan Sprinter]

Oh boy
This newbie here is still trying to navigate through and figure out all the forum parts as well as all the great content ( which is awesome… but a lot )

So, regarding Lee and his particular sentiment about these “ end times” I also see on so many prophecy channels this over sensationalism of certain events, natural or otherwise. Personally, I lessened the amount of watching and listening to many of the “ watchman “ / end times warning channels because it gets a little bit crazy and get hyper focused , overwhelmed and maybe even head towards an obsession in that , daily life, responsibilities and such take a back seat resulting in an unhealthy and unbalanced mindset …
Like is every weather event a sign , or is a questionable decision by our government a shout out for the Antichrist to hurry on up and get this show on the road already ?

Prophecy has been a favorite of mine since I was a teenager ( and yes, that was a long time ago ) and we certainly shouldn’t stick our heads in the sand or turn a blind eye to the very interesting events swirling around us. Finding the proper balance , given it’s not always easy, is pretty important.

Also important ( maybe even more so ) is discernment. It’s likely none of us could be given the grandiose title of Mr. Ms. or Mrs. Discernment ….. a PhD know it all smarty pants kind of thing…. But we each may have some discernment, maybe some more than others , which can create an opportunity to dialogue and voice a concern or insight that someone else may not see , may have missed or didn’t know about…..
of course the goal in such an opportunity is to share something with fellow believers and be willing from both sides to hear each’s views and perspectives then remain respectful especially if not in agreement….

All that to finally say the following : ( I have no idea if this should be its own thread , so bear with me and guide me accordingly if so)

I used to watch Lee and I respect much if his views. However, a year or so ago I stumbled across an interview he did with Alan Didio .. this man is involved not just in the NAR , but has claimed God directly speaking to him and trips to heaven. Lee was confronted by many of his viewers and even by a few of those in his inner circle about this interview.

It came to be that he chose to defend this interview, his friendship with Didio and made the decision to keep the interview on YouTube.
Being me , I spoke up in the comments and asked for accountability…. A few days later , I saw that Zac from Wretched Watchmen was interviewing Lee and I pointed out the recent concerns of the Didio interview….. how can we tune in and take advice / biblical knowledge/ wisdom and listen to someone who just did an interview with a known false teacher and honestly a heretic?
Zac informed me that he personally spoke to Lee when he saw him do the Didio interview and Zac decided to brush it off and let it go. He went ahead and had Lee on his show anyway. The irony is Zac had done shows about the NAR , 7 Mountains and such specifically exposing Alan Didio and his ties to these unbiblical movements.
Fast forward …. Tom Hughes , who I also had respected and watched his Hope for Our Times , then went on to also do an interview with Didio. Tom removed the video because of backlash and requests for accountability.

However, to much amazement, Tom did a second interview from Israel not too long after removing the first one , WITH DIDIO again.

Some of you may remember me from before and if not , maybe this long rant , I mean reply might jar your memory of me as that “ passionate “ , overthinking, can of worms opener , talks too much , what’s she even talking about forum member ….

Yep, that’s still me …. And to wrap this up, with maybe a not so nice bow but must reiterate that we are all fallible, at risk for lacking discernment and can cause confusion when “ speaking out of both sides of the mouth “ if you will.

Many of these people, like Lee , are knowledgeable and are biblically sound on many issues and on many levels… but are not immune to being deceived , misled or misinformed, as any of us could be…. So put scripture above any man , pray for discernment, be willing to share concerns , speak up about a supposed red flag and strive for proper perspective ( which includes going overboard and
possibly “ drowning “ on the assumed plethora of signs of the end as Lee accurately warned of doing )

if you made it through to the end and have remained headache free. …. Thank you

welcome to the forum, brother TCC you got some healthy competition with your posts

 

[Ghoti Ichthus]

Off-topic

Lee's going to be here for a Pastor training event at a locally-based ministry. Wish I could get a Pastor from one or both churches to go