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Catholic Church Finally Raises Jesus Above Mary

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Vatican Nixes Use of ‘Co-Redemptrix’ As Title for Mary​

From the article:

In this case, the expression ‘Co-redemptrix’ does not help extol Mary as the first and foremost collaborator in the work of Redemption and grace, for it carries the risk of eclipsing the exclusive role of Jesus Christ,” according to the doctrinal note, released Nov. 4.

Pope Leo XIV approved the document — signed by DDF prefect Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández — on Oct. 7.
 
Looks good on the surface (the exclusivity of Jesus part - NOT the part about Mary being a so-called collaborator, as she did NOT collaborate with God, but simply submitted to His call on her life,) but frankly I wonder what they are really up to. Especially with this current pope. Since when have they cared about the veneration of Mary and all of the confusion and heresy.
 
This is such an interesting development. Could be a ecumenical scheme but glad to hear they seem to be turning to the truth.

... Just on that one item. There's not much Truth in the catholic church.

Yes but aren't they supposed to listen to the Pope first above all? *maisey*

Only if his words align with one's preconceived notions... *maisey*
 
Well, looks like the new Pope wants to get closer to the Protestant denominations. He puts out a decree that firmly rejects the claim that Mary is Co-Redemptrix, is this really a turnaround or a 'false flag' operation as they say.

"Pope Leo Declares Jesus Alone Saved the World, Rejects Title of Mary as 'Co-Redeemer

A decree from Pope Leo's office firmly rejects the claim that Mary, Jesus' mother, helped save the world from damnation, settling a debate that has baffled the Catholic community by stating that Jesus alone redeemed humanity by his crucifixion and death.

In a lengthy note titled "Mater Populi Fidelis" or "Mother of the Faithful People of God," the Vatican's doctrinal office instructed Catholics to no longer give her the title of "co-redemptrix" or "co-redeemer" as it "carries the risk of eclipsing the exclusive role of Jesus Christ" as the Savior.

The October 7th document was approved by Pope Leo XIV and signed by Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández and says the previous title creates confusion to the "truths of the Christian faith."

"She is the mother who gave the world the author of redemption and of grace, who stood firm at the foot of the cross (cf. John 19:25), suffering alongside her son and offering the pain of her maternal heart pierced by the sword (cf. Luke 2:35)," the document said. "From the Incarnation to the cross and the Resurrection, she was united to Christ in a way that is unique and that far surpasses any other believer."

"Mary's incomparable greatness lies in what she has received and in her trusting readiness to allow herself to be overtaken by the Spirit," it continued.

The note claims that Mary was the first and perfect disciple of Jesus, according to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

(link: Mary, mother of Jesus and all believers, is not co-redeemer, Vatican says)

According to the Catholic News Agency, the title of "Co-redemptrix" has been a point of debate for decades, as some Catholics have called for Mary's "title" to be declared dogma, while opponents say it exaggerates her importance and could isolate Catholics amongst other Christian denominations.

The late Pope Francis also strongly opposed granting Mary the title of "co-redeemer," and according to Reuters, he suggested the idea was "foolishness." "She never wanted to take anything for herself from her son," Francis said in 2019.

Additionally, Benedict XVI, Francis' predecessor, also opposed the title. However, his predecessor, John Paul II, supported the title until the mid-90s when the doctrinal office began to voice skepticism.

"Everything comes from Him – Christ – as the Letter to the Ephesians and the Letter to the Colossians, in particular, tell us; Mary, too, is everything that she is through Him. The word 'Co-redemptrix' would obscure this origin," Benedict once said.

Fernández presented the document during a conference at the Jesuit headquarters in Rome last week and said its teaching becomes part of the church's "ordinary magisterium" and must be considered authoritative, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops reports.

"Any gaze directed at her that distracts us from Christ or that places her on the same level as the Son of God would fall outside the dynamic proper to an authentically Marian faith," the note said in part." Pope Leo Declares Jesus Alone Saved the World, Rejects Title of Mary as 'Co-Redeemer' | CBN News
This becomes another example of the Roman Catholic Church changing its teachings while leaving itself enough wiggle room to claim that it hasn't really changed; it only clarified. This should be sufficient evidence that its teachings are not from God. God doesn't need to clarify Himself or rewrite the past to fit current teachings.

The claim that the dead can interceed for the living contradicts the Scriptures. The dead are unaware of events on the earth (Ecclesiastes 9:5-6).

See "The Deification of Mary" for citations showing the extent the Catholic Church developed their ideas about Mary before rejecting them. At least in this change, the Roman Catholic Church moves a shade closer to the truth that pre-existed it.
--LaVista Church of Christ
 
Well, looks like the new Pope wants to get closer to the Protestant denominations.
I agree, but I have this feeling it is all part and parcel of their goal to get to the "coexist" stage.

The Pope tries to get the RCC doctrine to be more acceptable for the Protestants,
but at the same time he's doing exactly the same for the Muslims, the Pagans and the LGBTQ people.
Lo and behold, if he succeeds with all these people, the New World Religion is (almost) complete.

Thread 'Report: Vatican Grants Muslim Plea for Dedicated Prayer Room'
https://christiancommunityforum.com...-muslim-plea-for-dedicated-prayer-room.12414/

Thread 'Pope Leo Blessing Ice Sparks Anger: ‘Pagan Earth-Worship Ritual’'
https://christiancommunityforum.com...rks-anger-‘pagan-earth-worship-ritual’.12309/

Thread 'Pope Leo meets with James Martin, calls for welcoming LGBTQ Catholics days after radical trans attack on US Catholic school'
https://christiancommunityforum.com...cal-trans-attack-on-us-catholic-school.11865/
 
I agree, but I have this feeling it is all part and parcel of their goal to get to the "coexist" stage.

The Pope tries to get the RCC doctrine to be more acceptable for the Protestants,
but at the same time he's doing exactly the same for the Muslims, the Pagans and the LGBTQ people.
Lo and behold, if he succeeds with all these people, the New World Religion is (almost) complete.

Thread 'Report: Vatican Grants Muslim Plea for Dedicated Prayer Room'
https://christiancommunityforum.com...-muslim-plea-for-dedicated-prayer-room.12414/

Thread 'Pope Leo Blessing Ice Sparks Anger: ‘Pagan Earth-Worship Ritual’'
https://christiancommunityforum.com/threads/pope-leo-blessing-ice-sparks-anger-‘pagan-earth-worship-ritual’.12309/

Thread 'Pope Leo meets with James Martin, calls for welcoming LGBTQ Catholics days after radical trans attack on US Catholic school'
https://christiancommunityforum.com...cal-trans-attack-on-us-catholic-school.11865/
You are hitting the nail on the head, lets see when the world wakes up and sees who its following.......
 
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